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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59120 on: December 2, 2018, 05:58:21 am »
Ridiculous decision. Won it by at least 2 rounds.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59121 on: December 2, 2018, 05:58:28 am »
Not the easiet decision for judges, I think they got it about right.

How? Genuine question? Wilder won 2 rounds 10-8 and maybe another 10-9

That’s a clear 116-111 to me


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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59122 on: December 2, 2018, 05:59:48 am »
Fury shaded that for me but it was very close. I think the general consensus is that Fury should have been given the win. Looking forward to a rematch. I'm not sure if Joshua is better anymore. I thought they both showed that they are much better than people gave them credit for.

Wilder was awful, AJ destroys him

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59123 on: December 2, 2018, 06:02:45 am »
AJ defence isn't half as good as Fury's so wilder is a legit threat on this fight

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59124 on: December 2, 2018, 06:02:51 am »
Fury can 100 percent beat AJ. Get the rematch done in the UK.and then get on to the AJ fight.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59125 on: December 2, 2018, 06:03:29 am »
Loved that fight.

Despite the bad decision as Fury won IMO, that is why we watch boxing despite the bad judging.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59126 on: December 2, 2018, 06:03:44 am »
:lmao
I do think knockdowns are more decisive than an overall performance, on that basis Wilder compensated the fight with Fury beeing about 8:4 winner on my card.

Definitely not so scandalous result as the Lewis vs Holyfield draw in their first fight where Lennox was superb.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59127 on: December 2, 2018, 06:04:25 am »
Wilder was awful, AJ destroys him

I'm not sure. I think AJ is stylistically similar to Wilder and Wilder might get more than two real hits in. Either way, I think it is close.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59128 on: December 2, 2018, 06:05:03 am »
I do think knockdowns are more decisive than an overall performance
Well you think wrong. Only if it's a close fight are they decisive.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59129 on: December 2, 2018, 06:05:30 am »
How come you can have judges from a fighters country in boxing matches? Seems strange

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59130 on: December 2, 2018, 06:06:40 am »
Wilder was awful, AJ destroys him

Think the same. If Fury had a bit more power or put a bit more in to his punches he could've had Wilder out of there, Wilder gassed badly.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59131 on: December 2, 2018, 06:07:20 am »
How come you can have judges from a fighters country in boxing matches? Seems strange

It’s either 3 neutrals, not always easy for sanctioned title fights or one from each fighters country and one neutral

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59132 on: December 2, 2018, 06:07:49 am »
Calm down ladies the punching stats are pretty close and one fighter got two knock downs, one very brutal one. Draw about right, you also forget that the challenger should be doing a lot more than Fury did in first place.

There was only one winner of that fight.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59133 on: December 2, 2018, 06:08:08 am »
round   fury   wilder
1   9   10
2   10   10
3   10   9
4   9   10
5   10   9
6   10   9
7   10   9
8   10   10
9   8   10
10   10   9
11   10   10
12   8   10
   114   115

My card for what its worth. I can see why a draw was called. That Mexican judge must have had that good yayo for it to be that wide to Wilder.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59134 on: December 2, 2018, 06:08:25 am »
Fury getting up from that knockdown


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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59135 on: December 2, 2018, 06:09:39 am »
I do think knockdowns are more decisive than an overall performance, on that basis Wilder compensated the fight with Fury beeing about 8:4 winner on my card.

Definitely not so scandalous result as the Lewis vs Holyfield draw in their first fight where Lennox was superb.
that's not how boxing scoring works. You score each round. You name 3 or 4 other rounds that Wilder won

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59136 on: December 2, 2018, 06:10:51 am »
There was only one winner of that fight.

You are right, but when the dust settles and look at it from a distance I can just about live with a draw.

Wilder did get 2 knockdowns and Fury was lucky the ref did a good job in the 12th. For those reasons, I can just about tolerate this decision. I have seen much worse.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59137 on: December 2, 2018, 06:11:50 am »
What a legend Fury is in the ring, what a story, robbed like usual in boxing.  joke of a sport.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59138 on: December 2, 2018, 06:12:44 am »
that's not how boxing scoring works. You score each round. You name 3 or 4 other rounds that Wilder won

You need to find another 5 rounds that Wilder won for the Mexican's scorecard.  :o

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59139 on: December 2, 2018, 06:14:13 am »
Calm down ladies the punching stats are pretty close and one fighter got two knock downs, one very brutal one. Draw about right, you also forget that the challenger should be doing a lot more than Fury did in first place. 


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Re: Boxing thread
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59141 on: December 2, 2018, 06:18:44 am »
wow how did that Mexicano Judge give Wilder the first four rounds?

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59142 on: December 2, 2018, 06:21:13 am »
It’s either 3 neutrals, not always easy for sanctioned title fights or one from each fighters country and one neutral

Ahh I see. Didn't see an American judge so just wondered, thought Rochin was Mexican and Tapper was Canadian

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59143 on: December 2, 2018, 06:35:32 am »
I do think knockdowns are more decisive than an overall performance, on that basis Wilder compensated the fight with Fury beeing about 8:4 winner on my card.

Definitely not so scandalous result as the Lewis vs Holyfield draw in their first fight where Lennox was superb.

The knockdowns still only count in the round that they happen in though. Wilder didn't win enough of the other rounds, Fury should've still got the win by a couple of rounds at least.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59144 on: December 2, 2018, 06:45:30 am »
wow how did that Mexicano Judge give Wilder the first four rounds?
And yet he favored Fury in the 7th, while the other two gave it to Wilder!

Then in the 8th, the pattern was reversed -- he gave it to Wilder and the others gave it to Fury! Madness. :D
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59145 on: December 2, 2018, 06:46:03 am »
Fury won but I'm ok with the draw. Should thank his lucky stars it wasn't IJL as the ref but I did think that count was a bit long

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59146 on: December 2, 2018, 07:07:53 am »
I think Fury won it but a draw is not a terrible decision.  I think the first few rounds were close and can see why Wilder May have been given them, then obviously the knock down’s were big.

Agree with some of the comments on the ref, when you think back to the Groves/Froch stoppage vast majority of British ref’s would have called it the second he hit the ground.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59147 on: December 2, 2018, 07:18:05 am »
Any ace stream links to watch this later today?

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59148 on: December 2, 2018, 07:55:39 am »
Sounds like Stevenson is in a bad way in hospital.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59149 on: December 2, 2018, 07:55:40 am »
Wow that Mexicans scorecard was not just a bit off, it was like he was watching it in mirror image or something.  Maybe he didn't know who was who! Completely at odds with the fight and the other judges scores except for the knockdown rounds.  Madness indeed.  Robbed.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59150 on: December 2, 2018, 08:05:46 am »
One thing is for sure billy Joe Saunders is pisssseeeddd with that decision!!!!

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59151 on: December 2, 2018, 08:38:47 am »
Wow, that was some fight. Much better than expected.

FWIW I gave Wilder 4 rounds, 2 with KDs. One even, the rest to Fury, so that's Fury by a point. I can't really argue with a draw, but a bit like Smith v Abraham it's not the result, it's that crazy Mexican scorecard.

Fury is a bit fortunate though at the same time, the referee gave him a 15 count, and like Paulie said on comms most referees would not have started the count at all. Brilliant from Fury getting up from the dead though, Wilder looked like he'd seen a ghost!

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59152 on: December 2, 2018, 08:50:31 am »
A couple of 10-8 rounds and I had Wilder edging the opening 2/3 so I don’t think the draw is the scandalous result people are making it out to be. The only scandal is that 115-111 scorecard. No chance Wilder had it so wise.

Thought Fury boxed brilliantly. Got to give him major credit for getting up from that last round knockdown. To survive such a heavy knockdown in the 12th after a slog of a 12 months for him is unbelievable. Credit to the ref as well for giving him the count, how many would have taken one look into his eyes and waved the fight off instantly?

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59153 on: December 2, 2018, 09:05:59 am »
Any recorded  replay links to the fight please lads?
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59154 on: December 2, 2018, 09:17:29 am »
Any recorded  replay links to the fight please lads?

Same here

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59155 on: December 2, 2018, 09:26:15 am »
Wilder won the fight. Fury got absolutely robbed of the sporting contest. Boxing is rigged. That's the only explanation.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59156 on: December 2, 2018, 09:28:57 am »
One thing is for sure billy Joe Saunders is pisssseeeddd with that decision!!!!

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59157 on: December 2, 2018, 09:31:57 am »
Sounds like it was a good fight.  Thought it would be.

Fury is one tough fighter, getting up from the deck in the 12th.  I'd like to see them both fight AJ.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59158 on: December 2, 2018, 09:40:06 am »
Sounds like it was a good fight.  Thought it would be.

Fury is one tough fighter, getting up from the deck in the 12th.  I'd like to see them both fight AJ.

I think Wilder might be more interested in AJ now. He took a gamble that he could catch Fury while he was still washed up, and nearly lost his golden ticket. If I was him I would cash in now instead of the rematch.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59159 on: December 2, 2018, 09:42:43 am »
Fury won the 3 of 4 of the first 4 rounds, arguably won all 4.

Had Fury winning 115 to 111 at the end of it. He clearly clearly won the fight and being the champion doesn't give you a head start. The fight should be judged round by round not in the wider context.
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