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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #120 on: January 24, 2014, 09:28:35 am »
Probably in the minority here but I'd love for us to be taken over by a rich sheikh. I know it's not ideal but how else we going to compete with Chelsea, City and Utd? The former two have bought their way to success and become massive clubs whereas we're still stuck trying to compete for fourth place with Spurs and Everton, losing our transfer targets to other teams in the process.

Got to play dirty sometimes, being all nice doesn't get you anywhere. And honestly doesn't matter how much money is pumped into the club, Liverpool FC will never lose its soul, even if we had our stadium renamed the Dunkin Donuts Center, we'd all call it Anfield.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #121 on: January 24, 2014, 09:33:00 am »
Can't wait for these sheikhs and shit to get bored with their shiny new toys and to have those nothing clubs back where they belong to.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #122 on: January 24, 2014, 09:35:56 am »
Can't wait for these sheikhs and shit to get bored with their shiny new toys and to have those nothing clubs back where they belong to.

Not going to happen. Not for a long time anyway.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #123 on: January 24, 2014, 10:41:27 am »
Probably in the minority here but I'd love for us to be taken over by a rich sheikh. I know it's not ideal but how else we going to compete with Chelsea, City and Utd? The former two have bought their way to success and become massive clubs whereas we're still stuck trying to compete for fourth place with Spurs and Everton, losing our transfer targets to other teams in the process.

Got to play dirty sometimes, being all nice doesn't get you anywhere. And honestly doesn't matter how much money is pumped into the club, Liverpool FC will never lose its soul, even if we had our stadium renamed the Dunkin Donuts Center, we'd all call it Anfield.

I imagine most would, certainly more than who'd care to admit it. Without investment maintaining a real title push is impossible - it's no surprise people are now starting to consider Arsenal title challengers again after the one summer they've splashed out £42m on one player. With FFP the game is still the same, it's going to take serious investment to expand stadiums and increase exposure for commercial deals to increase revenue and then spend more.

A club never loses it's soul, the fans make the club and they don't go away, contrary to what some people claim they'd do on here. That's just an empty comment that doesn't really mean anything. Look at Cardiff and Hull, you can change kit colours or club names and the fans might not like it, but they still turn up every week.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #124 on: January 24, 2014, 11:38:04 am »
I just don't understand why Qataris are giving away their people's money to France. FRANCE! France of all fucking countries.
Paris is one of the richest cities in the world.  It has plenty of culture and people want to live there.  It is also pretty much central, like London, so is an excellent location time zone wise.

Investing in the city's biggest club will prove to be worthwhile.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #125 on: January 24, 2014, 11:43:22 am »
I'm not.

Is a good, clean athlete jealous of the doped-up cheat who wins everything? Fans of these teams won't admit it, but deep down it will feel hollow. What have fans of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Bayern, Dortmund, Juventus, Inter, Milan, Ajax, got to feel jealous about? Any success these clubs will have in the future will feel so much sweeter because it's EARNED, not bought.

Fuck the cheats. Fuck Chelsea, City, Monaco, PSG, Anzhi Makhachkala and all the rest of them.



The success will only be sweeter for the likes of us if it actually happens - thats far from nailed on.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #126 on: January 24, 2014, 02:58:56 pm »
You can compete without a billionaire owner, lowballing on an agreed fee however is plain stupidity.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #127 on: January 24, 2014, 05:57:43 pm »
My largest concern for PSG is that their owners have showed no intention to make them self-sufficient, meaning that after the 2022 World Cup is done with and Qatar has had it's day in the football sun they could be in a very difficult situation. City aren't self-sufficient right now, but we are taking the right steps and there is a clear plan to move forward in this manner. Time will tell.

I hate the phrase 'the club has lost it's soul' - what does that even mean. As I fan, I was there 15 years ago, I'm there now, I will be there in 10 years regardless of what happens. Are you suggesting that I should walk away because of investment that means I get to enjoy some of the best players and football in the world? Sorry but I will take the fixtures against Barcelona rather than York. Telling yourself you'd walk away is just crazy, when you stick by your club through the shit times who in there right mind would walk away from the good. Football has been about investment long before it arrived at our door, and I dread to think what state we'd be in without it. I'm loving every minute.


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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #128 on: January 24, 2014, 06:07:01 pm »
We were a whisker from administration just over 3 years ago. We can compete with the steroid clubs by growing organically as a business and by doing more to exploit our name for all its worth. In my view LFC has failed to do that in the past and mustn't hesitate to do so in the future. We can only compete with the oil clybs with smart management at all levels and by being near perfect in all our dealings.

I will not sit around being envious of tinpot clubs like Chelsea, it is they who are envious of clubs like us hence why they are cheating to try and emulate us. But they're just embarrassingly fake.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #129 on: January 24, 2014, 09:15:01 pm »
We were a whisker from administration just over 3 years ago. We can compete with the steroid clubs by growing organically as a business and by doing more to exploit our name for all its worth. In my view LFC has failed to do that in the past and mustn't hesitate to do so in the future. We can only compete with the oil clybs with smart management at all levels and by being near perfect in all our dealings.

Before we were taken over, you were the third biggest gross spenders (behind Chelsea & United) and second biggest net spenders (behind Chelsea and way ahead of Spurs) over the first 16 years of the PL. Newcastle complete the list of the top five biggest spending clubs incidentally. But none of you, Spurs or Newcastle have won the PL and neither of the latter two have even come remotely close.

Arsenal, despite having spent a lot less than you, have finished above you pretty consistently (bar one season I think) since they themselves had a cash injection in 1994. Everton have spent even less and have done pretty well. As you say, it's not just about money but about being smart both on and off the field.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #130 on: January 24, 2014, 09:27:17 pm »
Before we were taken over, you were the third biggest gross spenders (behind Chelsea & United) and second biggest net spenders (behind Chelsea and way ahead of Spurs) over the first 16 years of the PL. Newcastle complete the list of the top five biggest spending clubs incidentally. But none of you, Spurs or Newcastle have won the PL and neither of the latter two have even come remotely close.

Arsenal, despite having spent a lot less than you, have finished above you pretty consistently (bar one season I think) since they themselves had a cash injection in 1994. Everton have spent even less and have done pretty well. As you say, it's not just about money but about being smart both on and off the field.

Yep and in those 16 years, we have a CL to show for it.

Ever tasted that?

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« Reply #131 on: January 24, 2014, 10:10:44 pm »
Yep and in those 16 years, we have a CL to show for it.

Ever tasted that?
Not yet. Just like you've never seen the PL trophy having spent £650m (in cash terms let alone real terms) over the last 21 years.

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« Reply #132 on: January 24, 2014, 10:13:19 pm »
Wow, this deal puts City to shame. They need to up their game.

Would be interesting to see what that French guy will do. I think that if it was only City doing this, they would have been send out of UCL next year, but with two French teams doing a City on steroids, I'll feel that UEFA will be more reserved in sanctions.
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« Reply #133 on: January 24, 2014, 10:14:33 pm »
Yep and in those 16 years, we have a CL to show for it.

Ever tasted that?

Hush hush, they have won the quadruple this year.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #134 on: January 24, 2014, 10:16:35 pm »
Hush hush, they have won the quadruple this year.
What you doing this weekend then mate? And the weekend of March 1st when we should be playing you but wil lbe at Wembley? Bet you were a Leeds fan the last time your domestic season ended this early.

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« Reply #135 on: January 24, 2014, 10:21:27 pm »
What you doing this weekend then mate? And the weekend of March 1st when we should be playing you but wil lbe at Wembley? Bet you were a Leeds fan the last time your domestic season ended this early.

Well, shit things happen, and this is a transition. Not as better as I would have wanted of course, and I am not convinced that we have the right man in charge of it (n fact, I don't think we have).

Saying that, the Blackburns of this life comes and go. And even if they don't go away, we always find a way to deal with them (see Chelsea). And despite you have spend more money than the GDP of China and US together in the last 5 years, we have won a lot more things than you. And even if we win only Emirates Cup in the next two decades, we'll have still more trophies than you.

In the grand scheme of things, you're a bit irrelevant, I am sure you realize that. Even if you somehow buy the UCL trophy (which is still a big if) you'll never have the respect of the true big clubs like Madrid, Barca, Bayern, United, Liverpool, Milan, Juve etc.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #136 on: January 24, 2014, 10:31:38 pm »
Not yet. Just like you've never seen the PL trophy having spent £650m (in cash terms let alone real terms) over the last 21 years.

Mate, seriously, I like you, but don't take the fucking piss eh. You've spent nearly that in just over four seasons, so it's as an unfair a comparison as you can get.
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« Reply #137 on: January 24, 2014, 10:32:46 pm »
Not yet. Just like you've never seen the PL trophy having spent £650m (in cash terms let alone real terms) over the last 21 years.

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« Reply #138 on: January 24, 2014, 11:46:34 pm »
Mate, seriously, I like you, but don't take the fucking piss eh. You've spent nearly that in just over four seasons, so it's as an unfair a comparison as you can get.
Sorry. don't want to be confrontational so let's get back on track.

We're dealing with a whole different set of issues in football these days than we've been used to. I was looking at some pictures of Maine Road the other day and noticed the advertising hoardings around the ground. The local paper, Ford dealer, TV rental company, scrap merchant, pub, etc. No doubt Anfield was the same. Now look at the list of 'Official Partners' of the big clubs. Companies half way across the world many of us have never heard of.

The Gulf states see themselves as a global hub and easily accessible from developed and rapidly developing countries and they want to promote themselves on a global stage. Compared to the Etihad deal, the Qatar deal with PSG is ridiculous but tourism is a hugely under-developed market in Qatar and significantly increasing revenue from it is one of the main priorities of the government there.

Emirates have benefitted hugely from their sponsorship of sports. I've seen a report that Qatar Airways have had a huge increase in brand recognition by sponsoring the weather report on Sky. With the World Cup coming up in 8 years, they'll have hotels built that have to be filled beyond that. That £160m is something like less than 1% of the total tourism development budget for the last few years. And one of the main things (if not the main thing) that's seen all over the world is Premier League & Champions League football. To be noticed, you've got to be consistently successful in these. You've become a global brand on the back of this and people who want to build brands have realised that this is the way to do it.

People like the Glazers, Stan Kroenke, Randy Lerner and FSG took the very American idea of building a portfolio of sporting brands and no doubt thought that by controlling costs while increasing revenue, they could have a nice profitable little stable of luxury brands. But that concept has been overtaken by those who are looking to make luxury brands of their countries and have the means to do that.

The game has been changing since 19th century owners like John Houlding saw the commercial potential of being able to exclusively sell the beer he brewed inside Anfield during games. (Please note that I'm not blaming him for the commercialisation of football, just trying to make the point that it was seen even then as a means to an end). Clubs (including City) paid the best players more than they were allowed to using various ruses up to and including illicit cash payments.

In my lifetime I've seen abolition of the minimum wage, the end of revenue sharing with the away club, the creation of PLC's and flotation of clubs on the stock market, paid directors, increasing commercialisation, wall-to-wall TV coverage, palyers being made millionaires and all the other stuff that we've come to hate but reluctantly accept. This concept of football as a branding for whole countries is just another of these things. FFP was almost certainly the quid-pro-quo the old G-14 demanded as the price for it disbanding and was meant to ensure that no more clubs could challenge the status quo (although sadly when they pulled the drawbridge up, you were still fighting a battle outside the castle walls). The trouble with rules though, however well meant, is that the more you try to stop people doing things, the more they'll try if they think the reward is worth it.

If football wants to find a sensible way of ensuring that owners can invest in clubs but on condition of making them self-sustaining and not burdened with excessive debt, and that competitions are genuinely as competitive as they can be then I'm right behind that. If, on the other hand, they just want to maintain a self-serving cartel then thing like this will happen.

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« Reply #139 on: January 25, 2014, 12:34:06 am »
Sorry. don't want to be confrontational so let's get back on track.

We're dealing with a whole different set of issues in football these days than we've been used to. I was looking at some pictures of Maine Road the other day and noticed the advertising hoardings around the ground. The local paper, Ford dealer, TV rental company, scrap merchant, pub, etc. No doubt Anfield was the same. Now look at the list of 'Official Partners' of the big clubs. Companies half way across the world many of us have never heard of.

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While we support rival clubs and our clubs are in complete different sides of the medal when it comes to FFP, I think that you have a point here. From the first moment to me FFP, looked like a way to ensure that the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer. It isn't ideal, but the only way for a club like West Ham at the moment to compete for a trophy is to win the lottery (no offense here) i.e to be bought by a very rich man. Maybe there might be an exception in a decade or two, a normal club who will go to top because of hard work and so but chances for that are extremely low.

Saying that, I don't completely agree with what City/Chelsea/PSG/Monaco have done. It is very unfair on other clubs, and while it was nice from a neutral point of view to see Chelsea/City becoming good, that in some (un)fair way punished the likes of Arsenal/Liverpool/Spurs and possibly even Everton.

I think that there should be something in middle. Maybe allowing owners who buy new clubs to invest as much money as they want for a few years and then gradually reducing that spending for a few years. Also, I think even more important is to ensure that those clubs will not suffer (like Portsmouth) if the owner get problems or just decides to leave. Like for example forcing him to put as much money as he transfers in a blocked bank account, that if he leaves, the club will survive. I think that the most important part is to ensure that the clubs ultimately won't die because of their owners. But also, I would like to see a way of blocking the owners from spending 200m consistently each way because it makes the competition very unfair for the others. Doing so though, it would be important to find a way to ensure that the clubs will have a chance to go in top somehow. Be it letting the owners invest for a few years (like Chelsea did who know are capable of passing FFP) or sharing the money from TV deal and UCL in a completely uniforms way. Big clubs like United wouldn't like that, but you have to give something.

No one wants (heck likely not even United fans) to see United win the title every year (which could happen if there isn't outside money in football) but no-one wants to see a league where every club will be a shiny toy of a man who doesn't have any idea for football. There should be something in middle IMO.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #140 on: January 25, 2014, 02:12:59 am »
No one wants (heck likely not even United fans) to see United win the title every year (which could happen if there isn't outside money in football)

I kind of see this problem with the Bundesliga.  The fact that no one can come in, flash the cash, and fully control the club is interesting.  I like everything about the structure except Bayern are so big that you may actually need sugar daddies just to compete with them on a consistent basis.  Dortmund was a great story and still could be, but they're just not big enough to compete with Bayern.

Maybe if you had the German model in the French league (before PSG and Monaco), you'd have a financially sound competitive league every year.  Even then, the bigger French clubs who generate more revenue (OM, Lyon) would start to pull away, but at least you don't have these crazy scenarios like we currently do.

Fans of other sports, particularly American sports, advocate salary caps and transfer caps in football.  The problem is the sheer number of leagues.  It's easy to have a salary cap in the NFL (especially with 32 franchises) but how do you pull that off in football?  Something like a 50MM cap in UEFA on transfers would be laughable for some leagues (if some rich Dutch fella wants AZ Alkmaar to win the next 25 Eredivisie titles, he can still do that).  A dynamic cap system based on league prestige wouldn't work either as the inferior leagues would be furious that even if they have the money, they have a lower limit than teams in other leagues.  I don't know, maybe someone can convince some system like that can work, but I'm skeptical.
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« Reply #141 on: January 25, 2014, 02:58:34 am »
Not yet. Just like you've never seen the PL trophy having spent £650m (in cash terms let alone real terms) over the last 21 years.

The European Cup is where a clubs name is made. Not a national league championship.

It's the biggest club competition in the world, and we won it in 2005.


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« Reply #142 on: January 25, 2014, 03:46:37 am »
Break away from the the sugar daddy's, form a breakaway league where clubs spend within their means, lower prices for real fans. I'd be happy in the Championship. Fan ownership should be mandatory. Let Abramovich and the greatest owner in the World have a reach around every week.
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« Reply #143 on: January 25, 2014, 03:53:32 am »
But the question nobody is asking, do they have an official doughnut? I bet not. I doubt they even have an official croissant.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #144 on: January 25, 2014, 04:06:37 am »
This is turning into just a general talk about billionaire owners. Man City won't win the Champions League any time soon, you need to develop a knack for it. Took Chelsea nearly 10 years and 10 more worth of luck to do it.
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« Reply #145 on: January 25, 2014, 04:15:01 am »
Not yet. Just like you've never seen the PL trophy having spent £650m (in cash terms let alone real terms) over the last 21 years.
If you honestly dont see the difference in spending money you earn and money that some random middle eastern thug pumps into a club there is now reasoning with you.
Yes Liverpool has spend a lot of money over the years(and unfortunately a lot of it wasted and horrific transfers), but Liverpool has earned a lot of money over the years with on field success,huge world wide support and there for bigger sponsorship deal and commercial revenues, not to mention countless deep CL runs(some wins and finals appearances in there as well if im not mistaken  ;)).

Yes our owners(current and past) have lend us money and made cash injections into the club(to the sums of 10s of millions even!).
But thats a far cry from taking average clubs like Chelsea,City,Monaco and PSG with limited past success, on field and off and throwing billions of pounds at them just for fun.

Spin it any way you like, Liverpool,Manchester and Arsenal(and even Everton and to certain degrees Newcastles) have earned there statuses as big clubs capable of big spending, City and Chelsea have not, You bought it, or rather you where given it by dictators and oligarchs

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« Reply #146 on: January 25, 2014, 09:32:28 pm »

Fans of other sports, particularly American sports, advocate salary caps and transfer caps in football.  The problem is the sheer number of leagues.  It's easy to have a salary cap in the NFL (especially with 32 franchises) but how do you pull that off in football?  Something like a 50MM cap in UEFA on transfers would be laughable for some leagues (if some rich Dutch fella wants AZ Alkmaar to win the next 25 Eredivisie titles, he can still do that).  A dynamic cap system based on league prestige wouldn't work either as the inferior leagues would be furious that even if they have the money, they have a lower limit than teams in other leagues.  I don't know, maybe someone can convince some system like that can work, but I'm skeptical.
Maybe putting a cap on transfers of players whose nationality is different from the country of the club who is buying them? ie. if an English club wants to buy some Spanish superstar, they can't offer silly money. Same goes for a French club that wants an English player etc. That way, the mega-rich clubs cannot suck in the talent from across Europe and have an incentive to develop and promote home-grown players.

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« Reply #147 on: January 25, 2014, 09:33:35 pm »
Maybe putting a cap on transfers of players whose nationality is different from the country of the club who is buying them? ie. if an English club wants to buy some Spanish superstar, they can't offer silly money. Same goes for a French club that wants an English player etc. That way, the mega-rich clubs cannot suck in the talent from across Europe and have an incentive to develop and promote home-grown players.

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« Reply #148 on: January 25, 2014, 09:37:21 pm »
EU will nuke that in a heartbeat.
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« Reply #149 on: January 25, 2014, 09:38:34 pm »
Yeah. Human rights violations :)

EU law allows free movement of trade between member states.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #150 on: January 25, 2014, 09:45:50 pm »
EU law allows free movement of trade between member states.
It was sarcasm

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #151 on: January 25, 2014, 11:50:46 pm »
Why exactly clubs like City and PSG should get punished? Their owners want to invest their own money into the clubs. It is not like they are taking loans against the clubs.

Inflation for one.  A level playing field for two.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #152 on: January 26, 2014, 09:06:24 pm »

185 died last year building the World Cup stadiums.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/24/qatar-2022-world-cup-185-nepalese-workers-died-2013

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Fuck a whole nation? You serious here? I am actually surprised that no one has even batted an eye lid at such a disgraceful comment.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #153 on: January 26, 2014, 09:52:19 pm »
Fuck a whole nation? You serious here? I am actually surprised that no one has even batted an eye lid at such a disgraceful comment.

Probably says more about yourself then, rather than everybody else who understood it was a rant at the people in charge of the country. Those that plough millions of their country's resources into the pockets of foreign footballers instead of into the pockets of those actually building the country. The people who are killing poor workers with what amounts to modern day slavery and obviously not the average bloke in the street. Just to clarify for you.

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« Reply #154 on: January 26, 2014, 10:14:24 pm »
Probably says more about yourself then, rather than everybody else who understood it was a rant at the people in charge of the country. Those that plough millions of their country's resources into the pockets of foreign footballers instead of into the pockets of those actually building the country. The people who are killing poor workers with what amounts to modern day slavery and obviously not the average bloke in the street. Just to clarify for you.

 Even if others did take it the way you intended it to be taken does not excuse you from the fact that you said "fuck" a nation without even qualifying such a bold statement with the above explanation. Others on this thread and (other) threads have criticised the ruling family, monarch, owner or Sovereign fund when voicing their anger aimed at PSG, Man City etc...  Why can't you do the same ? When making such a sweeping statement which could potentially be deemed offensive to a whole nation do you not deem that necessary? You are right it does say a lot more about myself for the reasons aforementioned.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #155 on: January 27, 2014, 12:09:42 am »
Even if others did take it the way you intended it to be taken does not excuse you from the fact that you said "fuck" a nation without even qualifying such a bold statement with the above explanation. Others on this thread and (other) threads have criticised the ruling family, monarch, owner or Sovereign fund when voicing their anger aimed at PSG, Man City etc...  Why can't you do the same ? When making such a sweeping statement which could potentially be deemed offensive to a whole nation do you not deem that necessary? You are right it does say a lot more about myself for the reasons aforementioned.

Well i've now explained my comment to the only person who took offence at it, which is yourself, so why are you still going on? You're making a fuss over nowt mate.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #156 on: January 27, 2014, 12:17:12 am »
Even if others did take it the way you intended it to be taken does not excuse you from the fact that you said "fuck" a nation without even qualifying such a bold statement with the above explanation. Others on this thread and (other) threads have criticised the ruling family, monarch, owner or Sovereign fund when voicing their anger aimed at PSG, Man City etc...  Why can't you do the same ? When making such a sweeping statement which could potentially be deemed offensive to a whole nation do you not deem that necessary? You are right it does say a lot more about myself for the reasons aforementioned.

I agree with him. He is not saying he hates all Qatari people, and that's quite obvious. He clearly means the corrupt and brutal Qatari authorities because it's in context with the discussion. You're just looking to take offence for some strange reason.

Back on (sort of) topic, I wonder what PSG think of Monaco and their tax situation? The top-rate tax in France is very high, not in Monaco.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #157 on: January 27, 2014, 12:20:38 am »
Fuck a whole nation? You serious here? I am actually surprised that no one has even batted an eye lid at such a disgraceful comment.

 He was clearly referring to the powers that be within Qatar. Seeing as they are corrupt slave-drivers buying their way to global prestige while choking their own people, saying fuck them seems pretty mild to me. Double fuck 'em, the fuckers.
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« Reply #158 on: January 27, 2014, 02:40:11 pm »
He was clearly referring to the powers that be within Qatar. Seeing as they are corrupt slave-drivers buying their way to global prestige while choking their own people, saying fuck them seems pretty mild to me. Double fuck 'em, the fuckers.

The powers that be are a disgrace and have used the biggest PR campaigns to attempt to cover up their complete disregard for human rights of foreign labourers. In fairness to them they are good at protecting their own people (unless of course you go against them like that poet who was imprisoned for life for writing a poem which was considered a national security issue...).

Back on topic though as I explained above the real issues is to do with related partied. People have argued in the past that in the same way that Etihad is a separate entity to Sheikh Mansoor and his close immediate family, QSI is separate to the QTA, which simply isn't true as they both have the same shareholders (the Royal family). For example if you are an athlete in Qatar and you are looking to get sponsorship from one of these institutions the CEO will not be authorised to give you around 20 thousand pounds unless he gets permission from the Emir, to me that sounds like a restriction on the powers of the CEO by the shareholder... It's embarrassing.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #159 on: January 27, 2014, 03:51:14 pm »
Back on topic though as I explained above the real issues is to do with related partied. People have argued in the past that in the same way that Etihad is a separate entity to Sheikh Mansoor and his close immediate family
The concept of related parties is relatively closely defined in the relevant accounting standard (IAS 24, which is the one used for FFP) and is about the issue of control. This basically means shareholdings or executive control of an entity. State-owned entities were originally excluded from IAs 24 but it was extended about 10 years ago to cover transactions between state-owned entities, which have to be disclosed as related party transactions. But Manchester City is legally privately-owned not state-owned and Sheikh Mansour does not have any legal connection or executive power within Etihad. He's not on the board, either in an executive or non-executive capacity and "close family members" does not usually include half-brothers.