Author Topic: Pro Evolution Soccer 2012 (Read 55080 times)

medley · « **Reply #480 on:** September 14, 2011, 02:48:47 pm »

http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/pes2012-demo-now-available-on-360/

2nd demo is out now

SMD · « **Reply #481 on:** September 14, 2011, 02:50:25 pm »

Quote from: Lawnmowerman on September 14, 2011, 02:47:00 pm

No its out since this morning, the first came out two weeks ago

Forgive me, I've been out of the loop for two months.

Okay, well, I guess it's alright, was expecting a bit more cos I thought it was the first demo. Passing is slightly erratic and the right stick run needs getting used to.

RivaGe · « **Reply #482 on:** September 14, 2011, 02:58:51 pm »

Downloading, haven't played PES since 2009. Tried FIFA demo too, haven't played fifas since 2004.

jackh · « **Reply #483 on:** September 14, 2011, 05:33:07 pm »

Well, here goes...

Filled with anticipointment.

jackh · « **Reply #484 on:** September 14, 2011, 05:45:37 pm »

Quote from: jackh on September 14, 2011, 05:33:07 pm

Well, here goes...

Filled with anticipointment.

Actually, only been playing for about 2 minutes but this feels considerably better than the first demo.

NuncaCaminarásSolo · « **Reply #485 on:** September 14, 2011, 06:54:11 pm »

Quote from: jackh on September 14, 2011, 05:33:07 pm

Well, here goes...

Filled with anticipointment.

Never heard a word that describes post-2006 PES so perfectly.

First demo was good technically (minus keepers) but just lacked a certain fun factor. Downloading 2nd one now.

andymanlfc · « **Reply #486 on:** September 14, 2011, 08:39:58 pm »

To me, the players run a bit like retards, and they run in very straight paths and its hard to dribble around players, they also kick the ball weirdly and there touch takes for ever before they make a pass.

Caston · « **Reply #487 on:** September 14, 2011, 08:56:08 pm »

PES is horrible, I played about 2 minutes and dashboarded

JasonF · « **Reply #488 on:** September 14, 2011, 10:11:59 pm »

Just had my first match, an enjoyable 4-3 against the AI. If they can improve the goalkeepers (I'm sure I read they were planning to but I hoped that'd include the 2nd demo) then it could be a winner. That's from someone who still plays and enjoys PES 2011 though.

jackh · « **Reply #489 on:** September 14, 2011, 10:16:24 pm »

Quote from: JasonF on September 14, 2011, 10:11:59 pm

Just had my first match, an enjoyable 4-3 against the AI. If they can improve the goalkeepers (I'm sure I read they were planning to but I hoped that'd include the 2nd demo) then it could be a winner. That's from someone who still plays and enjoys PES 2011 though.

Think he keepers ARE far improved from the first demo...spilling everything for me. Only played about six games before getting frustrated and waiting until today.

JasonF · « **Reply #490 on:** September 14, 2011, 10:39:14 pm »

I've only played the first demo on PC, second one on Xbox 360. Not noticed a massive difference with the keepers, Julio Cesar made 1 save for me the entire match (a penalty) and let in 4 goals from 5 shots on target. Neuer spilled a few too and let in 3 from 7 shots.

It's hard for me to quantify how much better it is than the first demo though cos I don't think my PC is a very good gaming machine, it wasn't running PES very well even on fairly modest settings.

Will have a few two player games later on but it feels good, just hope there's further improvements on the goalkeepers on the final release/game updates.

cmulls5 · « **Reply #491 on:** September 15, 2011, 12:47:38 am »

Usually with problem pes.Keepers just arent good enough

lachesis · « **Reply #492 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:24:02 am »

Played the second demo on PS3 yesterday. Can't speak for XBOX but I always felt PES definitely felt different cross platform.

As for the second demo, love it. Can really see a noticeable difference between the two versions. The stiffness has gone and everything is blending in well. Still a few niggles with low shots from outside the box. The right thumbstick is much better and can be used more than once per run now. Just feels right to me despite its shortcomings in certain areas.

Still can't understand the tricks in this game.

The two football games are pretty similar in terms of tackling this year. Seem to be making sliding tackles outlawed which to an extent you can understand as they are a bit arcadey in most videogame interpretations.

Overall I can't see converts from either side this year, but Konami may win back a few people who didn't migrate to Fifa earlier in the series.

Yiannis · « **Reply #493 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:45:25 am »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/vOgpt6J47Nc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/vOgpt6J47Nc</a>

3 consecutive epic fails.That has to be a first.

Downloading the second demo right now to get a first taste of the new PES.I guess it's a good thing i haven't tried the first demo?

Anywhichwayicant · « **Reply #494 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:46:52 am »

Quote from: OsirisMVZ on April 26, 2011, 09:27:01 pm

Again with more 'look how different it is this year!' quotes when we all know it will be the same shit game it has been for the last 5+ years.

Similar to Fifa.

jackh · « **Reply #495 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:54:47 am »

Quote from: Yiannis on September 15, 2011, 09:45:25 am

Downloading the second demo right now to get a first taste of the new PES.I guess it's a good thing i haven't tried the first demo?

Maybe that was the trick with the demos, after all...release an intentionally garbage one to de-stablise the loyalists but then release a good one to imply a big step forward and consolidate the 'fanbase'.

For what it's worth, I was pleasantly surprised from the moment I first touched the ball on this second demo. The players move more freely than on the first demo, the keepers have improved, and I like how the ball isn't always 'attached' to a player - allows for lots of deflections and so on.

lachesis · « **Reply #496 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:08:32 am »

Quote from: jackh on September 15, 2011, 09:54:47 am

Maybe that was the trick with the demos, after all...release an intentionally garbage one to de-stablise the loyalists but then release a good one to imply a big step forward and consolidate the 'fanbase'.

For what it's worth, I was pleasantly surprised from the moment I first touched the ball on this second demo. The players move more freely than on the first demo, the keepers have improved, and I like how the ball isn't always 'attached' to a player - allows for lots of deflections and so on.

One thing I did notice and like but was a bit of a shock was the freedom of movement after a loose ball. Usually it seems players automatically get drawn to it but on this one if you don't move the player doesn't move which led to frantic sprinting after realising.

andymanlfc · « **Reply #497 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:47:52 am »

Quote from: Yiannis on September 15, 2011, 09:45:25 am

3 consecutive epic fails.That has to be a first.

Downloading the second demo right now to get a first taste of the new PES.I guess it's a good thing i haven't tried the first demo?

Lol! Did that goal count?

FowlerLeftFoot · « **Reply #498 on:** September 15, 2011, 11:08:40 am »

2012, still no support for 1080p display n still not able to save entire match highlights!!!! Why??!

jackh · « **Reply #499 on:** September 15, 2011, 11:16:29 am »

The AI has certainly improved and the runs are much better.

I'm playing as Bayern vs Spurs and, being pretty crap at the game, I'm putting together lots of passes but never really working the space for a shot - as pressure builds my supporting full back gets higher and higher (got Lahm and Ribery working nicely together) providing a decent option - this is leaving me open time and time again to Spurs though, who are sitting pretty deep but leaving Lennon and Defoe high to counter.

Slide tackling is fine if you time it right but I'm absolutely useless at the pressure/foot in tackling - they should have kept last year's 'new' defensive system. Hold up play with R2 + X works nicely but it doesn't feel as natural as last years X + Direction controls.

*Edit: not really been able to tell yet but I hope they've fixed the crossing/heading - for about 3 versions of the game now, open-play crossing/heading has felt like a guided missile setup with no chance for the keeper/defenders. All I've noticed so far is that Michael Dawson is pretty good from corners...but it'll take a while to get used to the open-play scenarios!

smig · « **Reply #500 on:** September 15, 2011, 12:08:23 pm »

Based on the demo, I'd say almost every area of the game has moved on a notch from PES 2011. The keeper animations are awful though, the amount of soft goals they let in is silly and unrealistic.

gazc23 · « **Reply #501 on:** September 15, 2011, 12:29:40 pm »

Downloaded last night....

First impressions its ok, keepers can be suspect at times as ever! The 'team-mate control' function I really like, tricky in open play so far, but revolutionary at set pieces, scored a cracking header will Muller for Munich. Knocked the game speed to -1 and passing to manual and it plays really well. Just hope the final version is a bit more polished and fixes the bugs.

Cautiously optimistic...

walshys_mullet · « **Reply #502 on:** September 15, 2011, 12:40:06 pm »

The shooting is floaty and the passing feels too scripted.

jackh · « **Reply #503 on:** September 15, 2011, 01:11:18 pm »

Quote from: walshys_mullet on September 15, 2011, 12:40:06 pm

The shooting is floaty and the passing feels too scripted.

I'm quite happy with the balance of the passing - it was a concern I had from the first demo and then in a later post I did mention that there did need to be a balance between player ability and user ability...I feel we've seen an improvement going into the demo.

You have gone into the Data screen to turn the assists off haven't you (I didn't find this for the first days on the first demo).

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #504 on:** September 15, 2011, 01:37:10 pm »

Quote from: Anywhichwayucan on September 15, 2011, 09:46:52 am

Similar to Fifa.

Except it's not similar at all.

jackh · « **Reply #505 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:20:51 pm »

I downloaded FIFA just for a go on it - I did like the defending tutorial they run you through and the defensive system works well.

I don't really understand why Konami changed the defensive system on this new Pro Evo - 2011 worked well.

Samee · « **Reply #506 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:21:38 pm »

They still make these?

'Mondzz' · « **Reply #507 on:** September 15, 2011, 04:08:08 pm »

PES has had its day now, no way will it take over from FIFA which is improving year by year.

Chronic · « **Reply #508 on:** September 15, 2011, 04:15:53 pm »

Just downloaded this, played about 2 minutes then dashboarded, this is pathetic, it's dead now.

SMD · « **Reply #509 on:** September 15, 2011, 04:35:20 pm »

Quote from: El Zhar 31 on September 15, 2011, 04:08:08 pm

PES has had its day now, no way will it take over from FIFA which is improving year by year.

Err?

Carllfc · « **Reply #510 on:** September 15, 2011, 05:02:23 pm »

Quote from: smig on September 15, 2011, 12:08:23 pm

The keeper animations are awful though, the amount of soft goals they let in is silly and unrealistic.

Dont I know it

Lawnmowerman · « **Reply #511 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:41:09 pm »

I enjoy it. Think its good craic. Little things like opposition defenders scoring an own goal through a desperate diving header clearance are great for a laugh

JayH93 · « **Reply #512 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:42:14 pm »

I prefer Fifa's gameplay, but I just love Be A Legend and Master League. Gonna wait a while until this is about £20 I think. Is the demo worth downloading? What are the teams on it?

Lawnmowerman · « **Reply #513 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:48:43 pm »

Quote from: JayH93 on September 15, 2011, 10:42:14 pm

I prefer Fifa's gameplay, but I just love Be A Legend and Master League. Gonna wait a while until this is about £20 I think. Is the demo worth downloading? What are the teams on it?

Spurs. Inter. Rangers and Bayern. Demos 10 mins a half so its worth it.

Chirpy Red · « **Reply #514 on:** September 15, 2011, 11:23:37 pm »

Quote from: Lawnmowerman on September 15, 2011, 10:48:43 pm

Spurs. Inter. Rangers and Bayern. Demos 10 mins a half so its worth it.

Also 2 South American teams as well when you do Copa Libertadores.

RivaGe · « **Reply #515 on:** September 16, 2011, 06:00:17 am »

Quote from: El Zhar 31 on September 15, 2011, 04:08:08 pm

PES has had its day now, no way will it take over from FIFA which is improving year by year.

FIFA improving?

Both these games has been awful for years and there's not much improving. And there will be none unless they get completely new game engines. Maybe with PS4/Xbox3

Kashinoda · « **Reply #516 on:** September 16, 2011, 06:33:08 am »

Quote from: RivaGe on September 16, 2011, 06:00:17 am

Both these games has been awful for years and there's not much improving.

Brentieke · « **Reply #517 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:01:14 am »

Loving the 2nd demo.

A lot more fluid, movement is a lot better, feels sharper.

Very hard to score as well, the AI defence is top class I feel. Hard to find space which is how it should be.

Havent had any bother with the keepers as yet.

Miles better than 11 this, will deffo be buying it. Just finding it hard to make players run off the ball in open play.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #518 on:** September 16, 2011, 11:44:23 am »

Had a few games on the second demo so far.

Ball physics and goalkeepers much improved over first demo – same as what I saw at Konami before Gamescom.

I’m enjoying it but not loving it so far. If you turn passing assistance off, you do have to aim all your passes and the responsiveness is very good – you can build up good moves and your AI team-mates will make runs.

I’m still not wowed by the shooting which feels a bit random and floaty. It feels like if you get in certain situations and press shoot the ball will fly in on a pre-determined path, I don’t get the satisfaction that I aimed the shot.

Individuality is still a major strength for PES. Pick up the ball with Gareth Bale and you get the kind of difference you’d expect. Like small nifty players like Modric are great, as they can turn on a six-pence and find a little extra space with a good first touch (as they would in reality).

Haven’t mastered defending yet at all.

Looking forward to giving Fifa 12 demo a run out – I think shooting will be better but I have my doubts on individuality – which is key for me for Master League/Manager mode otherwise no point buying players or building a team is there?

lionel_messias · « **Reply #519 on:** September 16, 2011, 11:47:21 am »

Quote from: jackh on September 15, 2011, 03:20:51 pm

I downloaded FIFA just for a go on it - I did like the defending tutorial they run you through and the defensive system works well.

I don't really understand why Konami changed the defensive system on this new Pro Evo - 2011 worked well.

Yeah I thought that worked really well too - I heard Fifa kinda nicked it too.