Author Topic: Ben “Ben” Davies signs for Liverpool (Read 72738 times)

Fromola · « **Reply #360 on:** March 18, 2021, 08:03:39 am »

Quote from: mrantarctica on March 17, 2021, 07:48:15 pm

to be honest though Alberto Moreno was the incumbent and did actually play better than usual for the beginning of that season, so until his injury there wasn't any specific reason to bring Robbo in. Robbo also wasn't brilliant from his first game, certainly better than Moreno but far from the player we then saw some time later.

In this case, JK decided to go with Rhys Williams who, despite not being a new signing, has never looked ready. So I think the two comparisons are only superficially relevant.

Yeah, I said myself after Fulham that I could understand us being cautious with Davies but Rhys Williams being picked for that game, while Davies didn't make the bench, was quite damning. Klopp has gone out of his way to avoid playing Phillips and Williams together, so it's not like they were just a more established partnership.

It's more the point that Klopp will give half a season for someone to adjust if he feels they need it, so it doesn't mean it's curtains for Davies. Rodgers, for example, used to write players off after 5 minutes sometimes and that was that. Klopp is a lot more patient.

blacksun · « **Reply #361 on:** March 23, 2021, 12:00:45 am »

I love how some of you think Klopp is going to be OK with the owners screwing with the guys career just to make at most a few million, there's no way he's going to let that happen.
Davies got a niggle when he arrived and Kablak was more experienced (at our level) and got put in and now Klopp is trying to build a partnership with Kablak and Phillips to try and see us through the rest of the season, it sucks for Davies as he may have to bide his time but there's no great conspiracy to flip a player for a few quid

Eeyore · « **Reply #362 on:** March 23, 2021, 12:37:03 am »

Quote from: blacksun on March 23, 2021, 12:00:45 am

I love how some of you think Klopp is going to be OK with the owners screwing with the guys career just to make at most a few million, there's no way he's going to let that happen.
Davies got a niggle when he arrived and Kablak was more experienced (at our level) and got put in and now Klopp is trying to build a partnership with Kablak and Phillips to try and see us through the rest of the season, it sucks for Davies as he may have to bide his time but there's no great conspiracy to flip a player for a few quid

Dominic Solanke disagrees with this post.

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #363 on:** March 23, 2021, 12:53:06 am »

Quote from: blacksun on March 23, 2021, 12:00:45 am

I love how some of you think Klopp is going to be OK with the owners screwing with the guys career just to make at most a few million, there's no way he's going to let that happen.
Davies got a niggle when he arrived and Kablak was more experienced (at our level) and got put in and now Klopp is trying to build a partnership with Kablak and Phillips to try and see us through the rest of the season, it sucks for Davies as he may have to bide his time but there's no great conspiracy to flip a player for a few quid

I locve how some people think that the Boss will pick him just because the owners decided he was cheap enough to buy in Jan

aw1991 · « **Reply #364 on:** March 23, 2021, 06:33:26 pm »

Quote from: Al 666 on March 23, 2021, 12:37:03 am

Dominic Solanke disagrees with this post.

Are you actually serious?

Drinks Sangria · « **Reply #365 on:** March 24, 2021, 09:54:11 am »

If anything, Solanke was given ample opportunity given what he was actually displaying when he was on the pitch. Klopp clearly rated him, to a point. I do remember him looking pretty decent, scoring in that final day of the season win v Brighton a few years back.

I've always said I thought he'd go on to do well and return to Premier League level. He's only 23 still and has 16 combined G+A in 32 games in the Championship, stats that suggest a Premier League level player (this is comparable/ better per 90 than people like Ollie Watkins put up in their best Championship season).

I am torn with the situation on Davies. It certainly isn't great, despite the players they were up against, to concede 5 against an attack containing Ben Woodburn (one of those players probably shows his talent better at a higher level than League One etc) and a 16 year old Gordon, regardless of his talent.

I hope he sees minutes and becomes a solid squad option. We'll see. There's not been anything to go at from interviews with him etc. Hopefully he's still champing at the bit simply based on the opportunity he's been given.

markmywords · « **Reply #366 on:** March 24, 2021, 10:54:26 am »

Quote from: Fromola on March 17, 2021, 04:52:49 pm

He barely played in his first 5 or 6 months here himself. Klopp won't throw a new signing in if he doesn't feel they're ready.

Andrew robertson started the 1st home PL game of the season in his 1st season with us, https://www.premierleague.com/match/22356

Ben Davies is in largely uncharted waters here, I can't remember an outfield player in his mid 20's being bought and being so far down the pecking order. The idea we bought him to flip a profit is plausible IMO

CraigDS · « **Reply #367 on:** March 24, 2021, 11:00:27 am »

I'd say it was fairly obvious he was bought as emergency cover, at a cheap price, with the knowledge we'd likely be able to sell him on and (at least) cover our costs.

I highly doubt he was under any illusion as to what he was being bought for either - but the prospect of the chance to play here (even if just for a short time), to experience playing for such a huge PL club under Klopp, for (prob) better pay than he'll get anywhere else - was enough to persuade him.

Clayton Bigsby · « **Reply #368 on:** March 24, 2021, 11:01:45 am »

I don't buy the flipping for a profit angle because I don't think there is enough profit to be made for it to be worth it. What do people think he would go for if we put him up for sale?

I think the highway robbery we committed re Solanke is long gone in this post covid era

CraigDS · « **Reply #369 on:** March 24, 2021, 11:04:28 am »

Quote from: Clayton Bigsby on March 24, 2021, 11:01:45 am

I think the highway robbery we committed re Solanke are long gone in this post covid era

I doubt we expected to make anything like what we did on him either.

We likely signed firstly hoping he'd come good, but I doubt anyone expected him to not do so AND we sell for £18/19m.

Sangria · « **Reply #370 on:** March 24, 2021, 01:16:23 pm »

Ben Davies is out for 3 weeks with a calf injury.

Sorry, is this the wrong forum to post the news in?

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #371 on:** March 24, 2021, 01:18:59 pm »

Quote from: Sangria on March 24, 2021, 01:16:23 pm

Ben Davies is out for 3 weeks with a calf injury.

Sorry, is this the wrong forum to post the news in?

Shouldn't this be posted in the 'Centre back continuous injury' thread?

newterp · « **Reply #372 on:** March 24, 2021, 07:17:31 pm »

It should be posted in the we will never see Ben play a competitive minute for Liverpool this season thread too!

Bobinhood · « **Reply #373 on:** March 24, 2021, 07:32:40 pm »

Hes a back up in case of further injury or Kabak/Phillips implosion because they had never played together when we bought Ben.

His very existence means Fab is going back into midfield no matter what and is why we are going to win the CL and 10 on the spin in the Prem.

He gets well paid.

Whats the issue? His career is getting a boost not the other way round.

Sangria · « **Reply #374 on:** March 24, 2021, 07:43:04 pm »

Quote from: So... Howard Phillips on March 24, 2021, 01:18:59 pm

Shouldn't this be posted in the 'Centre back continuous injury' thread?

Not really. Ben Davies plays at LB.

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #375 on:** March 24, 2021, 09:02:53 pm »

Quote from: Sangria on March 24, 2021, 07:43:04 pm

Not really. Ben Davies plays at LB.

The Tottenham Ben Davies?

I'm confused.

Elzar · « **Reply #376 on:** March 29, 2021, 06:25:58 pm »

Quote from: So... Howard Phillips on March 24, 2021, 09:02:53 pm

The Tottenham Ben Davies?

I'm confused.

I think he was being funny.

Our Ben Davies was training today

MBL? · « **Reply #377 on:** March 29, 2021, 09:25:39 pm »

With Konate potentially signing he may not even play for us which would be a bit of a shame.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #378 on:** April 7, 2021, 08:20:34 pm »

killer-heels · « **Reply #379 on:** April 7, 2021, 08:22:44 pm »

Quote from: MBL? on March 29, 2021, 09:25:39 pm

With Konate potentially signing he may not even play for us which would be a bit of a shame.

What if Davies is shit?

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #380 on:** April 7, 2021, 09:49:41 pm »

Quote from: CHOPPER on April 7, 2021, 08:20:34 pm

What’s Alisson got to do with Ben Davies?

kasperoff · « **Reply #381 on:** April 7, 2021, 09:59:42 pm »

Quote from: blacksun on March 23, 2021, 12:00:45 am

I love how some of you think Klopp is going to be OK with the owners screwing with the guys career just to make at most a few million, there's no way he's going to let that happen.
Davies got a niggle when he arrived and Kablak was more experienced (at our level) and got put in and now Klopp is trying to build a partnership with Kablak and Phillips to try and see us through the rest of the season, it sucks for Davies as he may have to bide his time but there's no great conspiracy to flip a player for a few quid

He's already doing his job. He's cover for injuries. Klopp watches him all day in training and must think Kabak and Nate are better right now.

Ghost Town · « **Reply #382 on:** April 7, 2021, 10:03:30 pm »

Quote from: CHOPPER on April 7, 2021, 08:20:34 pm

This ain't the Alisson thread, bro...

EDIT: Oh Bollocks! Jazzy Hylobates strikes!

AmanShah21 · « **Reply #383 on:** April 10, 2021, 05:36:38 pm »

I am resigned to the fact that he may not even get to make his debut for us. I think he was the emergency backup signing and we've luckily (knock on wood) managed to keep a couple of centre halves fit. The fact that Rhys gets on the team sheet ahead of him is a little worrying though. Klopp gives players a fair go and if he is below Rhys, then it is unlikely that he's making the cut in training.

bird_lfc · « **Reply #384 on:** April 19, 2021, 08:09:41 pm »

Still can’t get in the inside even with Nat injured?

AndyMuller · « **Reply #385 on:** April 22, 2021, 10:05:53 am »

Quote from: bird_lfc on April 19, 2021, 08:09:41 pm

Still can’t get in the inside even with Nat injured?

Always stuck in the outside lane is Ben Davies.

killer-heels · « **Reply #386 on:** April 22, 2021, 10:18:36 am »

Klopp's comments at the time seemed to indicate that he was a bit of a mad signing that was given to him. Probably was right that he was bought as an insurance policy just in case we didn't get a player like Kabak.

Mad though and whilst its just business I guess, it will be a bit sad if he doesn't get a move to Celtic or anyone else in the summer. I hope we don't hold out for too much money for him.

number 168 · « **Reply #387 on:** April 22, 2021, 11:01:28 am »

If he is just too bad to put into the team then prospective buyers will not want to pay much for him; if we do play him and he is awful then the same goes. Feel sorry for the guy though.

tubby · « **Reply #388 on:** April 22, 2021, 11:07:26 am »

He didn't look like a bad player, I can't imagine he's that far off the pace that he can't even be considered. Weird.

mickeydocs · « **Reply #389 on:** April 22, 2021, 11:08:26 am »

Quote from: a treeless whopper on April 22, 2021, 10:18:36 am

Klopp's comments at the time seemed to indicate that he was a bit of a mad signing that was given to him. Probably was right that he was bought as an insurance policy just in case we didn't get a player like Kabak.

Mad though and whilst its just business I guess, it will be a bit sad if he doesn't get a move to Celtic or anyone else in the summer. I hope we don't hold out for too much money for him.

Sentiment should not get in the way of good business. If we can turn a nice profit then so be it. No doubt Davies has had quite the improvement in his contract and signed with the knowledge that he was a panic signing late in the window.

Phil M · « **Reply #390 on:** April 22, 2021, 11:16:01 am »

We sign players and bed them in slowly, Robbo/Fabinho etc.

Just because he isn't involved now (just back from injury now) doesn't mean the lad doesn't potentially have a future here.

klopptopia · « **Reply #391 on:** April 22, 2021, 11:45:03 am »

I dont think we are bedding him in, we didnt with Kabak who is much younger than him and we could have played Davies since he came in, Monday as an example. Think he was a just incase/extra body who will go in the summer.

tubby · « **Reply #392 on:** April 22, 2021, 11:51:55 am »

Yeah I don't buy the bedding in thing either. He didn't have to relocate to a new country like Kabak, he was settled and he knows the game over here. Would have made sense for him to be the one to come straight in.

killer-heels · « **Reply #393 on:** April 22, 2021, 11:52:31 am »

Quote from: Phil M on April 22, 2021, 11:16:01 am

We sign players and bed them in slowly, Robbo/Fabinho etc.

Just because he isn't involved now (just back from injury now) doesn't mean the lad doesn't potentially have a future here.

Robertson and Fabinho still got some games though. He could be bedding in because we have had important games since he signed but not sure, we will have to see.

Phil M · « **Reply #394 on:** April 22, 2021, 11:54:32 am »

Quote from: a treeless whopper on April 22, 2021, 11:52:31 am

Robertson and Fabinho still got some games though. He could be bedding in because we have had important games since he signed but not sure, we will have to see.

He's had niggly injuries also it seems. I reckon we'll see him make his debut before the season ends.

DelTrotter · « **Reply #395 on:** April 22, 2021, 11:56:52 am »

Quote from: klopptopia on April 22, 2021, 11:45:03 am

I dont think we are bedding him in, we didnt with Kabak who is much younger than him and we could have played Davies since he came in, Monday as an example. Think he was a just incase/extra body who will go in the summer.

Yep, massively wishful thinking for it to be some Fabinho, Robbo story, I mean it'll be brilliant if it is but it's highly unlikely, again on Monday we preferred to fuck our midfield rather than play him against a lad he would know from the championship. Them two actually got games and Robbo was instantly so good many wondered why the fuck we were still playing Albie (who admittedly had reasonable form at the time too)

Adeemo · « **Reply #396 on:** April 22, 2021, 03:17:40 pm »

It really is a strange one because he was comfortably one of the best centre halves in The Championship and has the bonus of having a very decent left foot. I just can’t see any way that Rhys Williams is better than him, it must be down to injuries. I wonder if Klopp views him as a longer term project?

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #397 on:** April 22, 2021, 03:19:02 pm »

He should be well rested at least.

Ciara (with a capital "C") · « **Reply #398 on:** April 22, 2021, 03:23:52 pm »

I think it's also the case where the games we have been winning, haven't been by big margins so there hasn't been that kind of opportunity to give him.

I think of the games where we have been comfortable - Arsenal away, maybe Sheffield United, where we could have brought him on and given him minutes, he has been injured.

AmSeeker · « **Reply #399 on:** April 22, 2021, 06:44:06 pm »

Was he injury prone before joining us ?