Topic: Preview: West Brom v Liverpool. Premier League. 21/4/18 12.30

[accyred]

Won’t be easy as they’ve proved twice against us they can get upmfor the big games ....

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

I don't know where to put this, but Klopp talking about his future and not planning to stay long in football, to me it feels like a cold shower.

[sms1986]

I don't know where to put this, but Klopp talking about his future and not planning to stay long in football, to me it feels like a cold shower.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=329050.msg15994257#msg15994257 has some discussion on it. I agree with him staying until his current contract ends, he'll want to see it out.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I don't know where to put this, but Klopp talking about his future and not planning to stay long in football, to me it feels like a cold shower.

He's been saying that for years. It's nothing new.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

He's been saying that for years. It's nothing new.

It's not exactly music to my ears.

[sinnermichael]

Sounds like Ings, Moreno, Klavan and Gomez are all starting instead of Firmino, Robertson, Lovren and Trent.

[RedSince86]

Sounds like Ings, Moreno, Klavan and Gomez are all starting instead of Firmino, Robertson, Lovren and Trent.

Is that from the guy who's been getting the team sheets perfect the last few games?

[Caston]

Is that from the guy who's been getting the team sheets perfect the last few games?

Yep

Karius, Gomez, Van Dijk, Klavan, Moreno, Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Ings.

[David Struhme]

Yep

Karius, Gomez, Van Dijk, Klavan, Moreno, Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Ings.

Would have liked to see Clyne in at right back and Gomez CB ahead of VVD. I'd have also rested Salah and played Solanke. Very strong side though, fingers crossed for no injuries.

[JackWard33]

Yep

Karius, Gomez, Van Dijk, Klavan, Moreno, Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Ings.

No chance that’s right - Klopp doesn’t rest players before big games

[BabuYagu]

Would have liked to see Clyne in at right back and Gomez CB ahead of VVD. I'd have also rested Salah and played Solanke. Very strong side though, fingers crossed for no injuries.

Salah wants to win the golden boot and also beat Rush's record of 47 in a season. He'll want to play every minute of every game and, unless there is a medical concern to rest him, he will likely do so.

In terms of his groin, he must be fine now. And in terms of accumulated fatigue, he hasn't been working much off the ball compared to Mane and Firmino which should save his legs. Plus will have had a full weeks rest, and has only played ~500 minutes for us and Egypt in the last 40 days - which equates to about 5,4 games in 5,7 weeks. He likely doesn't need a rest and actually for a player like Salah, regular playing to keep his form up is likely better for him than resting for big games.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Would have liked to see Clyne in at right back and Gomez CB ahead of VVD. I'd have also rested Salah and played Solanke. Very strong side though, fingers crossed for no injuries.

Clyne is injured

[deFacto please, you bastards]

It's not exactly music to my ears.

Not sure why you thought he would be staying here past 7 years

[killer-heels]

Yep

Karius, Gomez, Van Dijk, Klavan, Moreno, Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Ings.

Have to say that line up has made me more nervous for the game if its true. Was hoping we would go full strength.

[killer-heels]

Would have liked to see Clyne in at right back and Gomez CB ahead of VVD. I'd have also rested Salah and played Solanke. Very strong side though, fingers crossed for no injuries.

You do know that we still need some points? Solanke and Ings were very poor against Everton but now we should play them again and risk more dropped points?

Also play Gomez against a very physical Rondon would be crazy.

[BabuYagu]

You do know that we still need some points? Solanke and Ings were very poor against Everton but now we should play them again and risk more dropped points?

Also play Gomez against a very physical Rondon would be crazy.

You are only looking at risk from one perspective though. What about the risk of needing the likes of Gomez, Ings, Moreno, Klavan, etc to play in an important game but they aren't match sharp because we chose not to play them against West Brom opting instead to go full strength.

[Purple Red]

We still need a few points to tie up fourth so I would go as strong as possible in this one.

[JackWard33]

Have to say that line up has made me more nervous for the game if its true. Was hoping we would go full strength.

That line up is a huge favorite to win the game
Which West Brom player gets in that starting eleven?

[killer-heels]

You are only looking at risk from one perspective though. What about the risk of needing the likes of Gomez, Ings, Moreno, Klavan, etc to play in an important game but they aren't match sharp because we chose not to play them against West Brom opting instead to go full strength.

Maybe, but we could guarantee top four this week if we beat West Brom and Stoke. That would give us Chelsea and Brighton to build up any fitness if we hopefully need them in the CL final we are obviously making.

Of course there is the risk that they could get injured tomorrow and we need these fringe players against Roma. But I would not be keen for us to be needing to go to both Chelsea and Brighton needing something to get top four.

[killer-heels]

That line up is a huge favorite to win the game
Which West Brom player gets in that starting eleven?

Come on JackWard you know it doesnt always work like that.

[JackWard33]

Come on JackWard you know it doesnt always work like that.

Our team is better than their team and we’ll be favourite to win it.
Your posts read like you don’t believe we can win without our entire first team ?

[BabuYagu]

Maybe, but we could guarantee top four this week if we beat West Brom and Stoke. That would give us Chelsea and Brighton to build up any fitness if we hopefully need them in the CL final we are obviously making.

Of course there is the risk that they could get injured tomorrow and we need these fringe players against Roma. But I would not be keen for us to be needing to go to both Chelsea and Brighton needing something to get top four.

This is where the expression hope for the best, plan for the worst comes in.

What if you go full strength and get injuries. You then have squad players who aren't match fit who are off the pace in the key CL semi's or against Chelsea. What if you go full strength and lose points anyway, when do you give the fringe players minutes then?

Given recent injuries to Lovren, Robertson and the work load of Firmino & Trent in recent games, that is arguable as full strength as you can go without taking unnecessary risks in terms of players we may be needing a rest to properly get over little knocks or prevent accumulative fatigue getting into dangerous levels.

The question is would you rather that lineup faces West Brom or Roma?

[killer-heels]

Our team is better than their team and we’ll be favourite to win it.
Your posts read like you don’t believe we can win without our entire first team ?

I always believe we can win but I am naturally pessimistic when playing these sorts of sides. I felt it would be a tough game even at full strength so if we go a bit weaker then i think it could be even more tricky.

To be honest most of the side is fine its just Ings where I have the concern. Thus far he hasnt looked good at all.

[killer-heels]

This is where the expression hope for the best, plan for the worst comes in.

What if you go full strength and get injuries. You then have squad players who aren't match fit who are off the pace in the key CL semi's or against Chelsea. What if you go full strength and lose points anyway, when do you give the fringe players minutes then?

Given recent injuries to Lovren, Robertson and the work load of Firmino & Trent in recent games, that is arguable as full strength as you can go without taking unnecessary risks in terms of players we may be needing a rest to properly get over little knocks or prevent accumulative fatigue getting into dangerous levels.

The question is would you rather that lineup faces West Brom or Roma?

Robertson and Lovren I can understand, particlularly the latter. Trent? Not so sure and the same with Firmino. Of course I know I am talking about this with zero sports science knowledge or information, I am just talking as an ordinary fan.

I can understand the risk like we took against Everton. But we did go full strength against Palace and looking back its a good job we did.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Have to say that line up has made me more nervous for the game if its true. Was hoping we would go full strength.

Errr bar Firmino, the side pretty much picks itself. That is the strongest possible side outside of Firmino.


Lovren has had issues, we need Robertson and his energy, and we also need Trent.

Not sure what you're complaining about

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I always believe we can win but I am naturally pessimistic when playing these sorts of sides. I felt it would be a tough game even at full strength so if we go a bit weaker then i think it could be even more tricky.

To be honest most of the side is fine its just Ings where I have the concern. Thus far he hasnt looked good at all.

So because Firmino isn't playing, it's the end of the world? Literally all of our other players have played a huge part in our season. You make it sound like we sent out u23.

[BabuYagu]

Robertson and Lovren I can understand, particlularly the latter. Trent? Not so sure and the same with Firmino. Of course I know I am talking about this with zero sports science knowledge or information, I am just talking as an ordinary fan.

I can understand the risk like we took against Everton. But we did go full strength against Palace and looking back its a good job we did.

But in that instance we hadn't played together in 2 weeks due to the international break. Playing them all together to get their head back into our system makes sense before a crucial game. Not to mention for the likes of Firmino & Trent, no accumulative fatigue issues are there because they weren't involved much or at all during the international break.

Sports science department largely dictate who can play, when and how many minutes. For a crucial game Klopp may be willing to push the line a little more, but he tends to put a lot of trust in those who advise him on their areas and is probably his biggest strength as a coach in my opinion.

[killer-heels]

But in that instance we hadn't played together in 2 weeks due to the international break. Playing them all together to get their head back into our system makes sense before a crucial game. Not to mention for the likes of Firmino & Trent, no accumulative fatigue issues are there because they weren't involved much or at all during the international break.

Sports science department largely dictate who can play, when and how many minutes. For a crucial game Klopp may be willing to push the line a little more, but he tends to put a lot of trust in those who advise him on their areas and is probably his biggest strength as a coach in my opinion.

Like I said I totally appreciate the sports science stuff and of course I am not trying to say that Klopp’s made a bad decision. Of course all this information affects the decision and he balances all this when choosing his side.

All I am saying is that I am just a bit concerned with this game so of course if you are that way then its hardly going to lessen the nerves if one of your best players is missing.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Like I said I totally appreciate the sports science stuff and of course I am not trying to say that Klopp’s made a bad decision. Of course all this information affects the decision and he balances all this when choosing his side.

All I am saying is that I am just a bit concerned with this game so of course if you are that way then its hardly going to lessen the nerves if one of your best players is missing.

Best players?

Robertson and Trent aren't our best players. Gomez and Moreno are more than good enough.

Firmino is important to us, but we still have Mane and Salah.

In other words get a grip.

[killer-heels]

Best players?

Robertson and Trent aren't our best players. Gomez and Moreno are more than good enough.

Firmino is important to us, but we still have Mane and Salah.

In other words get a grip.

Only issue for me is the huge drop off in quality between Ings and Firmino. The rest are fine.

[sms1986]

How come the guy who leaks the lineup has leaked it so early (if it is indeed the lineup)? Doesn't he normally only leak it a few hours before? It doesn't make any difference, but it's unusual as far as I can tell.

[markedasred]

Yep

Karius, Gomez, Van Dijk, Klavan, Moreno, Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Ings.

I hope this is wrong because we should not be helping West Brom by publishing this ahead of the game, it gives them an advantage. Sure it might only be a few percent, but games can be won and lost on tiny margins.

[sms1986]

I hope this is wrong because we should not be helping West Brom by publishing this ahead of the game, it gives them an advantage. Sure it might only be a few percent, but games can be won and lost on tiny margins.

It's happened many times before when we've won games, the opposition won't base their own lineup and tactics on something posted on Twitter even if it's 100% accurate every time.

[Dougle]

Have to say that line up has made me more nervous for the game if its true. Was hoping we would go full strength.

I am ok with it myself. Always (this season especially) liked Moreno so no problem there. Gomez has been solid for us. It also gives TTA a rest, Likewise Bobby out from starting 11. I prefer Ings (no goals) to Solanke (no goals) right now. Raggy Klavan also good to keep him in trim just in case Lovren gets a niggle.
It gives a few of the lads a much needed run out. All going well we should win. Never like playing WBA but has to be done. As with every game the first goal will be vital. The more we score the more likely we are to score again. A nippy 2-0 at half time, 3-0 at the end. Just score first.

[johnny74]

Jack seriously? How does it not matter? The amount of time between City and the derby was incredibly short for the players to fully recover, and to play them in another intense game[the derby] before playing City in midweek to follow again.

The amount of time before the game allows the players to fill prepare,rest and recover. What on earth are you on about?

Even though we play Roma on Tuesday, they still get enough time to recover, far more than we did against City. And while Roma will be difficult, it's very unlikely that they will play with the same intensity as City, non the less I don't expect this to be the same type of line up as we had against Everton

He will rest players if the fitness data suggests he needs to. As I understand it quite a few players will be missing for this one. Which is disappointing because these will be much tougher than Stoke and we also have Chelsea to play. Top 4 is not quite certain yet.

[thekitkatshuffler]

No chance that’s right - Klopp doesn’t rest players before big games

No chance that's right.  Except that it is.

[killer-heels]

He will rest players if the fitness data suggests he needs to. As I understand it quite a few players will be missing for this one. Which is disappointing because these will be much tougher than Stoke and we also have Chelsea to play. Top 4 is not quite certain yet.

Trent hasn’t played that much. Also Oxlade-Chamberlain has had a decent amount of rest as well.

I agree that this is much tougher than Stoke. Also if we think this run of games is tough then imagine how tough it’s going to be if we have to go to Chelsea to get something on the back of 2 Roma games, whilst Chelsea will be fresh from a full week off.

[Yorkykopite]

It wont be an easy game at all. They have seemed more confident in their past 2 games and they did play very well against us on both occasions.

Rodriguez will definitely cause us a problem and we have to ensure that Rondon doesnt do a ‘Lukaku’ style job on Lovren. Their defence will be a tough nut to crack as well.

Are you always so miserable?

Enjoy it. It’s footy. We’re Liverpool.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Trent hasn’t played that much. Also Oxlade-Chamberlain has had a decent amount of rest as well.

I agree that this is much tougher than Stoke. Also if we think this run of games is tough then imagine how tough it’s going to be if we have to go to Chelsea to get something on the back of 2 Roma games, whilst Chelsea will be fresh from a full week off.

What do you mean he hasn't played that much? He's played practically every game since Gomez has been injured consecutively apart from the derby, and he's put in a lot of energy in all of the matches.

You are an absolute weirdo at times when it comes to certain things in regards to this side.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

He will rest players if the fitness data suggests he needs to. As I understand it quite a few players will be missing for this one. Which is disappointing because these will be much tougher than Stoke and we also have Chelsea to play. Top 4 is not quite certain yet.

The changes made are not an abomination. We still have the vast majority of our best players playing [Van Dijk,Henderson,Mane,Salah]

Gomez and Moreno have played a part this season and they played well for the most part. Klavan has made a contribution as well, in fact he's been better than Matip this year.

This is a stronger side than we put up against Everton.