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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #480 on: January 17, 2009, 02:16:05 pm »
I remember him and Rob Jones being amazing attacking down the right with constant overlaps - problem with Steve was his shooting was fucking woeful except the odd wonder goal but he could stroll past people.

Just because people were great players doesn't mean I have to like them off the pitch and Steve like Souness doesn't impress me
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #481 on: January 17, 2009, 02:20:13 pm »
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #482 on: January 17, 2009, 02:22:40 pm »
agreed, horrible bitter blue.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #483 on: January 17, 2009, 07:01:07 pm »
we need a mcmanaman rather than the kuyt.
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #484 on: January 17, 2009, 07:02:50 pm »
This team needs McManaman! A player like him really would make the current team alot better.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #485 on: January 17, 2009, 10:43:01 pm »
This team needs McManaman! A player like him really would make the current team alot better.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #486 on: January 17, 2009, 11:37:50 pm »
                                                                         torres

                              riera                              mcmanaman                        gerrard

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i'm off to crack one off  ;D
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #487 on: January 17, 2009, 11:49:52 pm »
Good idea. Play the best central midfielder in the country on the wing and a winger in the middle.

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c'mon, we know macca played his best football in a central 3 in front of barnes and redknapp.

and we know that gerrard is the best crosser of the ball in the prem and had his most prolific goalscoring season of his career playing right midfield.

they are facts arn't they shanks1965?

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #488 on: January 18, 2009, 12:01:11 am »

c'mon, we know macca played his best football in a central 3 in front of barnes and redknapp.

and we know that gerrard is the best crosser of the ball in the prem and had his most prolific goalscoring season of his career playing right midfield.

they are facts arn't they shanks1965?

Gerrard is at his best in the free role. Macca would be moved to the right, but given some deal of freedom.

Gerrard shouldnt be on the right

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #489 on: January 18, 2009, 12:04:40 am »
Gerrard is at his best in the free role. Macca would be moved to the right, but given some deal of freedom.

Gerrard shouldnt be on the right


if you changed the name of macca and gerrard around in everything you just said then i'd agree with yer  ;D

either way, i'd be buzzing with that team.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #490 on: January 18, 2009, 12:08:02 am »
Mcmanaman in his prime was a sight to behold, I will never forget that goal against Celtic, shame he is a bit of a tosser on tv these days

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #491 on: January 18, 2009, 12:12:59 am »
One of the best players I've ever seen in a Liverpool shirt during that Roy Evans era.

If we had someone today with half the dribbling skills, trickery and creativity Macca posessed we'd be coasting the league by now.

On his day, nigh on unstopable. The amount of goals he created for Fowler was crazy.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #492 on: January 18, 2009, 12:17:14 am »
One of the best players I've ever seen in a Liverpool shirt during that Roy Evans era.

If we had someone today with half the dribbling skills, trickery and creativity Macca posessed we'd be coasting the league by now.

On his day, nigh on unstopable. The amount of goals he created for Fowler was crazy.

Just imagine

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Collymore? Really? I would rather have Litmanen or Owen presuming you are picking from the Evans era onwards. Actually I think I would rather have Titi Camara than Collymore

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #493 on: January 18, 2009, 12:18:20 am »
Mcmanaman in his prime was a sight to behold, I will never forget that goal against Celtic, shame he is a bit of a tosser on tv these days

He's been okay, not the worst pundit there is but he'll never be a great one.  He has been spot on recently though, saying that there's no reason we can't win the League and that we have a good a chance as the mancs.
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #494 on: January 18, 2009, 12:18:56 am »
wheres that barnes lad?

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #495 on: January 18, 2009, 12:19:09 am »
After an Arsenal game a few yrs ago (Mellor goal) 4 of us were heading into town in a taxi.  Macca pulled up alongside, and a few of us had a bit of a chat with him (think he was commentating that day).

Anyway, one of our number, the worst for wear, decided to interrupt the chat with a shout of 'fuck off you judas bastard'.

Macca's driver wound down the window and they fucked off.

Never been so embarrassed and the guy responsible still gets stick about it at every home game.  He claims memory loss due to the booze.

Macmanaman, along with a couple of others, was an oyster in a bed of seaweed.  Made it worth watching in those days.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #496 on: January 18, 2009, 12:20:06 am »
Collymore? Really? I would rather have Litmanen or Owen presuming you are picking from the Evans era onwards. Actually I think I would rather have Titi Camara than Collymore

Nah, picking from the Evans era and the Benitez one. I associate Owen much more with the Houllier years than Evans,

Owen only had one season under Evans, though it's a fair point that it was a better season than either of Collymore's.

Yet Stan was a brilliant foil for Fowler and I'd imagine he'd combine well with Nando.
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #497 on: January 18, 2009, 12:23:30 am »
I won't bother if you don't mind mate since I was at the majority of those games, in person, for 90 mins.  Maybe you were as well, I don't know - but your recollections are a million miles away from mine.

No disrespect here mate, but when you went to the games were you one of those that went for a piss every 10 mins or had their back to the game because you wanted to get the singing going in the Kop?
In his free role, orchestrated by Roy Evans, McManaman put himself about and run tirelessly for Liverpool. He was always the option, always available for the ball on every inch of the field. He was a far better footballer than most others through the 90's and err.. including other dross acquired by Houlier later on.

He was one of those people who you disliked but you didn't really know why. I hated seeing him interviewed, there was an arrogant side to him which I didn't want to absorb at the time because he played and worked hard for us.
Years later, my mind is happy to accept that he is a very dislikable person, to the extent of being cuntish.

But in terms of his contribution to football, my recollection is more like stormtrooper's.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #498 on: January 18, 2009, 12:31:37 am »
No disrespect here mate, but when you went to the games were you one of those that went for a piss every 10 mins or had their back to the game because you wanted to get the singing going in the Kop?
In his free role, orchestrated by Roy Evans, McManaman put himself about and run tirelessly for Liverpool. He was always the option, always available for the ball on every inch of the field. He was a far better footballer than most others through the 90's and err.. including other dross acquired by Houlier later on.

He was one of those people who you disliked but you didn't really know why. I hated seeing him interviewed, there was an arrogant side to him which I didn't want to absorb at the time because he played and worked hard for us.
Years later, my mind is happy to accept that he is a very dislikable person, to the extent of being cuntish.

But in terms of his contribution to football, my recollection is more like stormtrooper's.

At the end of the day he played a major role in Madrid's CL wins.  Cracking footballer.  We fucked up by not getting a decent fee for him when it was obvious he was going.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #499 on: January 18, 2009, 12:35:16 am »
Not got ST now but did have in 90's, got to say he stood out from the rest when in his prime  94 -96 especially.

There was that buzz every time he collected the ball and ran at the opposition cos he had ability to beat not only one man but 2,3 or more which is very rare - only player in my lifetime in red is JB.

So always respect him for that, don't know the truth of of leaving us, but apart from being knob about the owner comments he's supported us well recently.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #500 on: January 18, 2009, 12:38:33 am »
At the end of the day he played a major role in Madrid's CL wins.  Cracking footballer.  We fucked up by not getting a decent fee for him when it was obvious he was going.
Yes, but a completely different issue. If I was him I'd have flown to Spain rather than see if Leonardson was gonna find his way down the left wing or not by 4 o'clock.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #501 on: January 18, 2009, 02:09:30 am »
From wiki:

He made his debut on 14 September 2003 in the 4-1 win over Aston Villa at the City of Manchester Stadium. Unfortunately, McManaman's time at City was a disappointment.[37] A combination of niggling injuries, and the rise of an in form and up and coming Shaun Wright-Phillips saw him lose his preferred right midfield position. Off the field at City, Fowler and McManaman were caught up in a sex scandal[38] that reached an out of court settlement following a failed injunction attempt by the pair at 50,000 pounds each[39], to stop the matter from being published by News of the World

This completely passed my by! A sex scandal? Anybody know any of the gory details?

Not a pretty thought, what with Macmanamans massive orange thighs and Robbie's breathing problems. Wonder if they high fived half way through. Pretty sure I didn't read about this in Fowler's Autobiography; it would have nestled very nicely in the 'I'm A Lovely Family Guy Who Loves Family Life and Everything About Me and My Family is Lovely Chapter."

EDIT: The two soft twats roasted some poor single mother (allegedly).

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #502 on: January 18, 2009, 09:13:57 am »
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #504 on: January 18, 2009, 12:38:11 pm »

what a crock of shit.  from 94-98, mcmanaman and fowler were by far our best and most consistent players.
his energy levels on the field were a different league to every other player in the Premier League.  he was that good that the general theory around the prem was 'stop mcmanaman, stop liverpool' hence every fucker tried to man mark him.
his performance levels dropped in his last year here, i thought some of that was down to injuries he was picking up, though the more cynical round here thought it was because is head was already at barca or real.
you only have to look back at the season review videos from 94-98 and everything that we did ran through mcmanaman, he was the spark behind the majority of our creation.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #505 on: January 18, 2009, 04:22:18 pm »
GREEDY BASTARD

he is one of the two players who Liverpool nurtured from the youth team,  and they both delayed and delayed then bullshitted us supporters regarding signing the contract that was on the table,  holding out until the 10% signing on fee kicked in,  the other GREEDY BASTARD  ironically went to the same club after he done the same

burning £20 notes in a Bootle pub and taking the piss out of the fans in there is pretty low ( he was caught by a local LFC scout )

legend my arse


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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #506 on: October 30, 2009, 11:55:57 am »
Interesting topic.

To the people who do not consider him a legend. What else should he have done in your eyes for you to regard him as more than just a "good player" for us?

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #507 on: October 30, 2009, 12:08:38 pm »
Not left on a free! ;)

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #508 on: October 30, 2009, 12:11:58 pm »
burning £20 notes in a Bootle pub and taking the piss out of the fans in there is pretty low ( he was caught by a local LFC scout )

You were there that night where you? 

A legend is a player who serves the club with distinction on and off the pitch, during and after his career.  I agree a legend he isn't, but a damn fine player for us he certainly was.
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #509 on: October 30, 2009, 12:18:53 pm »
Fucking brilliant player !
I wish we had an arrogant little bastard like him in the team now !
Scored some beautiful goals too !
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #510 on: October 30, 2009, 12:23:18 pm »
Anybody who had to put up with the dross Souness brought in during his time could see that McManaman was head and shoulders above virtually all our other players. McManaman came into the team around the same time as Rob Jones and both were the type of classy, technically skilled players Liverpool has traditionally thrived on. Following McManaman's success were the likes of Fowler and Owen. Additionally, it is notable that we've spent most of the past decade trying to bring in a player who could replicate McManaman's creativity and pace on the right. McManaman was that good.

I have no qualms about him leaving for Madrid. Yes, it was a shite thing to do at the time in that it denied us a transfer fee, but Real Madrid were emerging as Europe's top club and this was at a time when playing on the continent still had a lot of pull for English players. McManaman stayed there for years and became an important part of Del Bosque's team, winning several trophies in the process. I have at lot less respect for Michael Owen. At least McManaman stayed in Madrid, soaked up the Spanish culture and assimilated well into the Spanish football environment, unlike Owen who was 'desperate to win trophies' only to run back to England and mid-table mediocrity once he thought his place in the England team was in jeopardy.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #511 on: October 30, 2009, 12:25:04 pm »
great player but a selfish man .

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« Reply #512 on: October 30, 2009, 12:26:59 pm »
my mum was stood next to the scruffy twat in the passport office yesturday.
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #513 on: October 30, 2009, 12:27:16 pm »
Played some great stuff but also some dross, he aint a legend for me
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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #514 on: October 30, 2009, 12:28:10 pm »


I have at lot less respect for Michael Owen. At least McManaman stayed in Madrid, soaked up the Spanish culture and assimilated well into the Spanish football environment, unlike Owen who was 'desperate to win trophies' only to run back to England and mid-table mediocrity once he thought his place in the England team was in jeopardy.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #515 on: October 30, 2009, 12:29:36 pm »
even though i thought he was better in a free role, just imagine him down our right side now  :P

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #516 on: October 30, 2009, 12:36:20 pm »
Great player. Some interesting info from wiki:

For his second Wembley final appearance in succession he was awarded man of the match and earned a tribute from guest of honour, Sir Stanley Matthews; one of the greatest wingers of previous generations, who exclaimed in the final: "I wish there are more dribblers like him."

By the end of 1995-96, McManaman was top of the goal assists charts in the FA Premier League with 25 assists over the season, including assists and a man of the match award in a 4–3 victory over Newcastle United, a match voted the best of the decade in a Premier League poll known as the Ten Seasons Awards.

McManaman was said to have been one of only a handful of players along with Eric Cantona and Gianfranco Zola in the league at the time known to have the panache to lift supporters from their seats each time he got the ball and managers would deploy a man-marker specifically to follow him for an entire game. Then Middlesbrough manager, Bryan Robson, was quoted at the time as saying that "everyone in the Premiership knows that if you stop McManaman, you stop Liverpool".

McManaman was also criticised for scoring too few goals, although he did make up for this with a formidable rate of assists for the likes of Robbie Fowler and later, Michael Owen, with Fowler regarding McManaman as the best player he ever played alongside. The few goals that McManaman did score tended to be spectacular or memorable - most notably an injury time solo goal against Celtic in the UEFA Cup, when McManaman scored against the 'Bhoys' after a 75 yard dribble. Other outstanding goals during his Liverpool career included goals against Aston Villa, Newscastle and scoring the winner in a match against Arsenal F.C. with a stunning volley, after which he won a PFA Player of the Month award in December 1997.

Prior to the start of the 1997-98 season, Liverpool received various bids for McManaman. Having initially rebuffed all approaches, Liverpool's board of directors, at the time including David Moores, decided that continually rejecting those bids was risky given the possibility of McManaman allowing his contract to expire and leaving on a "Bosman" transfer for nothing, and so eventually accepted a lucrative offer of £12.5 million in August 1997 from FC Barcelona. The board hoped that the club record transfer fee would help in justifying the move to the fans, many of whom viewed McManaman as the linchpin and playmaker of the side at the time. However the deal fell through, with the player's excessive wage demands being blamed for the collapse, although it was felt in some quarters that McManaman had simply been a pawn in Barcelona's negotiations to acquire Rivaldo.

Despite having been named Liverpool captain at the start of the 1998-99 season, McManaman seized the opportunity to announce his desire to play abroad. By this time, numerous European clubs were circling the soon-to-be free agent with Juventus or Real Madrid appearing the player's most likely destination. It was announced in January 1999 that McManaman was talking to Real Madrid, he told The Independent: "It was such a tough decision because I have been [at Liverpool] 12 years, but I have always stated that I wanted to play in Europe at some stage. At 27, now is the right time. Real Madrid are the European and world champions and this is a chance to test myself in a top European league."

In spite of the side only winning two trophies during his time with Liverpool, McManaman's achievements at the club were exceptional for a player in a side often labelled negatively. McManaman was named in the PFA Team of the Year for four consecutive seasons from from 1994-95 to 1997-98, and was in the five man shortlist for PFA Player of the Year for three seasons from 1995-96 to 1997-98, with the PFA website describing him as one of the most gifted players of his generation. For a time he held the record for most consecutive Premier League appearances as an ever present at Liverpool for four seasons, a club record for Most Appearances, and at the time of leaving the Premiership had the second highest ratio of Premier League assists per game, with 112 assists in 274 appearances.  As of 2009, McManaman still holds 12th position on the Premiership's All Time Assists charts. McManaman also holds the record for greatest number of assists in Liverpool history, just ahead of Steven Gerrard. On 5 September 2006, Steve McManaman was named #22 in the official Liverpool website's "100 Players Who Shook The Kop" list.

His part in Madrid's eighth European Cup win saw him become the first English player ever to win Europe's premier club competition with a foreign club.

McManaman was also twice voted as the Real Madrid supporters' favourite player at the club during his tenure, and according to El País, in 2001, fans saluted him with their 'white handkerchiefs' (as a terrace favourite) after he acrobatically scored a 'wonder goal' against Real Oviedo that year.

Arguably his second greatest moment in the white of Madrid came in the 2002 UEFA Champions League semi-final against Barcelona at the Camp Nou on 23 April 2002. In this match of monumental proportions, due to "El Classico" being a massive game in its own right, but also the fact that it was a Champions League Semi-final, McManaman appeared as a second half substitute to score a critical goal in second half injury time to secure a 2-0 first-leg advantage, cooly chipping over goalkeeper Roberto Bonano after being played in by Zindedine Zidane, who had scored the first goal on 55 minutes. This victory helped secure their place in the final of the 2002 Champions League at Hampden Park, Glasgow, where he came on as a replacement for Figo - and thereby ensuring his second Champions League winners' medal, after Madrid secured a 2-1 victory over German team Bayer Leverkusen.

According to Forbes Magazine in 2001, McManaman was listed as 6th on the list of highest earning footballers in the world and is believed to have pocketed an estimated 15 million Euros (just under £10,250,000) in his four years with Madrid. On top of the financial rewards, McManaman also became the most successful English football export to ever play overseas.


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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #517 on: October 30, 2009, 12:40:04 pm »
was a terrific player for us, one of the best we had in the 90's

he doesn't piss me off as much as he seems to some others. Legend though? probably not

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #518 on: October 30, 2009, 02:12:56 pm »
Great player and brilliant to watch. Always wanted the ball and at times was unplayable.

One of my favourite Liverpool players without a doubt. Not sure about Legend, but defo in the category below.

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Re: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????
« Reply #519 on: October 30, 2009, 02:14:57 pm »
Great player, but i think he has gone down in most people's opinions since he has become a pundit.
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