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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #120 on: May 26, 2021, 06:08:42 pm »
Did the CPS throw this on purpose?

Who knows. The fact they haven’t appealed is gross.

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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #121 on: May 26, 2021, 06:09:35 pm »
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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #122 on: May 26, 2021, 06:10:28 pm »
Good statement that.

As for what to say about all this... words fail me to be honest. I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not. My heart goes out to all of the families and friends of the 96, and I hope that one day there'll be a reckoning for those responsible, whether it's in this life or the next.

I've already said that we should do whatever it takes to put this front and centre of any plans for the Euros - the FA have not felt anything yet. They need to - and if that upsets the small-club in-ger-land brigade - then fuck em.
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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #123 on: May 26, 2021, 06:11:28 pm »
I have sent my complaint to the BBC about Adrian Chiles allowing the Goldberg twat to lie without being challenged and the record put straight. I hope the Bar Council intervenes as how can we expect any justice when QCs can go on national radio and openly lie?
But that’s literally his (Goldberg’s) raison d’être, to alter and subvert the narrative for the benefit of his paying client in criminal proceedings. It’s basically putting the C in QC and I don’t mean ‘counsel’.

What is particularly arrogant and shameful is that, in a publicly broadcast interview (state sponsored media no less), he’s directly and specifically contradicted an unquestionable finding of fact made by the 2016 inquest. If that were a court of law, he’d likely be in deep shit with the Bar Standards board for disrepute, but I suspect because a coroner/inquest doesn’t have the same process and thus weight of a judge/court, I think he’s likely in the clear there. Of course, he’d probably know that, the c*nt.
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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #124 on: May 26, 2021, 06:12:05 pm »
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Despite 164 police statements being “significantly amended” the judge believes the evidence was not strong enough to prove two ex-police officers and an ex-police solicitor perverted the course of justice.

when will this end
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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #125 on: May 26, 2021, 06:14:17 pm »
Did the CPS throw this on purpose?

Apparently not mate - they were quite forthright (for them) in their statement earlier - www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/cps-statement-hillsborough-ruling

They do certainly have a lot of questions to answer. Edit: Though this is a start - https://twitter.com/AdrianTempany/status/1398011678328037377


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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #126 on: May 26, 2021, 06:18:08 pm »
@BrianReade
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Despite 164 police statements being “significantly amended” the judge believes the evidence was not strong enough to prove two ex-police officers and an ex-police solicitor perverted the course of justice.

when will this end

Call me a conspiracy theorist - but this judgement is as much about Grenfell, Covid and Manchester Arena enquiries and protecting people as it is about this. Shameful precedent and fuck the whole legal establishment.

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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #127 on: May 26, 2021, 06:20:19 pm »
that QC in his statement bringing up the cost of the Hillsborough inquest and saying it could've been spent on hospitals or schools is so incredibly crass. I would strongly encourage all to raise that and his Radio interview with the Bar Standards Board.

The other lawyer calling it "lies, half truths, myths and rumours" with "no critical analysis or research" is equally nauseating. What an absolute knob.

Disgusting.
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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #128 on: May 26, 2021, 06:21:36 pm »
Call me a conspiracy theorist - but this judgement is as much about Grenfell, Covid and Manchester Arena enquiries and protecting people as it is about this. Shameful precedent and fuck the whole legal establishment.

It absolutely is, and I have no doubt that they will do whatever it takes to make sure that the bastards in the corridors of power never see a prison cell.

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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #129 on: May 26, 2021, 06:26:34 pm »
Call me a conspiracy theorist - but this judgement is as much about Grenfell, Covid and Manchester Arena enquiries and protecting people as it is about this. Shameful precedent and fuck the whole legal establishment.

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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #130 on: May 26, 2021, 06:26:40 pm »
I must admit I've emailed him directly. Absolutely furious. We can't let that go.

Edit:

Just got this back:

Going to send something to the Bar Standards Board. We may need to decipher that word for word - because I get the impression he's a bit of a bastard.

Something weird's going with the BBC Sounds App.

I heard his interview on the App late this afternoon (about an hour ago). I've tried to go into it right now and the shows not available? Don't know if it's related.

BBC now on Five Live saying that they've had so many complaints about it.
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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #131 on: May 26, 2021, 06:26:49 pm »
I don’t know what to say….

All I can say is that my heartfelt sorrow goes out to all of those who have suffered from Hillsborough and who have been failed time and time again
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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #132 on: May 26, 2021, 06:31:14 pm »
Call me a conspiracy theorist - but this judgement is as much about Grenfell, Covid and Manchester Arena enquiries and protecting people as it is about this. Shameful precedent and fuck the whole legal establishment.

It will certainly be noted by all involved. Outrageous.
The law as written seems pretty clear on this, hence no appeal.
But there is no denying the stench surrounding this miscarriage.
No duty of candour, my arse.

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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #133 on: May 26, 2021, 06:31:55 pm »
that QC in his statement bringing up the cost of the Hillsborough inquest and saying it could've been spent on hospitals or schools is so incredibly crass. I would strongly encourage all to raise that and his Radio interview with the Bar Standards Board.

The other lawyer calling it "lies, half truths, myths and rumours" with "no critical analysis or research" is equally nauseating. What an absolute knob.

Disgusting.

I have now sent my complaint to the Bar Council. Apparenty they promote "The highest standards of ethics, equality and diversity across the profession". My arse, I guess they will ignore it as he is one of their own.

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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #134 on: May 26, 2021, 06:32:51 pm »
BBC on Five Live now saying Jonathan Goldberg's comments on Adrian Chiles's about fan behaviour were wrong.
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« Reply #135 on: May 26, 2021, 06:33:01 pm »
Something weird's going with the BBC Sounds App.

I heard his interview on the App late this afternoon (about an hour ago). I've tried to go into it right now and the shows not available? Don't know if it's related.

BBC now on Five Live saying that they've had so many complaints about it.

What part are you looking for? The interviews outside Anfield were just after 3pm, it was on the Nihal Arthanyake show.

Edit: Just seen above post. So the stupid c*nt blurted that shit out on National Radio as well...
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Re: Hillsborough trial collapses
« Reply #136 on: May 26, 2021, 06:33:48 pm »
BBC should pull that clip from Chiles's show.

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« Reply #137 on: May 26, 2021, 06:34:00 pm »
The sad thing is that, I'm sure we all expected this kind of outcome.

Justice is not for everyone in this country.
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« Reply #138 on: May 26, 2021, 06:35:10 pm »
What part are you looking for? The interviews outside Anfield were just after 3pm, it was on the Nihal Arthanyake show.

Nah, it was on Adrian Chiles' show, the actual interview with Jonathan Goldberg was around 12.30. I've heard it already but the app isn't little play it anymore.
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« Reply #139 on: May 26, 2021, 06:47:45 pm »
Nah, it was on Adrian Chiles' show, the actual interview with Jonathan Goldberg was around 12.30. I've heard it already but the app isn't little play it anymore.
They've probably pulled it, and rightly so - I did hear the BBC presenters exacerbated by his comments

Horrible little tit of an ambulance chaser - also claimed that had they not spent the cash on the prosecution they could've built hospitals, even in Liverpool (his exact words)  :no

Can they not pursue them for their pensions in civil prosecutions ?
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« Reply #140 on: May 26, 2021, 06:52:46 pm »
Predictable kick in the balls that somehow hurts even more than anticipated. Poor families, can’t even imagine the anger and disgust they feel. I’ll bite my tongue on what I wish for the judges and the defendants.

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« Reply #141 on: May 26, 2021, 06:55:41 pm »
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« Reply #142 on: May 26, 2021, 06:58:31 pm »
Call me a conspiracy theorist - but this judgement is as much about Grenfell, Covid and Manchester Arena enquiries and protecting people as it is about this. Shameful precedent and fuck the whole legal establishment.

I don’t think there’s anything conspiracy theorist about that at all to be honest, rather a fairly likely scenario.

The whole thing utterly fucking stinks.

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« Reply #143 on: May 26, 2021, 07:03:39 pm »
I heard this as well. He made disgusting comments and allegations accusing Liverpool fans of rioting outside the stadium which led to innocent people passing away.  How he can he be allowed to get away with comments such as that.

He tells me he was merely expressing the views of his clients.
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« Reply #144 on: May 26, 2021, 07:06:18 pm »
I must admit I've emailed him directly. Absolutely furious. We can't let that go.

Edit:

Just got this back:

Going to send something to the Bar Standards Board. We may need to decipher that word for word - because I get the impression he's a bit of a bastard.

I got exactly the same response.
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« Reply #145 on: May 26, 2021, 07:06:33 pm »
He tells me he was merely expressing the views of his clients.
Is that his email to you on Twitter?
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« Reply #146 on: May 26, 2021, 07:06:49 pm »
‘Cock up, not conspiracy’ according to Goldenberg.

So what, did the coppers accidentally doctor their statements to remove criticism of the SYP?

Fucking unbelievable that this shite is still being peddled.

So was the Costa Concordia disaster, but the captain still went to fucking jail.  And fewer people died on that.
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« Reply #147 on: May 26, 2021, 07:10:36 pm »
This whole judgement completely stinks to high heaven.

Justice system my arse, nothing to do with justice whatsoever.

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« Reply #148 on: May 26, 2021, 07:15:36 pm »
So was the Costa Concordia disaster, but the captain still went to fucking jail.  And fewer people died on that.

Point is that this clearly was a conspiracy with cast iron evidence to show that.

Just because the actual disaster was due to incompetence not conspiracy doesn’t mean that there wasn’t one, as Goldberg well knows.

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« Reply #149 on: May 26, 2021, 07:16:14 pm »
They've probably pulled it, and rightly so - I did hear the BBC presenters exacerbated by his comments

Horrible little tit of an ambulance chaser - also claimed that had they not spent the cash on the prosecution they could've built hospitals, even in Liverpool (his exact words)  :no

I think they've pulled it as well. The BBC about an hour ago were explicit that what he said was wrong.

He didn't mention it was the view of his clients in his interview either as he seem to be saying now.
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« Reply #150 on: May 26, 2021, 07:18:40 pm »
But that’s literally his (Goldberg’s) raison d’être, to alter and subvert the narrative for the benefit of his paying client in criminal proceedings. It’s basically putting the C in QC and I don’t mean ‘counsel’.

What is particularly arrogant and shameful is that, in a publicly broadcast interview (state sponsored media no less), he’s directly and specifically contradicted an unquestionable finding of fact made by the 2016 inquest. If that were a court of law, he’d likely be in deep shit with the Bar Standards board for disrepute, but I suspect because a coroner/inquest doesn’t have the same process and thus weight of a judge/court, I think he’s likely in the clear there. Of course, he’d probably know that, the c*nt.


Considering the fans were cleared of wrongdoing, is what he said not libel?
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« Reply #151 on: May 26, 2021, 07:33:55 pm »
Utterly fucking shameful and disgusting. No justice in any true sense of the word. I can't even begin to fathom the hammer blow this is to the families, sickening and shameful.
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« Reply #152 on: May 26, 2021, 07:38:25 pm »
Considering the fans were cleared of wrongdoing, is what he said not libel?
Yeah, that's what I've put in an email to the BBC about that 5live interview - that surely it's libel since the supporters were exonerated in 2016 (not that they weren't before that of course !)

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« Reply #153 on: May 26, 2021, 07:44:09 pm »

'Video: Aspinall, Burnham and Rotheram press conference':-

Margaret Aspinall, Andy Burnham and Steve Rotheram offer their reaction to latest developments in the judicial process relating to the Hillsborough disaster.

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« Reply #154 on: May 26, 2021, 07:44:54 pm »
'Video: Aspinall, Burnham and Rotheram press conference':-

www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/435569-video-aspinall-burnham-and-rotheram-press-conference (a 34 minute video - free to watch)

Huge thanks for that. Will be watching later...

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« Reply #155 on: May 26, 2021, 07:50:47 pm »
Call me a conspiracy theorist - but this judgement is as much about Grenfell, Covid and Manchester Arena enquiries and protecting people as it is about this. Shameful precedent and fuck the whole legal establishment.
Spot on.

This is the reason the fuzzy-headed fat c*nt Bojo is absolutely confident about letting an inquiry go ahead into his handling of Covid. They know they can't be touched and there will be no one held accountable. I mean, this is a man who (allegedly my bollocks) said he'd have "bodies stacked high" rather than locking down again. The same reason why the victims of Ballymurphy didn't accept his pathetic excuses of an apology. These people don't care about the working class and never have done. They see crimes like Hillsborough and Grenfell as an inconvenience that they just want to go away and bat it off like they're swatting away an annoying fly. 72, 11, 96 people? What does it matter to them? It's just a number.

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« Reply #156 on: May 26, 2021, 07:55:36 pm »
There is no point in complaining to the BBC about Goldberg's comments. There is however a point in pointing out to Goldberg that his comments were wrong. Also that his interview with R5L went beyond his  defence of his clients. He didn't need to go on the radio.  I wrote to him on jonathan.goldberg@goldbergqc.com in order to complain about his attitude and spinning of lies about drunken fans . Others may want to do the same with dignity -  ie no threats.

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« Reply #157 on: May 26, 2021, 07:56:37 pm »
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« Reply #158 on: May 26, 2021, 07:58:39 pm »
Considering the fans were cleared of wrongdoing, is what he said not libel?

Although you can libel a group of people - the Liverpool Fans at Hillsborough in 1989 are likely in law not sufficiently defined as a group. It is likely any libel action will fail. No doubt Goldberg knew that.

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« Reply #159 on: May 26, 2021, 08:38:25 pm »
I cannot believe that! Absolutely heart breaking that in effect people have gotten off on a technicality. Absolutely lost for words really.

It’s utterly disgraceful this and shows our justice system is corrupt.