Author Topic: [World Cup 2018] South American qualifiers (Read 70771 times)

oojason · « **Reply #320 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:34:55 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on October 12, 2016, 02:26:55 am

Argentina are proof that having the best players doesn't make the best team. They just looked disjointed and the coach didn't help to be fair. They had nobody to play make for the last half an hour. Pointless having all these amazing finishers if you don't even create chances. In saying that Aguero did miss a penalty and had a great opportunity, but Argentina looked worse when the subs entered.

South America's qualification process is certainly the most interesting, even if it is basically a drawn out version of the Copa America

Absolutely mate, they've been too lop-sided upfront for a good few years - amazing quality and depth - but when Messi is out (and sometimes in) the balance has not been quite right - whether in midfield or in defence - which is saying something given the calibre of players they have.

They may well end being looked upon as one of those teams that underachieved badly - they certainly make it difficult for themselves at times.

The Brazil goal by Gabriel Jesus earlier (nice gift from the gk) - https://twitter.com/Brasil_TeamNews/status/786011172247998464?lang=en & https://twitter.com/azzainura/status/786006509901770752?lang=en

Number 7 · « **Reply #321 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:37:06 am »

Aguero has missed another penalty I see.

oojason · « **Reply #322 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:38:52 am »

Quote from: Number 7 on October 12, 2016, 02:37:06 am

Aguero has missed another penalty I see.

Not a good penalty - slow staggered run-up, not much power, not in the corner and the 'nice height' for the gk to save - https://twitter.com/robcantero/status/786003095700533252?lang=en & https://twitter.com/league_360/status/786009855198986240?lang=en

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #323 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:42:39 am »

Quote from: oojason on October 12, 2016, 02:34:55 am

Absolutely mate, they've been too lop-sided upfront for a good few years - amazing quality and depth - but when Messi is out (and sometimes in) the balance has not been quite right - whether in midfield or in defence - which is saying something given the calibre of players they have.

They may well end being looked upon as one of those teams that underachieved badly - they certainly make it difficult for themselves at times.

I fully agree with you. Marcos Rojo, Demichelis and Romero are still starters. I don't know Argentinian football very well but surely they have some domestic based players who are better than those. I think they need to sacrifice one of their forwards and bring in a midfielder, there's really no need to be trying to cram in Messi, Aguero, Higuain and Di Maria. Di Maria-Aguero-Messi would still be the most dangerous forward line in international football and allow you to balance the team out with somebody like Enzo Perez. Argentina have their hands full now, they're only a point ahead of Paraguay and as I said Argentina's next game is against Brazil. Paraguay take on Peru.

oojason · « **Reply #324 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:55:15 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on October 12, 2016, 02:42:39 am

I fully agree with you. Marcos Rojo, Demichelis and Romero are still starters. I don't know Argentinian football very well but surely they have some domestic based players who are better than those. I think they need to sacrifice one of their forwards and bring in a midfielder, there's really no need to be trying to cram in Messi, Aguero, Higuain and Di Maria. Di Maria-Aguero-Messi would still be the most dangerous forward line in international football and allow you to balance the team out with somebody like Enzo Perez. Argentina have their hands full now, they're only a point ahead of Paraguay and as I said Argentina's next game is against Brazil. Paraguay take on Peru.

In some ways they seem similar to England a few years ago with our so-called 'golden generation' - a bit great reluctance to play a balanced team - and they'd rather go with 'big-names' crammed into team that has players in unfamiliar and ineffective positions. Whether that's pressure from the FA's, sponsors, media, players themselves, or timid management...

With Mascherano ageing and no longer in midfield they could certainly do with that extra-midfielder - it seems so obvious and has been for a while, yet the status quo - and underachievement - remains...

(we should pop in our cv to the AFA

)

Does make you wonder what will happen after the World Cup when a lot of these will players will retire and there hasn't been many younger players given decent experience.

Should be a close and decent end to the South American WC qualification - as you say some interesting games coming up next.

Nice goal for Willian for Brazil's 2nd goal - hope they take off Coutinho soon - looks a heavy rainswept pitch, the game is won, and the Venezuelans have been a little physical at times - https://twitter.com/Brasil_TeamNews/status/786020703212449792

please, I have my reasons for it but... · « **Reply #325 on:** October 12, 2016, 03:03:36 am »

Should also remember that this is just the halfway point of the qualifiers, there is still 8 games to be played for all teams.

please, I have my reasons for it but... · « **Reply #326 on:** October 12, 2016, 03:05:18 am »

Undertaker's making his entrance.

oojason · « **Reply #327 on:** October 12, 2016, 03:07:54 am »

Quote from: Y2J on October 12, 2016, 03:05:18 am

Undertaker's making his entrance.

Hope he's got 50p for the meter for the floodlights

Round 11 up next - on Thursday 10th November...

Brazil vs Argentina
Colombia vs Chile
Paraguay vs Peru
Uruguay vs Ecuador
Venezuela vs Bolivia

Round 12 on Tuesday 15th November...

Bolivia vs Paraguay - 8pm UK time
Ecuador vs Venezuela - 9pm UK time
Argentina vs Colombia - 11.30pm UK time
Chile vs Uruguay - 11.30pm UK time
Peru vs Brazil - 2.15am UK time (Wednesday morning)

http://www.flashscores.co.uk/football/south-america/world-cup/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(CONMEBOL)
http://www.conmebol.com/en

Djozer · « **Reply #328 on:** October 12, 2016, 03:10:21 am »

Quote from: Y2J on October 12, 2016, 03:05:18 am

Undertaker's making his entrance.

Kovai Red · « **Reply #329 on:** October 12, 2016, 06:14:16 am »

Quote from: Eleven on October 12, 2016, 01:42:09 am

Looks like City have the jackpot with this Jesus kid.

Absolutely. He is going to be a phenomenal player!

dudleyred · « **Reply #330 on:** October 12, 2016, 09:09:56 am »

Coutinho come through ok without anything to note by way of injury?

thisyearisouryear · « **Reply #331 on:** October 12, 2016, 09:51:23 am »

Quote from: Djozer on October 12, 2016, 02:02:10 am

Fully agree with both yourself and Kopenhagen. He looks like he's got it all, seems to be a hard worker too. Named after John Tuturro's character in the Big Lebowski too, what's not to love?

Did not know that. Shame he is in City though.

ZeusMetallica · « **Reply #332 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:08:36 pm »

Quote from: dudleyred on October 12, 2016, 09:09:56 am

Coutinho come through ok without anything to note by way of injury?

I found the game on Youtube this morning, Couts played well. I'll admit I was a bit nervous, the pitch was awful, it was raining non stop. No injuries, and Firmino remained on the bench as far I can remember.

As for Argentina, what's happening to them? Higuain/ Aguero can't hit a barn door at international level.

OOS · « **Reply #333 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:01:13 pm »

Quote from: oojason on October 12, 2016, 02:38:52 am

Not a good penalty - slow staggered run-up, not much power, not in the corner and the 'nice height' for the gk to save - https://twitter.com/robcantero/status/786003095700533252?lang=en & https://twitter.com/league_360/status/786009855198986240?lang=en

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Shouldn't have even started to be honest, Dybala should have started.

4pool · « **Reply #334 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:22:18 pm »

Phil came through alright, just a heavy pitch do to all the rain. So he'll need to recover.

Bob wasn't used.

Eleven · « **Reply #335 on:** October 12, 2016, 04:07:28 pm »

Bauza is a terrible manager, worst Argentinian national coach since Maradona.

Argentina need to give El Loco the job, he's suited to coaching national sides rather than club teams.

I doubt the likes of Berizzo, Sampaoli, Pochettino and Simeone would leave their club teams for Argentina, Bielsa is the best they could get in as he's currently unemployed.

oojason · « **Reply #336 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:15:21 pm »

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Colombia 0 - 0 Chile : highlights here - http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2016/11/10/colombia-vs-chile-wcq-highlights/

Colombia XI: Ospina; Arias, Mina, Murillo, Díaz; Sánchez, Abel; Berrío, James Rodriguez, Cardona; Borja
Chile XI: C. Bravo, Jara, Mena, Roco, Vidal, Isla, Díaz, Fuenzalida, C. Aránguiz, Beausejour, Vargas

Uruguay 2 - 1 Ecuador : highlights here - http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2016/11/11/uruguay-vs-ecuador-wcq-highlights/

Uruguay XI: Muslera; Pereira, Coates, Godín, G.Silva; Sánchez, Arévalo Ríos, Vecino; Rolán, Suárez and Stuani
Ecuador XI: Dreer; Paredes, Achilier, Erazo, W.Ayoví; Noboa, Orejuela; Ibarra, Bolaños, Martínez; and F.Caicedo

Paraguay 1 - 4 Peru : highlights here - http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2016/11/11/paraguay-vs-peru-wcq-highlights/

Paraguay XI: Barreto; Moreira, Gómez, Da Silva, Alonso; González, Rojas, Riveros, O.Romero; A.Romero and Santander
Peru XI: Gallese; Corzo, Ramos, Rodríguez, Trauco; Carrillo, Tapia, Flores, Yotún; Cueva; Guerrero

Venezuela 5 - 0 Bolivia : highlights here - http://www.timesoccer.com/video/bolivia-vs-venezuela-live-highlights.html

Venezuela XI: Hernández; González, Vizcarrondo, Villanueva, Feltscher; Zambrano, Rincón; Murillo, Otero, Kouffati; Martínez
Bolivia XI: Lampe; Saavedra, Raldés, Zenteno, M. Bejarano; Escobar, Veizaga, Flores, Arce; Ramallo, M. Moreno

Brazil 3 - 0 Argentina : highlights here - http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2016/11/11/brazil-vs-argentina-wcq-highlights/

Brazil XI: Alisson - Alves, Miranda, Marqui, Marcelo - Paulinho, Fernandinho, Renato - Coutinho, Jesus, Neymar.
Arentina XI: Romero - Zabaleta, Otamendi, Mori, Mas - Enzo Pérez, Mascherano, Biglia - Messi, Higuaín, Di María.

http://www.flashscores.co.uk/football/south-america/world-cup/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(CONMEBOL)
http://www.conmebol.com/en

oojason · « **Reply #337 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:21:24 pm »

Coates goal for Uruguay on 12 mins - https://twitter.com/FootballUA1/status/796854406004310016

1-0 to Uruguay vs Ecuador

Redshadow · « **Reply #338 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:23:38 pm »

For such a football nation, it's surprising how poor Argentina's back line, especially their CBs. Otamendi and Mori... :-(

mersey_paradiso · « **Reply #339 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:25:56 pm »

Top work as ever jason - cheers !!

Quote from: oojason on November 10, 2016, 11:15:21 pm

Colombia 0 - 0 Chile : full time : highlights here - http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2016/11/10/colombia-vs-chile-wcq-highlights/

Uruguay vs Ecuador : 11.00pm kick off UK time - streams in here : https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams/comments/5caoap/match_thread_2300_gmt_uruguay_vs_ecuador/

Uruguay XI: Muslera; Pereira, Coates, Godín, G.Silva; Sánchez, Arévalo Ríos, Vecino; Rolán, Suárez and Stuani

Paraguay vs Peru : 11.30pm kick off UK time - streams in here : https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams/comments/5cayj4/match_thread2330_gmtparaguay_vs_peru/

Venezuela vs Bolivia : 11.30pm kick off UK time - streams in here : https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams/comments/5caz5n/match_thread2330_gmtvenezuela_vs_bolivia/

Brazil vs Argentina : 11.45pm kick off UK time - streams in here : https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams/comments/5cb0ms/match_thread_2345_gmt_brazil_vs_argentina/

Brazil XI: Alisson - Alves, Miranda, Marqui, Marcelo - Paulinho, Fernandinho, Renato - Coutinho, Jesus, Neymar.
Arentina XI: Romero - Zabaleta, Otamendi, Mori, Mas - Enzo Pérez, Mascherano, Biglia - Messi, Higuaín, Di María.

http://www.flashscores.co.uk/football/south-america/world-cup/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(CONMEBOL)
http://www.conmebol.com/en

Top work as ever jason - cheers !!

elsewhere · « **Reply #340 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:30:50 pm »

brazil argentina will be a great one

oojason · « **Reply #341 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:35:57 pm »

Quote from: mersey_paradiso on November 10, 2016, 11:25:56 pm

Top work as ever jason - cheers !!

No worries - pleasure to help and get the info out there a little

Some decent games tonight - strange that they kick off so close together so we can't watch most of them - though imagine Brazil vs Argentina will be the one for most of us.

RedShadow - definitely mate- surprised that Masch doesn't play for them in defence - having said that he was (and is) immense still in midfield too.

oojason · « **Reply #342 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:44:04 pm »

Paraguay 1-0 up vs Peru.

Riveros the scorer on 10 mins - https://twitter.com/FootballUA1/status/796860728502325248

Venezuela vs Bolivia was delayed 10 mins. Venezuela are 1-0 up : Kouffati the scorer on 3 mins - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51iett_jacobo-kouffati-goal-hd-venezuela-1-0-bolivia-11-11-2016-world-cup-qualification_sport
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Ecuador equalise with a smartly taken goal on 45 mins vs Uruguay - Caicedo the scorer - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51iefv_1-1-felipe-caicedo-goal-hd-uruguay-1-1-ecuador-10-11-2016-world-cup-conmebol-qualification_sport

Uruguay then score on 47 mins (still 1st half) to make it 2-1 to them - Rolan the scorer - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51iekb_goal-hd-diego-rolan-uruguay-2-1-ecuador-11-11-2016_sport

mersey_paradiso · « **Reply #343 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:45:24 pm »

Hahaha I've got Ray Hudson commentating for the Brazil game.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #344 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:50:22 pm »

I hate Ray Hudson so much it's not even funny.

Game ruiner.

The way he talks over the commentaror constantly infuriates me. As does the shit he spouts all through the game.

mersey_paradiso · « **Reply #345 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:51:08 pm »

Is Firmino on the bench ? Hopefully he doesn't get on if so ...

mersey_paradiso · « **Reply #346 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:52:05 pm »

Quote from: Die Nullfünfer on November 10, 2016, 11:50:22 pm

I hate Ray Hudson so much it's not even funny.

Game ruiner.

The way he talks over the commentaror constantly infuriates me. As does the shit he spouts all through the game.

Haha , he is annoying as fuck - still makes me laugh though with his ridiculous comments. Certainly not dull a la Phil Neville !!

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #347 on:** November 10, 2016, 11:58:21 pm »

Funes Mori getting a game. Shocking player.

oojason · « **Reply #348 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:02:30 am »

Quote from: mersey_paradiso on November 10, 2016, 11:45:24 pm

Hahaha I've got Ray Hudson commentating for the Brazil game.

Gotta love the Mad Geordie

He can make the dullest games seem great, and despite talking shite it's not like Sky/BT commentating shite

quality Mad Geordie comms streams for Bra vs Arg - http://wweuefa.blogspot.co.uk/ & http://www.pushmycar.cf/sa/sahd/sahd104.html

quality Italian comms stream for Bra vs Arg - http://www.pushmycar.cf/sahd102.html

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #349 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:02:52 am »

Paulinho? Seriously?

mersey_paradiso · « **Reply #350 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:04:55 am »

Hate seeing players ask for card to be given. Seems even Messi has sunk that low now.

oojason · « **Reply #351 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:05:03 am »

Venezuela 2-0 up on 10 mins - Martinez the scorer - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51if78_joseph-martinez-goal-hd-venezuela-2-0-bolivia-11-11-2016_sport

Hudson comms - fine strike from Argentina's Biglia - '...a black cat that shall grow wings'

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #352 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:12:21 am »

Phillllll. Great goal.

mersey_paradiso · « **Reply #353 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:12:21 am »

Ray Hudson on Allison's save : "He is a black cat that grew wings"

EDIT : Haha , SNAP !!

kavah · « **Reply #354 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:12:21 am »

Oh what a screamer

oojason · « **Reply #355 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:12:23 am »

Coutinho goal for Brazil on 25 mins - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51ifo1_philippe-coutinho-goal-hd-brazil-1-0-argentina-wc-qualification-10-11-2016-hd_sport & https://twitter.com/SportEmperor/status/796868806224334848

Brazil 1-0 Argentina.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #356 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:12:44 am »

little Phil did it again

HeartAndSoul · « **Reply #357 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:13:01 am »

What a goal Phil

Who's this commentator

4pool · « **Reply #358 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:13:05 am »

Super Phil with his standard Liverpool goal...

dundeejoe · « **Reply #359 on:** November 11, 2016, 12:13:07 am »

coutinho with another tap in