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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #560 on: October 3, 2021, 06:57:10 pm »
FIFA 22 is the best FIFA in ages too just to rub things in.

What’s different about this new one to last years? I need my arm twisting to buy it.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #561 on: October 3, 2021, 08:27:35 pm »
What’s different about this new one to last years? I need my arm twisting to buy it.

Feels a bit more weighty, keepers can actually make saves now aswell.

Apart from that, not much.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #562 on: October 4, 2021, 10:58:10 am »
Will probably bite the bullet and get FIFA eventually. Eurgh.
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #563 on: October 4, 2021, 10:59:38 am »
Feels a bit more weighty, keepers can actually make saves now aswell.

Apart from that, not much.

Hmmmm. Might wait until a sale but the RAWK pro clubs is tempting  :)

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #564 on: October 4, 2021, 12:45:41 pm »
Will probably bite the bullet and get FIFA eventually. Eurgh.
Same. I get it most years but still feels a bit dirty.

My worry is that, for all the good early praise it's getting (and I only play Career Mode), it's only ever a few updates away from being the same arcadey exploit-fest it's been for several years now.

£60 for the Series X Version feels steep too, is it even noticeably better than the previous gen version that's £10 cheaper?

I've some old games to trade in so might wander into town this weekend and see if I can knock it down to the £30 or so that I'd be okay with paying.
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #565 on: October 4, 2021, 12:53:48 pm »
Same. I get it most years but still feels a bit dirty.

My worry is that, for all the good early praise it's getting (and I only play Career Mode), it's only ever a few updates away from being the same arcadey exploit-fest it's been for several years now.

Yeah I saw a review that said that the pace has been slowed down and it feels like a more natural football game. But that this happened last year too, and loads of fans complained because they would rather have a 7-5 win online than grind out a 1-0 in career mode, and they caved and sped it up with the update.

Hope that doesn't happen this time.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #566 on: October 4, 2021, 01:07:01 pm »
Yeah I saw a review that said that the pace has been slowed down and it feels like a more natural football game. But that this happened last year too, and loads of fans complained because they would rather have a 7-5 win online than grind out a 1-0 in career mode, and they caved and sped it up with the update.

Hope that doesn't happen this time.
I've always wondered how much time and resource would actually need to go into offering two modes of gameplay, arcade and simulation. It sounds like we're of the same mind that we'd get more satisfaction from a realistic, hard fought 1-0 where one moment of quality breaks the deadlock, than scoring 5 worldies as you bang in 6 and ship 4 or 5 yourself from launched through balls.

Offer arcade, normal-ish gameplay massively sped up, skill moves with a higher frequency and success rate, long shots more likely to fly in etc. Then offer simulation, which is slower, weightier, tactics matter more and only the best players on the planet can pull off top skills and unbelievable goals with any consistency.
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #567 on: October 4, 2021, 01:09:34 pm »
I've always wondered how much time and resource would actually need to go into offering two modes of gameplay, arcade and simulation. It sounds like we're of the same mind that we'd get more satisfaction from a realistic, hard fought 1-0 where one moment of quality breaks the deadlock, than scoring 5 worldies as you bang in 6 and ship 4 or 5 yourself from launched through balls.

Offer arcade, normal-ish gameplay massively sped up, skill moves with a higher frequency and success rate, long shots more likely to fly in etc. Then offer simulation, which is slower, weightier, tactics matter more and only the best players on the planet can pull off top skills and unbelievable goals with any consistency.

Yeah 100%. Always preferred realism, hence PES over FIFA every time.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #568 on: October 4, 2021, 02:43:59 pm »
As a long time PES fan I have jumped ship this year and I have to say I’m pleasantly surprised. I have played recent ones round friends houses and the ball always seemed floaty but this seems to be a marked improvement. I can see myself scoring some screamers on this game.

Also the pre-game Anfield on the PS5 version is immense. 9 games into the season and I watch the whole thing through every time

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #569 on: October 4, 2021, 03:36:08 pm »
Back to Pro Evo/PES/ISS/Winning Eleven/eFootball chat...what is the intended release schedule now? Is this the final game, or is it a bit like when you get a demo and possibly a new-build of the game on release? Trying to cling to a bit of hope here...

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #570 on: October 4, 2021, 04:36:20 pm »
I think they’re releasing add ons to this game well into the new year (new modes, much needed patches etc) but nothing past that as far as I’m aware.

Unfortunately as a huge fan of the series in one guise or another for 20+ years (even won a major tournament in Manchester back in 06 on PES 5) this seemed like the last roll of the dice. They needed a six and got a one. I cannot seem how they recover from this

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #571 on: October 4, 2021, 07:51:48 pm »
Mad thing is they took a year off and claimed they were reworking a new next gen game on the Unreal Engine 5. We got this instead. What the fuck were they even doing in that time when they took a game that they had previous that wasn't too bad, and made it 10 times worse? They deserve to go bankrupt.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #572 on: October 4, 2021, 07:59:39 pm »
Mad thing is they took a year off and claimed they were reworking a new next gen game on the Unreal Engine 5. We got this instead. What the fuck were they even doing in that time when they took a game that they had previous that wasn't too bad, and made it 10 times worse? They deserve to go bankrupt.

I honestly thought they were cooking up something good with taking a year off. What a mess they made instead.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #573 on: October 5, 2021, 10:20:24 am »
Mad thing is they took a year off and claimed they were reworking a new next gen game on the Unreal Engine 5. We got this instead. What the fuck were they even doing in that time when they took a game that they had previous that wasn't too bad, and made it 10 times worse? They deserve to go bankrupt.

This is the biggest frustration for me - they've shot themselves in the foot massively (even before anyone played the game, the method of release raised questions from the outset).

  • PS2-gen: regarded as the best football title available
  • PS3-gen: first couple of releases were a disaster, alongside EA Sports getting their act together with FIFA
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  • PS5-gen: needed a simple release of a solid game in order to offer some reassurance that they know what they're doing.

At this stage - unless there's an impressive update due - I'm struggling to see how the series survives until the end of this current generation.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #574 on: October 5, 2021, 10:25:13 am »
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #575 on: October 5, 2021, 10:29:48 am »
Late to the party on this, is this game the new PES?  Or just a watered down, free to play version with the actual new game coming later?
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #576 on: October 5, 2021, 10:37:05 am »
It’s both. Somehow.
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #577 on: October 5, 2021, 10:37:50 am »
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #578 on: October 5, 2021, 10:40:06 am »
It’s remaining free to play, but the vast majority of additions haven’t yet been included and are being added as the year goes on. And you have to pay for some of this stuff, such as Master League.
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #579 on: October 5, 2021, 03:14:56 pm »
It’s remaining free to play, but the vast majority of additions haven’t yet been included and are being added as the year goes on. And you have to pay for some of this stuff, such as Master League.

Ah ok, so this game that's getting panned is still going to be the same engine as the main version when it's released?  That's not good.

Annoying, because PES has always felt so much more like football than FIFA has.
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #580 on: October 5, 2021, 03:44:32 pm »
Same engine but it’s still got things like new player animations to be added.

What they’ve been working on for the last two years, to release without them from the get go, I’ve no idea.
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #581 on: October 5, 2021, 06:21:30 pm »
You know, I can see what they are doing. It's transparent and insidious as fuck. They shat this shell of a mess out, the base, bare-bones resemblance of a game. Stripped of everything, and all of it taken from the previous title. It's the bare fucking minimum effort and it's free. So their thinking is that the game will somehow hold up for what they've give (because it's free) and it'll rope more people into it because it's a FTP GAAS bollocks and it worked for shit like Fortnight. Their thinking is that because it's free, more people will be willing to download it and give it a try, in the hope that some might like it, or more so in terms of percentage vs those that pay 50 or 60 quid for PES proper every year. So their user base expands. Then that's where they think they'll get their hooks in by releasing incremental updates, and offering paid for packs via microtransactions. Eventually, the game will end up resembling something of a fleshed out product, but you'll have paid an exorbitant about for it. This on top of all the other cosmetic microtransactional bollocks they'll be doing, hoping to make more money for something in the long haul for the same amount of effort it took them to make a full game. It's the mobile phone market model of doing things, and if there's evidence of this needed, take a look at Apples recent profits from their online market recently. It exceeds that of even the so called "AAA" domain on consoles and PC's. It's no wonder games are fucking shit these days, and it'll only get worse once they double down and start chasing that gravy train even harder thanks to Apple's results.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #582 on: October 5, 2021, 08:00:43 pm »
They've gone from using the fox engine to unreal 4 and I can only assume it's because they also want to crossover with mobile and console/pc.

A shame really as PES2021 seemed like a decent game, aside from the collision system which really needed alot of work and the impact that had on refereeing decisions, but definitely something they could of kept refining.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #583 on: October 6, 2021, 12:17:49 am »
Fortnight.

Fortnite got popular because it was a genuinely fun game to play and was very addictive and stayed popular because it was the only game I know of where you could turn pro and not need to be part of an org or go to lans so it was a lot more viable for kids to get good at.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #584 on: October 7, 2021, 05:18:08 pm »
The funny thing is some PES fans are so bloody loyal, even now you hear some trying to eke out interest in the new title, trying to hope Konami will somehow fix it!

Anyway it is Game Over, and the shit show has been spectacular. Still, there is a guy called Adam Bhatti (who I met a few times back in the day) who went from running PES podcasts in its heyday to then working for Konami, and now having to defend this incomplete demo as if something of worth has been released. Sad for him, oh well that's life...
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« Reply #585 on: October 8, 2021, 10:51:26 pm »
Fortnite got popular because it was a genuinely fun game to play and was very addictive and stayed popular because it was the only game I know of where you could turn pro and not need to be part of an org or go to lans so it was a lot more viable for kids to get good at.
The point stands. They are all trying to capture lightening in a bottle, not once, twice, but multiple times. Fornite always came across to me for what it is: a glorified hodgepodge of a game that was neither here nor there design wise, aimed at kids for the mobile market. It struck gold because it had a barely acceptable hook to it, which is more than you get with most of these GAAS shite games with even a massive licence like Marvel attached to it.

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« Reply #586 on: October 14, 2021, 03:18:30 am »
The point stands. They are all trying to capture lightening in a bottle, not once, twice, but multiple times. Fornite always came across to me for what it is: a glorified hodgepodge of a game that was neither here nor there design wise, aimed at kids for the mobile market. It struck gold because it had a barely acceptable hook to it, which is more than you get with most of these GAAS shite games with even a massive licence like Marvel attached to it.

I wish there was a game like fortnite around when I was a kid. I spent an unhealthy amount of time playing fifa which got me fuck all but at least with something like fortnite I would be capable of making money from home.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #587 on: October 26, 2021, 08:25:28 am »
I sprung a fiver for PESUniverse's latest database (competitions and kits for like every league)

well worth it












Where did you get it from mate? I can only see last year's on their website...
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #588 on: October 26, 2021, 09:11:17 pm »
Where did you get it from mate? I can only see last year's on their website...

It was in the silver hub, so fiver a year. Doesn't say outside of that annoyingly

their website is awkwards admittedly

I downloaded the 9.5 PS4/PS5 version (cause it's the same on PC!)

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« Reply #589 on: October 27, 2021, 01:08:03 am »
It was in the silver hub, so fiver a year. Doesn't say outside of that annoyingly

their website is awkwards admittedly

I downloaded the 9.5 PS4/PS5 version (cause it's the same on PC!)

Nice one mate, i'm all over that.
I can see a few folks in here saying they are switching to FIFA,but i just can't do it! PES diehard since 2001!

Give me new kits and up-to-date squads and i'll happily stay with PES2021, ta very much
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #590 on: October 27, 2021, 01:11:28 am »
I see Shaq is still there in your screenshot though... are the squads not updated?
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #591 on: October 27, 2021, 04:23:49 pm »
I see Shaq is still there in your screenshot though... are the squads not updated?

Konami mate, if you ordered a burger they've serve you a piece of crusty bread and tell you to wait for next year's update.
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« Reply #593 on: October 28, 2021, 04:20:09 pm »
Haha fucking hell.
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #594 on: October 28, 2021, 05:47:10 pm »
I see Shaq is still there in your screenshot though... are the squads not updated?

In PESUniverse Silver yeah it does, set my squad to the "default" now that data is in and it looks like this (ignore the name cut off on Bobby, they are scrolling!)



Ooof... good job you can edit these. Salah and Elliot need bumping for sure!
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #595 on: October 29, 2021, 03:10:51 pm »
In PESUniverse Silver yeah it does, set my squad to the "default" now that data is in and it looks like this (ignore the name cut off on Bobby, they are scrolling!)



Ooof... good job you can edit these. Salah and Elliot need bumping for sure!
Harvey's a CB now?
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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #596 on: October 29, 2021, 06:57:01 pm »
Harvey's a CB now?

Apparently he's got some stats in that position!

This is the "best" lineup according to the game. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh might not go with that lineup meself!

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« Reply #597 on: October 29, 2021, 11:55:11 pm »
Apparently he's got some stats in that position!

This is the "best" lineup according to the game. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh might not go with that lineup meself!

Had to google Koumetio, shamefully

It'll just be a quirk of how the file has been put together - Elliott will probably have been swapped back in to the squad in place of Kabak/Williams, and it's some sort of default setting.

Van Dijk, Matip/Konate, and Henderson come in in the game's interpretation of the 'best XI'. Plenty to have a dig at Konami about, but not that.

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Re: Pro Evolution Soccer Series
« Reply #598 on: November 5, 2021, 08:39:00 am »
Looks like this version is basically dead:


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« Reply #599 on: November 5, 2021, 08:55:36 am »
The only question is what were they thinking?
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