Topic: CyberPunk 2077

[ToneLa]

They've made netrunning crap. Traced when you do anything no matter what, and the quickhack Cyberpsychosis wears off very quickly now, it has been degraded. It's all tuned to promote gunplay

Bounced off for that reason. Shame

[Darren G]

They've made netrunning crap. Traced when you do anything no matter what, and the quickhack Cyberpsychosis wears off very quickly now, it has been degraded. It's all tuned to promote gunplay

Bounced off for that reason. Shame

Nah, they've not made netrunning crap. They've just made you have to think about it a little more.  You can use "memory wipe" to avoid being traced.  I believe that "sonic shock" also works.  If you don't have either of those, then often taking out the netrunner tracing you will end the trace. Some of the specialised optics will show a red line to the netrunner tracing you, so you can find them and say hi. There are also perks such as "shadowrunner", that resets the trace upon takedowns. 

Can't speak to cyberpsychosis as I've never used it as of yet. 

[Scottymuser]

Nah, they've not made netrunning crap. They've just made you have to think about it a little more.  You can use "memory wipe" to avoid being traced.  I believe that "sonic shock" also works.  If you don't have either of those, then often taking out the netrunner tracing you will end the trace. Some of the specialised optics will show a red line to the netrunner tracing you, so you can find them and say hi. There are also perks such as "shadowrunner", that resets the trace upon takedowns. 

Can't speak to cyberpsychosis as I've never used it as of yet.

Specifically - level 3 and above on sonic shock (which is relatively cheap) removes *WHATEVER* you are hacking from the their network immediately, and for 30-60 seconds.  So for a net runnner build, you want to make sure you perk into the queue (so you can stack 4 items at once) - put sonic shock on, and then overheat (or any other combat hack) - and you never get a trace on ever; make sure perk wise you get overclock and the one which refunds 80% of the RAM cost (so you'd get a refund of 80% of the cost of overheat) and you are *GOLDEN*.  Unless that other choice is Contagion - as then if it spreads to an enemy you haven't already sonic shocked them then it would start a trace.  At lvl 60, 1 overheat is enough to kill almost any non-cyberpyscho in the game (even brutes with 3-4 health bar - it just takes the full 5-10s they are burning to actually have them take the dmg to keel over).

Seen a few threads started on other forums moaning about the same topic - and then after someone gives them these tips etc they realise they broke it more, and with the right build you can basically destroy anything up to, and including, Max Tec with the correct stuff.  Pre patch 2.02 but post 2.0 it was even more broken - as they screwed up the refund mechanism - so if you had the perk with a specific ultimate tier 5 (can't remember which) skill which had a -15 point reduction if it was 4th in the queue - if you queued sonic shock, overheat, another cheap dmg, and this tier 5 - because it would kill them before the ultimate hack went off, it would give you back 80% of overheat, the other cheap dmg one, and the *BASE* cost of the ultimate, meaning you were spending something like 20 points of RAM, and getting refunded 24(!) to kill anything in the game immediately.  Needed a specific deck, and I think 4 specific pieces of cyberware, but my it was broken.  Nowadays they've correctly accounted for the 80% reduction off the last, so you'd only get like 16 points back (still a lot, but less than the 20 you were spending so you would eventually run out) in that 2.02 patch.

As you said, it just requires some thought and perk allocation, along with correct choices in cyberware, and quick hacks on the deck, for it work perfectly - but there are plenty of guides out there if someone needs some help and advice

[Casta]

Phantom Liberty is definitely one of the best, if not the best DLC ive every played, everything about it so good, great story, interesting characters, ambience, music etc, the little tweaks to the main game, cant rate it highly enough.

[Darren G]

Yeah, it's a brilliant expansion.  That Grimes (Lizzy Wizzy) performance, I mean fuck me, you just don't see that kind of thing normally in add-ons.  Just a top effort all around.  That said, in terms of my all-time favorite DLCs I'd still have Blood and Wine at number one. Both brilliant though.

[meady1981]

Ok, talk to me as if I’m a child.
My knowledge of this game was that it was a disaster when it was released.
Are we saying now that if I buy the physical game, it’s been updated to be much better?
I’m talking The original story first person game, not online.
I’m not an ‘online’ gamer or have the monthly pass thing. Not really sure how these DLC things you talk of work. Or is there a current version I should download that’s got extra bits that makes it better than the original physical copy. On PS5.
Yours
Daniel
(Age 42)

[JerseyKloppite]

Ok, talk to me as if I’m a child.
My knowledge of this game was that it was a disaster when it was released.
Are we saying now that if I buy the physical game, it’s been updated to be much better?
I’m talking The original story first person game, not online.
I’m not an ‘online’ gamer or have the monthly pass thing. Not really sure how these DLC things you talk of work. Or is there a current version I should download that’s got extra bits that makes it better than the original physical copy. On PS5.
Yours
Daniel
(Age 42)

I bought a PS4 version. If you have a PS5 you get a free upgrade to the PS5 version. I didn't really notice any bugs or issues, and thought it was an excellent game.

[Darren G]

Ok, talk to me as if I’m a child.
My knowledge of this game was that it was a disaster when it was released.
Are we saying now that if I buy the physical game, it’s been updated to be much better?
I’m talking The original story first person game, not online.
I’m not an ‘online’ gamer or have the monthly pass thing. Not really sure how these DLC things you talk of work. Or is there a current version I should download that’s got extra bits that makes it better than the original physical copy. On PS5.
Yours
Daniel
(Age 42)

Hi Daniel.

Ok, I'll try and cover everything. Yeah, it was a disaster when it was released because for many it was buggy as hell and the game-play wasn't that great either.  Yes, the updates have made it much better, which is actually a bit of an understatement. It's a phenomenal game in it's current form.

Yes, on PS5 it will be able to be updated to the current version, regardless of whether you buy a physical copy or it's a downloaded purchase. There is no online component to Cyberpunk, so that's moot. It's solely a single player experience.

 If you wish to add the Phantom Liberty expansion (DLC) to the game (and I highly recommend that you do get it) then you can purchase it from the Playstation store and install it once you have the base game installed and updated to the current version.  Alternatively, a 'complete edition' of the game, with Phantom Liberty already included, will apparently be available next month to purchase.  Either way, you don't need a gamepass or the like. You just purchase it and install it.  The Phantom Liberty expansion itself adds a new story, an extra area to the city in the game and extra side missions and the like. Again, highly recommended.

So yeah:

1. buy the game (physical copy or download).
2. Install and update the game to current version. If it doesn't do it automatically, then: https://www.playstation.com/en-au/support/hardware/playstation-system-software-application-version/
3. purchase, download and install Phantom Liberty.

Hope this helps.

[meady1981]

A wonderful assessment. Thank you for taking the time!
You’re a good boy.

[Darren G]

A wonderful assessment. Thank you for taking the time!
You’re a good boy.

No problem mate. Now where's my fucking biscuit!?

[Broad Spectrum]

On my second playthrough now, although with the new Spider-Man game and a newborn in my house I've parked it for the moment, but it's a brilliant game. I'm trying to build my new character before probably starting the DLC during the Christmas break.

[Scottymuser]

Nearly finished the game - for spoilers:

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In Phantom Liberty, betrayed Reed and sided with So Mi in the Black Sapphire, and played through both subsequent choices at the rocket (my god the "bad" ending of handing So Mi over was heart breaking) although haven't subsequently gone and finished the main story after helping So Mi escape.  Going back and siding with Reed originally, and seeing what changes from the "side with So Mi then betray later".  Will then finish the main game and again try and create a save point so I can easily see the different endings.

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What a game!  Absolute master piece

[Darren G]

I had a different take (no main game spoilers):

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I've only gone through the 'side with So Mi then betray her' ending (won't do another ending until I do a full replay) and at the risk of sounding like a sociopath, didn't really feel that bad about it at all. 

As I saw it, she manipulated and lied to everybody out of self-interest (including V, who could easily have been killed and ultimately went through all that shit for nothing).  She also caused a lot of death in general, for which she showed very little remorse until the end.  Even then, all V gets by way of an apology is "I regret lying to you". When push came to shove though, she didn't care about anybody but herself.  Betrayed Reed, with him ending in a coma.  Betrayed the President nearly getting her killed. Betrayed V, risking his life and giving him false hope. She was also fine with having a massacre on her hands in order to save herself, by turning the stadiums defenses against everybody.  So I repaid her in kind and went with self-interest, just as she had done.  As V says to her:"you betrayed me first". So yeah, fuck her.  Didn't see that as the bad ending, especially compared to some of them in the main game (won't mess that up for you).

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[Scottymuser]

I had a different take (no main game spoilers):

Spoiler

I've only gone through the 'side with So Mi then betray her' ending (won't do another ending until I do a full replay) and at the risk of sounding like a sociopath, didn't really feel that bad about it at all. 

As I saw it, she manipulated and lied to everybody out of self-interest (including V, who could easily have been killed and ultimately went through all that shit for nothing).  She also caused a lot of death in general, for which she showed very little remorse until the end.  Even then, all V gets by way of an apology is "I regret lying to you". When push came to shove though, she didn't care about anybody but herself.  Betrayed Reed, with him ending in a coma.  Betrayed the President nearly getting her killed. Betrayed V, risking his life and giving him false hope. She was also fine with having a massacre on her hands in order to save herself, by turning the stadiums defenses against everybody.  So I repaid her in kind and went with self-interest, just as she had done.  As V says to her:"you betrayed me first". So yeah, fuck her.  Didn't see that as the bad ending, especially compared to some of them in the main game (won't mess that up for you).

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Spoilers for that particular ending to PL:

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Firstly I don't think you can blame her for a lot of her actions, I 100% blame Myers and her forcing So Mi for years to breach the blackwall, and become more corrupted by that side - and then returning to that so the NUSA can continue to abuse her to break international laws etc etc.  She only learnt at the very end (i.e. when she was getting the AI from the mainframe, that it could only be used once - up until that point, her plan was never to have the plane shot down and endanger Myers (that was 100% on Hansen); Reed betrayed her and the rest of his team 7 years ago (after forcing her, as a young naive net runner to join the NUSA leading to her life of pain and sorrow) - leading her to feel guilt etc that was never her fault; and the "turning stadium defences against everybody" basically was to take out the BARGHEST soldiers (not the non-soldiers) and didn't actually work (you end up fighting through loads of the buggers).

Secondly, by heart breaking - I was more meaning about the implications for V - spent 2 years in a coma; Johnny is fully dead and gone; Panam heart broken and never wanting to speak to you again; Judy happy but never seeing you again; ditto Kerry; Viktor "owned" by a corporation that he detests and unable to help you, losing his friend (Misty) in the process; you are left alone, with not even the weakest abilities you start the game with, no ability to defend yourself even up against street thugs that couldn't fight a baby.  Reed feeling he did the *right* thing still by following the NUSA to the note, betraying So Mi for the third time, and not understanding her pain and the things that she went through (thinking that "for the good of the country" trumps all); then being pseudo retired to a desk job that he deeply dislikes.  The only positive thing (and this goes for either ending if you initially side with So Mi in the Black Sapphire) is that Alex lives - and gets to Monte Carlo.

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Spoilers for my thoughts on wider implications around PL, including at least one other ending not mentioned abovee

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Firstly, I think the key villains in this whole expansion are Myers, with the activities she forces So Mi to do that routinely breach international law (things like breaching the BlackWall for her own benefit) and Hansen; BOTH Reed and So Mi are gray characters (but for me Reed more villainous than So Mi) and Alex is the only truly "good" character.   Also, I believe that any ending resulting in you being cured, but at the cost of Johnny disappearing for good ("killed"?), losing all your friends, and being miserable can not be a "good" ending (or at least the "best" ending). 

The reason behind my thoughts on Reed stem from the ending if you side with him initially, and then refuse to kill So Mi in the core.  He believes him to be her "saviour" still, that despite the incredible grief and regrest she has, let alone pain every time she has to connect to the Blackwall, he is still doing the right thing by handing her over to Myers to abuse and use to break international laws etc. He also doesn't seem to care that the "cure" he then procures for you alienates you from your community and friends, deletes/kills Johnny, leaves you powerless at the bottom rung of a corrupt and broken society in NC - and that his solution for you is to work in a "boring" desk job at Langley for FIA. 

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[Darren G]

Again, not sure I agree there mate:

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She may not have foreseen the rocket attack on the plane, but it was going down in Dogtown regardless due to her hack on the navigation system. The 'hack that she didn't have time to stop' was her hack and she was in cahoots with Hansen from the start.  As for finding out about the one-time AI use, she knew about that since Cynosure (or whatever the fuck it was called). So long enough, but still kept lying to V so that 'she'd be sure you'd help her'.  As for the stadium,  regardless of how it plays out in the gameplay, she makes it quite clear that she's fine with having civilians massacred and when V voices an objection/abhorrence pointing out that a lot of people will die, she shrugs and says "they'll die so that we can live", but which she means so that she can live of course. She has no regard for life, except for her own.  She also betrays literally everybody in the game: Myers, Reed, Hansen, V.  Reed didn't force her to join the NUSA either. She wasn't a "naive netrunner." She was already doing illegal shit and so ended up with a choice between netwatch or nusa and chose the latter.  In addition, she got infected due to actions that she carried out (dabbling with the blackwall) by her own volition. Nothing with CDPR is ever entirely black and white when it comes to major choices, so I understand that your viewpoint is different. Personally though, I just felt that she was a narcissistic sociopath.

In terms of the heartbreaking bit, yeah, the ending that you described admittedly sounds awful. I've never called Reed to accept the surgery though.   

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[Zlen]

Hey folks. I picked this up on sale for Xbox. What’s the best ‘origin’ choice at the start and what’s best to invest points in early on?

[voodoo ray]

Hey folks. I picked this up on sale for Xbox. What’s the best ‘origin’ choice at the start and what’s best to invest points in early on?

Origin doesn't really matter. You get some largely irrelevant convo options and 1 unique mission.

So just go with whatever.

[Zlen]

What about build/skill points?
Anything that stands out as super valuable at the start?
I assume I'll be able to max few things out by the end, not really sure on builds at the moment, no idea what any of it really means in practice.
Is stealth a viable option in the game?

[macca007]

Only just bought it myself. Need to sort out the car tho after that TV only c*nt delamaine wrote mine off. Any advice on how to get it repaired or best way to sort a decent car?

[voodoo ray]

Only just bought it myself. Need to sort out the car tho after that TV only c*nt delamaine wrote mine off. Any advice on how to get it repaired or best way to sort a decent car?

Don't worry about it for now, just play a few missions and it'll sort that out for you.

What about build/skill points?
Anything that stands out as super valuable at the start?
I assume I'll be able to max few things out by the end, not really sure on builds at the moment, no idea what any of it really means in practice.
Is stealth a viable option in the game?

Kind of depends what level of difficulty you're on I guess. You can respec for free anyway, so just go with what seems interestingbto you.

[Zlen]

Ah fair enough.
I'll just give it a go if respec is available.

[voodoo ray]

Ah fair enough.
I'll just give it a go if respec is available.

Points don't really matter at low levels because you'll end up with quite a few. Have a look at the perk things and see what, if anything, you want to build towards.

[macca007]

Don't worry about it for now, just play a few missions and it'll sort that out for you.

Kind of depends what level of difficulty you're on I guess. You can respec for free anyway, so just go with what seems interestingbto you.

Sound only cos I've been running everywhere after the taxis that have gone awol. Didnt know if it was those missions that I'd need to finish to get a car back

[voodoo ray]

Sound only cos I've been running everywhere after the taxis that have gone awol. Didnt know if it was those missions that I'd need to finish to get a car back

Nah. In fact, don't worry about that for ages. You should be given an old banger

[voodoo ray]

2.1 is being pushed out soon, and those that have been shouting for a working metro system finally get what they've wanted.

the weird 'unfinished' section of highway is going to be fixed and other stuff too.

[ToneLa]

Plz make level scaling a toggle

[Darren G]

Plz make level scaling a toggle

There's a mod for that on nexus if you're playing on PC.

Overview for new 2.1 features:

 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/d0o9Dnn_rzc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/d0o9Dnn_rzc</a>

[Scottymuser]

Only just bought it myself. Need to sort out the car tho after that TV only c*nt delamaine wrote mine off. Any advice on how to get it repaired or best way to sort a decent car?

Delamaine is amazing, and one of my favourite characters in the game.  I will whole heartedly recommend you to, when you've played a bit more and unlocked it, help him and his quest lines. 

[Scottymuser]

Again, not sure I agree there mate:

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She may not have foreseen the rocket attack on the plane, but it was going down in Dogtown regardless due to her hack on the navigation system. The 'hack that she didn't have time to stop' was her hack and she was in cahoots with Hansen from the start.  As for finding out about the one-time AI use, she knew about that since Cynosure (or whatever the fuck it was called). So long enough, but still kept lying to V so that 'she'd be sure you'd help her'.  As for the stadium,  regardless of how it plays out in the gameplay, she makes it quite clear that she's fine with having civilians massacred and when V voices an objection/abhorrence pointing out that a lot of people will die, she shrugs and says "they'll die so that we can live", but which she means so that she can live of course. She has no regard for life, except for her own.  She also betrays literally everybody in the game: Myers, Reed, Hansen, V.  Reed didn't force her to join the NUSA either. She wasn't a "naive netrunner." She was already doing illegal shit and so ended up with a choice between netwatch or nusa and chose the latter.  In addition, she got infected due to actions that she carried out (dabbling with the blackwall) by her own volition. Nothing with CDPR is ever entirely black and white when it comes to major choices, so I understand that your viewpoint is different. Personally though, I just felt that she was a narcissistic sociopath.

In terms of the heartbreaking bit, yeah, the ending that you described admittedly sounds awful. I've never called Reed to accept the surgery though.   

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Fair enough, and I do see your view point - but also fuck Myers/Reed/Hansen.  Maybe Reed a little less, but he is still an asshole. 

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As for Cynosure:  that was the name of the project that was designed to combat Arasaka's Soul Killer (and the tech that could heal them) - and the bunker facility it was in.  So my interpretation of her saying something like "I learnt it would only work one time at Cynosure/after Cynosure" suggests that until she was able to get access to the tech through Hansen in person, she didn't know.  And that could have been immediately after being captured in the first main mission of the PL, or at some time between then and the Party we go to, or even a little later.  If I were to guess, Hansen would make her wait a little first - but I do think that at least at the start of their interactions, she is not "knowingly" lying about being able to save V; and that, at the very least, she didn't start until after Myers is out of harms way.

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[Darren G]

Reed at least keeps his word though, at least with V.  You may have a point with your spoiler paragraph, but I'm standing by my "fuck her" regardless.    At the end of the day though, regardless of differing positions, it's such a good thing that the writing is up to a level where we can have these debates.  You won't see this with, for example, Starfield.