Topic: Daniel Sturridge

[WhereAngelsPlay]

If he has a good run I would like to see the 'Spuper Dan' chant brought back.

Murphy doesn't deserve it.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Interesting to hear to the story about the beef between him and Carra.

We'd all assumed that he was off this summer, Sturbridge doesn't seem to have assumed that at all...

We'd all assumed? Does that include the people who assumed he would stay? Or is that more like a prediction or less of an assumption? Does not compute...

[deadsetred]

Can see him being effective if fit and playing with our full strength lineup, with Coutinho and Lallana in central positions and Mane and Salah out wide. We wouldn't rely on his pressing so much and teams wouldn't be able to comfortably sit back against us... he could thrive. Still expect Firmino to start mind you.

[Mr_Shane]

Is he staying then?

Imagine we are chasing a goal, throw Sturridge on for a midfielder or a defender, let players like Firmino, Salah and Man harass defenders and tell sturridge go into the penalty box, and wait for opportunities which will almost certainly come.

We know Coutinho can find him from midfield, and if Salah can provide assists for Dzeko, he should be able to do the same for Sturridge 

[deadsetred]

Is he staying then?

Imagine we are chasing a goal, throw Sturridge on for a midfielder or a defender, let players like Firmino, Salah and Man harass defenders and tell sturridge go into the penalty box, and wait for opportunities which will almost certainly come.

We know Coutinho can find him from midfield, and if Salah can provide assists for Dzeko, he should be able to do the same for Sturridge

We also need an out and out finisher for the CL I feel - a big game player. Not too many in the squad capable of pulling a goal out of his ass from nowhere, i.e. the Sturridge goal against Seville.

[red1977]

I will be gritting my teeth a little during this transfer window as I do not want us to sell Sturridge. I hope he stays and stays fit next season because he is off the scale  fucking boss.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

It comes down to where would he actually want to move too and who is actually going to take a risk on him. He’s supposedly on a wage of £100-150k a week. Is he prepared to take a drop on that and move to club with less ambition and less chance of playing Champions League football? Doubt it. Considering how often he’s injured, would a club like West Ham pay him that sort of cash and except that he’ll miss large parts of the season through injury? I doubt it.

I think we’re at an acceptable stalemate. He isn’t going to get a move that’s going to be worth his while so he’ll stay here and take whatever football he can get. I’d imagine we’d be happy to let him go for £20mil if someone took on his wages but appreciate that’s unlikely to happen so we’re happy to keep him in the squad and get as much use of him as we can.

I'm sure he'll stay here and score some important goals off the bench and when we rotate.

[markedasred]

It comes down to where would he actually want to move too and who is actually going to take a risk on him. He’s supposedly on a wage of £100-150k a week. Is he prepared to take a drop on that and move to club with less ambition and less chance of playing Champions League football? Doubt it. Considering how often he’s injured, would a club like West Ham pay him that sort of cash and except that he’ll miss large parts of the season through injury? I doubt it.

I think we’re at an acceptable stalemate. He isn’t going to get a move that’s going to be worth his while so he’ll stay here and take whatever football he can get. I’d imagine we’d be happy to let him go for £20mil if someone took on his wages but appreciate that’s unlikely to happen so we’re happy to keep him in the squad and get as much use of him as we can.

I'm sure he'll stay here and score some important goals off the bench and when we rotate.

bearing in mind the usual caveat of football money having turned obscene, he could justify his wages with a few goals here and there in important matches. If he is one of the goals in a 2-1 or  a 3-2, and that moves us up a league place, that's that done.
It takes no exaggeration for us to end up with 50% more games this season.

[Marty McFly]

I've been in favour of, due to his injuries, "upgrading" Studge...

However, just watched the last two games of the season again. And his mad drag wide to create the goal for Origi vs West Ham (which he replicated against Sydney)

And I'm imagining a resurgent Sturridge flanked by Mane and Salah...

That might raise his game enormously if he's fit and in for Firmino.

Gonna go out on a limb and predict a resurgent, mostly fit Studge this year.

Call me a romantic

[Alecs left foot]

With European involvement this coming season, I think it would be wise to keep him.
Also, the matches he played at the end of the season, he looked fitter and leaner than I had seen in some time.

[Redpants]

I still think Sturridge is our best striker and unless we sign another we'd be better off keeping him. He's streets ahead of Origi for everything but a flat out sprint. He still gets goals.

[TepidT2O]

Latest from Sturridge on twitter... one for chops this...

Wearing Gucci and Louis Vuitton the same time is like wearing Nike and Adidas the same time. Don't do it.... #conflictofinterest

Words I'm sure we can all agree with.

[Upinsmoke]

First world problems eh

Kanye disagrees...

Yeezy might have to go and put his Louis on
I'm 'bout to go Gucci in the Gucci store

[rickardinho1]

I still think Sturridge is our best striker and unless we sign another we'd be better off keeping him. He's streets ahead of Origi for everything but a flat out sprint. He still gets goals.

Whilst Sturridge is still technically a lot better than Origi, statistically speaking he's not "streets ahead" - particularly when you remember that his fitness issues are a huge issue...



Origi is still only 22, and could well be a huge beneficiary of playing next to Salah - just as Dzeko at Roma... though the same could be said of Sturridge (if he stays fit).

In any case, the club is in the perfect position in that we don't need to sell unless a really good offer comes in. There's bound to be some premier league team(s) desperate to add a good striker late in the window (perhaps after a poor start to the league season in August), in which case the club could get some pretty good value from selling Ings and/or Sturridge.

By the way, hypothetically speaking, how would people feel if the club sold both Sturridge and Ings, leaving us with (only) Firmino, Origi, and Solanke as the recognized strikers at the club? Personally it wouldn't surprise me if Klopp rated Origi and Solanke highly enough to do that, but it would still be quite a risk to do so.

[TheShanklyGates]

I still think Sturridge is our best striker and unless we sign another we'd be better off keeping him. He's streets ahead of Origi for everything but a flat out sprint. He still gets goals.

Welcome to RAWK, Daniel.

[El Lobo]

By the way, hypothetically speaking, how would people feel if the club sold both Sturridge and Ings, leaving us with (only) Firmino, Origi, and Solanke as the recognized strikers at the club? Personally it wouldn't surprise me if Klopp rated Origi and Solanke highly enough to do that, but it would still be quite a risk to do so.

I would feel like I completely trust the manager....but that would appear ever so slightly bonkers considering how we've struggled with squad depth this season and next season we're gonna have quite a few more games.

[rickardinho1]

I would feel like I completely trust the manager....but that would appear ever so slightly bonkers considering how we've struggled with squad depth this season and next season we're gonna have quite a few more games.

The main depth issue had to do with not having enough wingers, and with Salah arriving that should mean that Firmino plays up front more exclusively as a striker rather than covering on the wing, and thereby helping to cover the added games. I guess it would all come down to how highly Klopp rates Solanke really, and Klopp might consider a 100% fit Solanke more reliable than having Sturridge as his 3rd striker.

After all, there must have been a reason for Solanke to decide to join Klopp's project one would think;... a promising player like that surely wouldn't have signed for Liverpool if there wasn't some sort of indication that he would have a chance to play first-team football right...

[El Lobo]

The main depth issue had to do with not having enough wingers, and with Salah arriving that should mean that Firmino plays up front more exclusively as a striker rather than covering on the wing, and thereby helping to cover the added games. I guess it would all come down to how highly Klopp rates Solanke really, and Klopp might consider a 100% fit Solanke more reliable than having Sturridge as his 3rd striker.

After all, there must have been a reason for Solanke to decide to join Klopp's project one would think;... a promising player like that surely wouldn't have signed for Liverpool if there wasn't some sort of indication that he would have a chance to play first-team football right...

Aye but Firmino was fucked by the end of the season, Solanke is still incredibly raw and Origi had a pretty poor season all things considered. I'd much rather keep Sturridge and those three, and then loan/sell Ings. I'd be stunned if we went into next season with just three strikers including Solanke and Origi.

[Funky_Gibbons]

The old adage in football is a team is only as good as their striker, going into the season with Firmino, Origi and Solanke as our forward options would be criminal.

[Schmidt]

Whilst Sturridge is still technically a lot better than Origi, statistically speaking he's not "streets ahead" - particularly when you remember that his fitness issues are a huge issue...

Come on, really? Stats wise they may have been similar last season but the difference in our play when Sturridge starts compared to Origi is night and day. I like Origi and I think he'll be a bit of a late bloomer but to compare the effectiveness of the two just based on goals/min is a bit daft.

[asim173]

Keep Sturridge.
Loan out Ings, let him get as close to a full season as possible before deciding what to do.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Keep Sturridge.
Loan out Ings

I think this is Logical, considering Ings has had two ACLs.

[groove]

You need to keep sample size in mind when using minutes per goal contribution stats comparisons when one player only played 1,100 minutes.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Aye but Firmino was fucked by the end of the season, Solanke is still incredibly raw and Origi had a pretty poor season all things considered. I'd much rather keep Sturridge and those three, and then loan/sell Ings. I'd be stunned if we went into next season with just three strikers including Solanke and Origi.

Stunned is certainly one word for it!

[JD.]

I'd still sell him but it would be with a bit of disappointment.

The thing is I don't understand how people keep falling for it every summer. "Oh if we get him fit..." We won't.

He'll never be fit. He constantly breaks down and when you need him he isn't there. The whole idea of getting him fit for 20 games is great but you don't get to choose those 20 games. Last season we needed him when Mane went to AFCON and where was he? Injured. As usual.

I wish he could be counted on because if he could be then he'd be the perfect back up striker. But he can't be. And it has been 3 years now of 'if we get him' and we never have. No matter the manager, no matter how many specialists he sees etc etc he just can't be counted on.

Going in to next season relying in anyway on Sturridge and Ings is asking for trouble. Personally, I'd shift them both on and use whatever money we get for the pair to buy a reliable CF.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Going in to next season relying in anyway on Sturridge and Ings is asking for trouble. Personally, I'd shift them both on and use whatever money we get for the pair to buy a reliable CF.

Who may get injured and be out for a long time.

Just a case in point, before his knee issues, Mane never really had a serious injury. Now, we still don't know whether or not the injury he has will affect him for the rest of his career.

There is no such thing as 'a reliable CF'. It's all a luck of the draw.

[JD.]

There is no such thing as 'a reliable CF'. It's all a luck of the draw.

Well that is just not true.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Well that is just not true.

Excellent argument mate.

[JD.]

Excellent argument mate.

It isn't worth expanding on because your point that injuries are nothing but luck is so clearly nonsense.

Weird that Sturridge gets all the bad luck and a player like Suarez gets all the good luck. Almost like it's something to do with the physiology of their bodies. Nah, just luck.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

It isn't worth expanding on because your point that injuries are nothing but luck is so clearly nonsense.

Weird that Sturridge gets all the bad luck and a player like Suarez gets all the good luck. Almost like it's something to do with the physiology of their bodies. Nah, just luck.

But you can never determine who's going to be injury free and who won't be. It just cannot happen. You can't go by a player's past history, you can't go by a player's physiology, and you certainly cannot predict the future.

Prove me wrong.

[Gnurglan]

But you can never determine who's going to be injury free and who won't be. It just cannot happen. You can't go by a player's past history, you can't go by a player's physiology, and you certainly cannot predict the future.

Prove me wrong.

I don't think you can be proven wrong.

We need to talk about likelyhood of getting injured. Sturridge is a top quality striker when available. No question. The problem is he is likely to be out injured. A player like Firmino is less likely to be out injured. Same with Origi.

What we need from a first pick striker is availability. I think it's quite easy to put it down in numbers. A minimum of 15 league goals, but close to 20 is necessary. Means 30+ league games is a must. Anyone who can't be trusted to play that much cannot be a first pick striker for Liverpool. Considering we have both Firmino and Origi who are likely to be available, while Sturridge isn't means Sturridge has the odds against him. He has basically lived on the 13/14 season for three years. It's time to ask where he is in the hierarchy. What's his role?

I like him. Like I said, he is top class when available. We can see itin the goals/minutes played. But I think we need more goals than we get from him. So he needs to play more and it's not likely he will. We are too forgiving when it comes to Sturridge.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

I don't think you can be proven wrong.

We need to talk about likelyhood of getting injured. Sturridge is a top quality striker when available. No question. The problem is he is likely to be out injured. A player like Firmino is less likely to be out injured. Same with Origi.

What we need from a first pick striker is availability. I think it's quite easy to put it down in numbers. A minimum of 15 league goals, but close to 20 is necessary. Means 30+ league games is a must. Anyone who can't be trusted to play that much cannot be a first pick striker for Liverpool. Considering we have both Firmino and Origi who are likely to be available, while Sturridge isn't means Sturridge has the odds against him. He has basically lived on the 13/14 season for three years. It's time to ask where he is in the hierarchy. What's his role?

I like him. Like I said, he is top class when available. We can see itin the goals/minutes played. But I think we need more goals than we get from him. So he needs to play more and it's not likely he will. We are too forgiving when it comes to Sturridge.

Sturridge is injury prone, that is not a question. But the problem is any player who suffers the wrong injury could also become injury prone. Origi and Firmino could be less likely to be out injured, perhaps. But Firmino could tear his hamstring in pre-season, and spend the rest of his career fighting reduced mobility and constant hanstring stiffness. Major injuries, by and large, always offers some form of permanent debilitation. If one goes through an entire career without having one, then that is luck more than anything.

Like Mane, who's had an exemplary injury record right up until his ACL tear. Now, we have to wait to see hopefully the injury will not have a major effect on his wellbeing long term. What are the chances? You are probably guessing as much as me.

On the flip side, who knows if Sturridge is finally turning the corner after spending a year with Andreas Kornmeyer. LIkelihood of him becoming injury free for the rest of his career? Probably zero. But having Sturridge becoming a serviceable striker again? It is possible.

The point is, you can't say 'let's go buy a dependable striker' and leave it at that. Everything is up to chance, so the fact is if you replace Sturridge, you look at the metrics of the striker who's replacing him, and hope he stays injury free. That is it, really.

[Anfield Ed]

Whilst Sturridge is still technically a lot better than Origi, statistically speaking he's not "streets ahead" - particularly when you remember that his fitness issues are a huge issue...



Origi is still only 22, and could well be a huge beneficiary of playing next to Salah - just as Dzeko at Roma... though the same could be said of Sturridge (if he stays fit).

In any case, the club is in the perfect position in that we don't need to sell unless a really good offer comes in. There's bound to be some premier league team(s) desperate to add a good striker late in the window (perhaps after a poor start to the league season in August), in which case the club could get some pretty good value from selling Ings and/or Sturridge.

By the way, hypothetically speaking, how would people feel if the club sold both Sturridge and Ings, leaving us with (only) Firmino, Origi, and Solanke as the recognized strikers at the club? Personally it wouldn't surprise me if Klopp rated Origi and Solanke highly enough to do that, but it would still be quite a risk to do so.

Stats can say anything. I'm sorry but Sturridge IS not just streets ahead but at least 2 or 3 levels ahead of Origi when he is fit which is the problem because he hardly ever is. Stats can say anything but class is class and Origi is nowhere near Sturridge's level.

[rickardinho1]

Come on, really? Stats wise they may have been similar last season but the difference in our play when Sturridge starts compared to Origi is night and day. I like Origi and I think he'll be a bit of a late bloomer but to compare the effectiveness of the two just based on goals/min is a bit daft.

What part of "Sturridge is still technically a lot better than Origi" and "statistically speaking" did you not understand? 

[rickardinho1]

Stats can say anything. I'm sorry but Sturridge IS not just streets ahead but at least 2 or 3 levels ahead of Origi when he is fit which is the problem because he hardly ever is. Stats can say anything but class is class and Origi is nowhere near Sturridge's level.

I'm not saying that Sturridge isn't class. Nor am I saying that he isn't a lot better technically than Origi.

However, no matter how good a player is you can't build a team around him if he's never available.

[ToneLa]

Is every bloody thread slagging off Danny?

At some point, say if Klopp keeps him, you're gonna have to pick a side: support the manager's choice and the team, or disagree quietly.

But English player, target on his back isn't there? Some of us talk about him like he WANTS to be injured.

[Chief Brody]

At some point, say if Klopp keeps him, you're gonna have to pick a side: support the manager's choice

That assumes the manager has a choice.

Personally I think the only way he stays is if there is no reasonable alternative.

Given the choice I don't think any manager would choose to keep a player with such a bad injury record.

[didi shamone]

Sturridge is injury prone, that is not a question. But the problem is any player who suffers the wrong injury could also become injury prone. Origi and Firmino could be less likely to be out injured, perhaps. But Firmino could tear his hamstring in pre-season, and spend the rest of his career fighting reduced mobility and constant hanstring stiffness. Major injuries, by and large, always offers some form of permanent debilitation. If one goes through an entire career without having one, then that is luck more than anything.

Like Mane, who's had an exemplary injury record right up until his ACL tear. Now, we have to wait to see hopefully the injury will not have a major effect on his wellbeing long term. What are the chances? You are probably guessing as much as me.

On the flip side, who knows if Sturridge is finally turning the corner after spending a year with Andreas Kornmeyer. LIkelihood of him becoming injury free for the rest of his career? Probably zero. But having Sturridge becoming a serviceable striker again? It is possible.

The point is, you can't say 'let's go buy a dependable striker' and leave it at that. Everything is up to chance, so the fact is if you replace Sturridge, you look at the metrics of the striker who's replacing him, and hope he stays injury free. That is it, really.

Mane didn't have an ACL tear thankfully.   As for Sturridge, he looks like he'll stay at this point. Solanke is not ready for top level football.Ings has to prove that his career can be resurrected.  Origi was generally poor last year.  There's no credible links to a CF and a decent one costs a fortune. To not replace him would be be negligent. We'd be a bad Firmino injury away from disaster.  However if we do spring a surprise CF signing it all changes.

[didi shamone]

That assumes the manager has a choice.

Personally I think the only way he stays is if there is no reasonable alternative.

Given the choice I don't think any manager would choose to keep a player with such a bad injury record.

Yet we hope to get good money for Sakho...

[Chief Brody]

I think we'll get a decent amount for Sakho, I'm not a fan but I can see a few teams that would have a look.