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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2005, 04:13:04 pm »
Maybe it's only natural that players see themselves as 'celebrities', who do their bit as required for their public; but maintain their distance from them.  It isnt just the money; these guys know they are 'special'' from the age of 10 or 11; football is a career/way of life.  It isnt an escape from a lousy paid job/whatever. The 'game' is a business, and they will (with luck) be set for life from it.  Someone like John Aldridge, (who came late to  the pro game) has a totally different experience, cos every day he plays is a gift -. And to be at Anfield was beyond his wildest dreams. Throwing those boots to the Kop was a poignant moment; we knew he didn’t want to go, and he knew that we knew.


Thats how I see it too. I think I posted something along these lines too ages ago. They are brought up in Academies now, and slightly removed from real life, bet theyve never had to clean a seniors boot before as a yts lad,

bet some have never cleaned their OWN boots before!
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2005, 04:28:39 pm »
Fair enough Codger and Mighty_Red, but its about common decency and good manners.  Ignoring or rushing past supporters of any age, but kids especially, just isn't on.  Alright, don't break stride then, but look over, smile, wave, do some sodding thing - any sodding thing, but don't make decent people feel like idiots and disappoint kids.  There's no excuse for it - its just plain wrong.
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2005, 06:52:23 pm »
Fair enough Codger and Mighty_Red, but its about common decency and good manners.  Ignoring or rushing past supporters of any age, but kids especially, just isn't on.  Alright, don't break stride then, but look over, smile, wave, do some sodding thing - any sodding thing, but don't make decent people feel like idiots and disappoint kids.  There's no excuse for it - its just plain wrong.

Absolutely spot on Maggie. Wouldn't take much for them to acknowledge that the kids are there, even if they don't come over.
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2005, 10:04:14 pm »
Absolutely spot on Maggie. Wouldn't take much for them to acknowledge that the kids are there, even if they don't come over.


Thank you for that DBD.  :wave  Reading about your lad thinking that players would be as pleased to see him as he was them upset me a great deal - because it is so true.  So many truly believe that and its a crying shame when that doesn't happen.

And you'll note I didn't put "kids" in that last sentence. The reason is I feel so upset for Roper.  He put so much work into the Carra flag.  On  here.  Honing it until it was perfect (and it was so, and absolutely magnifient).  We all saw it and said so.  What would a glance (a stare even - going competely off the scale I suppose), some applause, a thumbs up - something for all that effort, all that time, all that care.  Surely it couldn't be all that difficult. 

Oh sod it........
« Last Edit: January 30, 2005, 02:14:04 pm by Maggie May »
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2005, 10:33:23 pm »
It's the age we live in. Athletes worldwide are in it for fame and fortune with the emphasis on fortune. They pay "lip service" to the fans regardless of which sport we're referring to. Here in America the three major sports have been plagued by player strikes through the years. They think nothing of the hard working fans who pay ridiculous sums of money to see them do their thing. All that matters to them is their own selfish interests (in other words, "I, Myself, Me"). This is what sport has become.

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2005, 10:41:06 pm »
hate this post - simply because it is so good and forces me to realise that what i feel & fear is actually true = that the footballers of today simply don't give a flying fuck.  yes there is exceptions but by and large they're not interested.

if i was good enough to play football there is only one club in the world i would want to play for, if i was lucky enough to play for them, let alone be captain and be looked upon as a hero and as one of them/us - the fans - i would never consider leaving......

scenario sound familiar?

not the place to look at one specific individual but you get the picture.  two sides to every story i know, but as a Red there should only be one outcome - Pride, Passion & Desire for that Red shirt.  the one that countless fans feel proud of when they put it on, that they take special care of their shirt.  even to this day i still take special care of all my LFC stuff - my top gets washed special (not bunged in with all the other mundane shite), immediately hung up to dry (not like the rest that can sit in the basket for 2 days before i would stick it on a dryer).  my scarf - neatly folded, placed on a shelf, always with the Liverbird facing up...  thats how much i take pride in the Liverbird - how much pride do the players take?

my outlook on football changed with the events of the summer (like many other Reds i'm sure) - THAT situation is well documented but still i'm baffled.  How could one of us even consider it?  would you suddenly decide to support another team?

due to limited finances and having developed a particular fancy to following the Reds on their travels my match-days have become restricted, haven't worked it out but i'm sure the amount of money i spend following the Reds in comparision to my wages would be enough to send my bank manager and financial advisor (if i had either) round the bend not to mention the fact that my spare time is spent solely on the Reds, and you then see some fucking gutless displays at times, i can accept being outclassed but i cannot accept being out-fought.  if a player hasn't the desire they can fuck off.  i would love for the players to see what scarifices fans make in their effort to go the game - how many of us scrimp and save to be able to watch them for 90mins, and then go in a belter of a foul mood for days on end cause the team have played shite.  that our family & friends know not to speak to us if the Reds haven't performed to the expected level.  that you can sit beside your mate on a journey home after the game not uttering a word but yet nothing exactly what the other is thinking, at the despair or on the flipside, the pure euphoria (for want of a better word) when we do the business, olympiakos - i was so proud that i was on the verge of tears as i bounced around like a fucking madman on the Kop in an embrace with my Dad, wee Bro and other random strangers

before the mancs game we were in Main Stand near Cisse, Mellor et al.  wee Bro approached Mellor who happily chatted and got his mate to take a picture of him with my wee Bro - made my Bro's day.  the fact that he will treasure that 1 or 2 mins spent in the company of a Liverpool player... fair play to Mellor that day but it just goes to show how easy it is for them to make a lad's day/week/month/year(s) become so much brighter.  yes there is many of us and only few of them - but surely that goes even futher to show what a privelged postion they are in...

we don't support Liverpool, we live Liverpool - just a pity that those who 'represent' us don't seem to understand

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2005, 03:57:55 am »
Crackin' posts Roper.

I just  wish I didn't agree with them

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2005, 12:36:00 pm »
Great posts lads.As my dad says about modern professional footballers 'they're all mercenarys, they'd be off in the morning if someone offered them more money'.Its sad and we don't want to know this but its the truth.We want the players to feel the same joy and pain as we do when we win or lose.Only for the fans paying high ticket prices and a fortune on merchandising and subscribing to Sky to see the games they wouldn't have all the money they have.I know you can't tar all players with the same brush but they earn so much money and live in mansions away from ordinary people that they lose touch with them.

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2005, 01:54:51 pm »
Great great post!

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2005, 09:16:16 am »
Brilliant post, remember when me Auntie got a job temping as a Secretary for the Soliciters where Brucie went when all the match fixing allegations came out. She told him about me being a massive reds fan, and sure enough, reappeared three days later with a massive reds poster in the Candy kit with ALL the players signatures on. Every f**king one, Barnes, Rush, The King himself. That's still on my wall back home 13 (I think) years later, and it still pisses my dad off to this day.

Anyway, saw those The Times adverts the other day, and the Footy one with Gaby Yorath and Andy "YOU BEAUTYYY" Gray came up. If you havent seen it Gray basically tries to justify players extortionate wage demands on the basis that 1) "American Baseball players get more" and 2) "They are entertainers, why shouldnt they be paid a fortune?" That second point hit it home. Football today is seen as entertainment, not as a way of life. Football is something to experience, not something you live. "Experience the Barclaycard Premiership". No thanks, i'd rather eat, sleep, breathe and most importantly watch Liverpool, i just hope a couple of those purchased souls on the pitch before me have a fraction of what me and you feel for the club in em.

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #50 on: February 1, 2005, 01:48:52 am »
Great posts! I was at Anfield a couple of years ago with the wife and my two sons to see us play Spurs.  The game was awful, brightened up only by a fine left foot drive into the corner by Jari Litmannen to give us a one nil win (if memory serves) After the game we milled about a bit and ended up setting off for the car just as the players were leaving so we hung around to see them.  About fifty or so people were there and Kirkland and Dudek both signed some autographs, Ronnie Moran walked off down the road smiling and other players trickled out and jumped into there flash motors and drove away, many without a word or a wave. Then, out steps Gary Mcallister.  The fans shouted for him so sign some autographs as they had with the others. He waved and said hang on a minute, walked around to the boot of his car, put a bag in and took off his jacket. He then spent about ten minutes signing everyones' program and posing for photos, one of which is with my two sons and hangs on my wall now.  He then thanked everone and left. 

On another matter I wish Danny Murphy was still a Liverpool player, he always seemed a committed red and although maybe wouldn't make the first choice midfield when everyone is fit I think he would be a far better option than the likes of Biscan, Luis Garcia, Nunez and possibly Hamman.

 

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #51 on: February 1, 2005, 02:41:48 am »
Good post roper, agree with a lot of that.

Had the pleasure of visiting Melwood a couple of weeks ago, thanks to some tickets from a Rawkite. Took my little brother, who is 12, my Dad told him he wasn't going to school that morning cos he had a doctors appointment... "but I'm not sick".. he said!

Needless to say he couldn't believe his eyes when we drove into Melwood and he walked through the doors like a VIP. Even waiting in the foyer for the rest of the group... he was glued to the window waiting for a glimpse of any players driving in in their cars.

We had a tour around, and then sat in the cafeteria in a sectioned off bit for visitors. A few players were in there, getting breakfast, playing table tennis, watching sky sports news highlights of the fantastic Olympiakos game the night before. After that result, you'd think they'd all be made up- half of them looked gutted  :-\

Even though there were only a few of us, and we were inside Melwood on official tours, I felt a bit invasive. Kept telling James to sit down and wait- he'd get autographs later... the guides were saying they'd "try" and get them to come over but not to pester them.... then I thought.. FFS... my brother was the only kid on the tour... why shouldn't he be milling around the room with his idols... all he wanted was a few scribbles and a couple of photos with them. He waited for the whole morning at the edge of the sectioned off area near the door, and shouted every player as they came past. His hero is Johnny Riise, who spent the whole morning playing table tennis about 3 feet away, my brother waiting, hoping on every crap shot so he could collect the ball and pass it back! Kept shouting him but Riise just ignored him.

I had a word with one of the guides- who told me that Riise was a bit of a miserable nark. I told him if my brother could only go home with one photo today, it would be of Riise, so could they go and tell him to come over. They did, and he eventually came, signed, posed and went... 2 mins  that's all... and my brother's day had been made.

Of all the players, the younger lads (warnock, welsh) were more than happy to spend 5-10 mins standing around signing anything and everything, photo after photo... the other players who were around did all stop for photos, some didn't have time to sign things. Baros was nice, seemed genuinely arsed about making sure people had the right picture, that autographs were signed in the right place etc.  Gerrard stopped for photos... but the one I have of him he's got a right gob on! And he'd just scored the winner against the greeks only 12 hours earlier! 

All in all, it's a day that my brother will never forget, I can't say that any of the players snubbed/ignored him, so he was made up. However, sentiments of roper's post with some of them... they were there, but half-hearted and arrogant- just need reminding now and then who it is who makes them so popular in the first place.

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #52 on: February 1, 2005, 03:36:30 pm »
"leon Ttotsky was killed in mexico by a pick ake through the head unfer the orders of Joeseph Stalin. He had been hiding there for years"

Trotsky wasn’t excatly in hiding. But he had been thrown out of the USSR, and by the late 30s had run out of places that would let him in.  He knew the GPU were trying to kill him - cos they'd already had a go at it.
Eventually they got a guy to infiltrate his house posing as a sympathiser.  And then he was stabbed one day as he wrote the words : "life is beautiful…"

And it was an ice-pick:  - rather easier to conceal!


Getting back to the autographs/time spent thing.

I dunno: DO the club advise them not to spend too much time on this stuff?   Still think it may be just a question of what they feel; is OK.  If one stops, then the rest would feel obliged to; maybe that is why they don’t break ranks.  Still don’t seem right tho.

It's not just footballers and it's not just today:  If you've seen any of the doccys about the 'Bodyline' Tour of Oz by the England cricket team, in 1931 (?), you may have heard the story of one young lad who parked himself in front of the players, as they were about to walk across the ground to the Pav.

" Can I carry your bag please Mr Jardine?  (To the MCC captain, and ex-Harlerquin). 

Few would be surprised to learn the arrogant *** just blanked the kid  But the fast bowler (another ex-public schoolboy!) just smiled and handed the lad his bag.  He marched away alongside the pair of England Test cricketers in front of 50,000 Aussies. It was a lifetime's memory for a schoolboy: a moment's courtesy for a sportsman.  Jardine WAS a hard ***; but that's what it took to win the Ashes. And (as an 'amateur') he wouldn’t have made a penny from it.

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2005, 11:01:16 pm »
i grew up in a socialist world, me ma would have us delievering Labour party leaflets door to door every election, and with our scorrish ancestry, the 60s and shanks all made sense, I identified with the boys in red and none more so than Emlyn, when I played for the local side , I was Emlyn, and id kill yer if you tried to wear MY no 6 shirt... then the glory years , and in the 8às after heysell  I drifted away , went abroad , like something had broken , But Liverppol was always there , marriages , career, health came and went , went and came, rise and fall, but Liverpool always there,

only recently have I felt the depth of my love return , fresh , but its difficult to see them as heroes, I truly believed my Reds of the 60s , 70s and 8às would play for the love of the game , for the team, my LFC....but now, as "fast-food living" lifeystyles that care for no one, selfish exploitation, rips the care for the fellow human being apart, its hard to believe, I spent the last 10 years doing charity work , but found the more you give the more is taken,

I forked out some hard earned cash for a replica shirt, tempted to put a name on the back , but then chose my own name, as I thought  to myself, "I will be probably be here long after they have gone !" but made a sort of compromise to chose the No 5 as I like Baros s "have a go" attitude...

i still get nervous before a game, it still ruins my week if we lose, and im made up when we win...still a bloody big kid  when it all comes down to it, I ll ve in the red at the bank too, just in the hope of us beating those representatives of all thats wrong in Cardif,

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2005, 12:34:42 am »
Good article Andy,

Can I add an auld arses view….

Back in the 60’s we played a strange thing called the English game.
We lined up 1-2-3-5. We had two forwards (inside-left and inside right) who’d play off the centre forward and bolster the midfield when required… but mostly we attacked with 5. We battered teams into submission.

Then came Europe and we realised that the English game wouldn’t always win; So we played the European way for those occasions and we were successful… but we forgot the English way.

You don’t score goals by defending- and you can’t win a game solely by defending.

We had players who earned bloody good money but who had to earn some of it. Lose and you earn less- don’t make the 1st team and you earn less- I think it used to be called motivation.

Some greedy old gits like StJohn have forgotten how flush they were on the good money they earned in their day. But today we pay wanna-be's mega bucks when they haven’t “arrived” yet

Two recent things brought it home to me…. Ashley Ward got burgled- the papers described him as Multi-millionaire footballer Ashley Ward. How the hey is he ever worth that sort of money.
ManU v Exeter….. the best paid player of Exeter only earns £1k per week ….. Grief they are non-league

Wish someone would pay me £1k, £5k £10k a week -for just being there- I can do that gis-a-job.


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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2005, 08:25:59 pm »
It's the age we live in. Athletes worldwide are in it for fame and fortune with the emphasis on fortune. They pay "lip service" to the fans regardless of which sport we're referring to. Here in America the three major sports have been plagued by player strikes through the years. They think nothing of the hard working fans who pay ridiculous sums of money to see them do their thing. All that matters to them is their own selfish interests (in other words, "I, Myself, Me"). This is what sport has become.

In America the players have a right to get as much money as they want.This is the free market that the US was built on.

Players are only on a pedestal because it is the fans that put them there.
If we ignored them or didn't give them our hard earned money they would soon come down to earth.
With all the money that has been brought into the game since 1992- you wouldn't mind if the facilities were good, tickets were cheap and the club was financially secure for the long term future.But that is not the case.Despite the billions in the game-a new stadium could put the future of our club in financial doubt.So where has all this money gone ?
Right into the players pockets.
The 1986/87 team earned 2,000 a week-by 1996 it was 35,000 a week.

Perhaps we should stop singing player's names as the first step.

The players are nothing without us.

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2005, 12:26:24 pm »
Just read this back for the 1st time since I read it.....and it hurts to say that I think ive summed my feelings up perfectly. :(

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2005, 01:34:52 pm »
Isn't football a funny old game...

Thank you to Liverpool Football Club for turning a cynical old supporter into one filled with much pride in our City, our people and each and everyone of our players.
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2005, 10:02:09 am »
Well.  I do have heroes.  Every single one of us who went, and every single one of us who watched at home, at bars, at clubs, at everything.  Who willed us, shouted and screamed for us, who never gave up, yes, faltered, (because we are only human), but believed.

We are the only heroes left in the game.  We were and always will be.



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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2005, 10:32:37 am »
Well.  I do have heroes.  Every single one of us who went, and every single one of us who watched at home, at bars, at clubs, at everything.  Who willed us, shouted and screamed for us, who never gave up, yes, faltered, (because we are only human), but believed.

We are the only heroes left in the game.  We were and always will be.

Perfectly put Maggie, as always

I felt so proud of my team on Wednesday night and I've never hugged or been hugged by some many men and women in my life...everyone associated with The Reds on Wednesday are heroes.
If Kenny Dalglish had simply played football for Liverpool he would be an Anfield hero. However, the fact that he managed the club to even greater success guarantees him the status of a legend.

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2005, 10:46:27 am »
Thank you lovely lad.  When you are sitting there, in shock, the balls of steel is takes to rise up, as one, and sing YNWA.  And then chant 4-3 is something else again.  And whatever spin the hacks want to put on it doesn't matter.  They weren't among it, didn't feel the raw passion, the defiance against all the odds, their hearts didn't swell.  To rise up and do that.  Then.  That's what makes heroes.
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I can only be nice to one person a day.  Today is not your day.  Tomorrow doesn't look too good either.
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2005, 11:02:19 am »
Thank you lovely lad.  When you are sitting there, in shock, the balls of steel is takes to rise up, as one, and sing YNWA.  And then chant 4-3 is something else again.  And whatever spin the hacks want to put on it doesn't matter.  They weren't among it, didn't feel the raw passion, the defiance against all the odds, their hearts didn't swell.  To rise up and do that.  Then.  That's what makes heroes.

Perfectly put. YNWA. It can be a four letter acronym bandied around carelessly or each carefully chosen word  can reflect your personal values, character, courage of conviction, loyalty and your chosen view of how you live your life. On Wednesday we showed the whole our mettle, to rise up and sing like that at that moment is all about character and spirit.

An yes for once it was nice to be rewarded with a win as well!!!!!




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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2005, 11:28:32 am »
Oh yes.  Plenty of heroes.  From the young guard (just tiddlers really) who stood on their seats but were neverthless very concerned (and kept checking) that they weren't blocking my view.    To the old guard above and below me, who cried, with us, at the end, our arms wrapped around each other, unashamed tears falling down our faces, saying "We've waited 20 years for this".  To my beloved Mr May.  We've been together through all the glory and all the sorrow.  And we never stopped believing.  Never doubted the good times would come again.  That the tiddlers would know the glory.  To know what it really feels like.  To be a part of the great adventure.  To be one with it.  To be a hero.
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Offline campioni1984

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2005, 01:26:16 am »
I think there were a few on that open top bus,who look up on US as their heroes.
And is right as well.
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2005, 12:33:25 am »
I am afraid that it all comes down to an old-fashioned word – etiquette.

Footballers need to be taught the etiquette of how deal with fans. We all recognise that they cannot be expected to sign every single programme that is thrust in front of their faces, nor should they be hounded every moment of their waking lives by idol-worshipping supporters, but some basic understanding how to show consideration for others does need to be taught.

I say this needs to be taught, because most systems of good manners need to be taught. Sure, there are what used to be called “nature’s gentlemen” but these remain few and far-between.

The etiquette of dealing with fans is probably counter-intuitive to many anyway. Perhaps the failure to acknowledge supporters’ efforts whether waiting for hours in the cold and wet or by making a superb flag is meant less as a snub than because of worries about “acting the part of the big star”.

On a simple level what should supporters expect?

It does not seem unreasonable for footballers to wave to fans who have waited around for a long time to see them or to give them a smile. (It depresses me that at Anfield the players are off-loaded from the bus in such a way that it seems they are more like spies at a convention than a famous team arriving among loyal supporters, and most players at away grounds walk past lines of fans as though they were not there.)

There is no reason why players cannot sign the odd autograph, particularly for children to whom such a gesture has an importance out of all proportion to the effort involved.

If fans can be bothered to sing the praises of a particular player or to prepare a flag in his honour it would seem incumbent upon that player to find an opportunity to recognise this by any small gesture. After all when one is complimented it is the height of bad-manners to ignore the compliment.

Bearing in mind the huge amounts of money our footballers are paid, it would do them little harm to employ a secretary to make sure that every fan letter receives an answer. It is probably unreasonable to expect popular players to deal with massive mail bags, but every letter deserves some sort of acknowledgement. If even the royal family (heaven help us) can do it, so can footballers.

The unexpectedly human touch goes a long way. We only have to think of Rafa in the bar, or of the behaviour of Shankly. These unexpected touches can create legends.

Why should we expect players to behave with courtesy towards their fans?

                 We are LFC
                 It helps to make people feel valued
                 It creates a kinder, more civilised club
                 Because we should not forget that it is at heart a football CLUB not a company
                 Good manner cost little
                 Perhaps out of their own self-interest – one kind action or generous piece of behaviour is soon broadcast among a large number of people, creating respect and affection. Far more people than were ever touched by the original courteous action will view the player in a very positive light, possibly for the whole of their career. Respect and affection in the stands is earned not only from being a good player; it is earned where the supporters see a genuine human being. It should hardly need saying, but the closer the supporters feel to the players the more likely they are to support them both on and off the pitch and to give their loyalty to them. How much loyalty do most of us feel towards many of our pampered, aloof superstars?

Living a long way from Liverpool now and being able to attend few matches, I have attended matches from a side that has alternated between the two lower divisions.  Some of these players have no difficulty finding a few seconds during the warm up to sign three or four autographs.

It is probably worth quoting from The Shankly Years for those who do not know the story remembered by Barry Farrell.

Negotiations were complete and Shanks was showing Willie (Stevenson) around Anfield. One incident sticks in my memory. Shanks stepped out of a car with Willie and they were about to enter the players’ entrance. There was a small group of wide-eyed Liverpool kids waiting by the entrance pens ready, hoping to obtain the autographs of any of their heroes who might happen to pass by. Willie went to walk into the entrance when Shanks exclaimed, “Willie, son! You’ve forgotten something.” Liverpool’s latest acquisition looked bemused as he wondered what his new boss was talking about. “You’ve forgotten something, son,” Shanks repeated. Willie was still none the wiser. “Willie, son, go and sign the children’s books,” Shanks quietly ordered. Willie looked relieved and was only too happy to comply with his manager’s wishes. It may appear an insignificant incident, but it gives an example of how Shankly was eager to display to a new signing that the Anfield brethren, whether young or old, come first.

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2005, 12:38:07 pm »
Absolutely excellent post NeilMac.  Very well said.  :wellin :wellin :wellin
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2005, 03:03:00 pm »
Totally agree about etiquette. How hard is it to sign a few autographs for kids who will treasure that same autograph for the rest of their lives.
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2005, 10:25:22 am »
I've had good and bad experiences I suppose. I think when players are out of the football arena, they're a lot more relaxed. If you get them going into the ground, or going out or whatever, they're a lot less likely to respond.

My bad experience was with Ian Rush, and I've told it plenty of times on here before. It was years ago, when he was still playing for us. I'd been to an international at Wrexham that my Dad had got free tickets for, Wales v. Sweden. We had players lounge passes and we were in there after the game. We were talking to a lot of the players, and they were sound - in particular Neville Southall, who went round everyone, posing for pictures with kids and stuff. Of course, the man I was there to see was Rush. Had to wait ages for him and when I finally plucked up the courage to go and ask for his autograph he was at the bar. Went over and asked him, and he turned his hand round and scribbled his name, barely even looked at me.

That's been balanced out though. I used to work in Tesco in Allerton, and we'd get quite a few players in. They'd usually always be happy to sign autographs for any kids that wanted them, and I'd always say hello and they'd always respond, usually have a bit of a chat. As far as I can remember, I've met Hyypia, Hamann, Igor, Milan, Gary Mac, Henchoz, Westerveld, Babbel. Must be a couple more I've forgotten. The best by far was Pegguy Arpexhad (no idea if I've spelt it right), he used to stop and chat for ages every time he was in, absolutely top fella. Diouf used to come in quite a bit as well, and he was a bit annoying, we always had to tell him to move his car from the pickup point. To be fair to him though he was sound to my little brother, signed an autograph for him and said hello and stuff.

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2005, 04:35:13 pm »
Good posts from many.

So much has changed from the 'old' days, there is no comparison. Players have to be very focused/psyched up for games and avoid any distraction. Also, the sight of a large group of hungry looking fans can be intimidating at close quarters, its hard to face a 'mob'.

I think if the players met a small group of fans they would take time to share a moment.
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #69 on: August 6, 2005, 04:31:19 am »
Another good reason to come and visit RAWK.

I live some 10,000 miles away in KL and I would almost never have the chance to meet these football heroes. The only time I get to see them is on the telly on weekend evenings, holding my breath whenever the opposition takes a corner. How I wish I could go and watch the game alongside you lucky people every week.

From reading, I can perhaps deduce that Milan would jump at the chance to go to Barca if it ever came but he definitely had not forgotten about the hundreds or thousands who chant "Meelan, Meelan!" week in and week out. Thus as long as he still wears the Liverbird on his chest, he would give his 100% for the club and honour the effort of those who 'made noise' about starting him during the GH regime.

It's so hard to comment when you only get to see them for 90 minutes once a week on the telly...  :-\

Same here mate, I guess that per haps in England the players gets scrutiny over every step they take and every little thing they do, which makes them think twice in doing or not doing it.
One thing I'd like to point out wat that you lot are lucky in being able to see them in real life. The only thing I ever come close to see them are the 90 minutes they play and when the camera had a close up of them when they take a corner, throw in...
Hoever, I did have the pleasure of meeting some of the past legends when they were down in KL for a match against Flamengo (or was it? don't really remember)a couple of years back.
A pub me and my friends are regulars were hosting them for dinner and we were invited, I clearly remember taking the KL version of the tube, th Light Rail Transit (LRT) to the nearst station after work before taking a bus to the pub, I must've looking like an idiot as I had tears in my eyes all the way, imagine a grown man in a tube with shirt and tie and tears in his eyes, balling out (not really balling, but close). The thought of meeting these legends were just too exciting for me for me be emotional about it.
When we were there, there not much until they came in and had dinner before we had drinks together, I remember having a good chat and drinks with Alan Kennedy, Barnes, Bruce Grobbelaar (who were a great laugh), Michael Thomas (whom I gave lots of stick for scoring THAT goal against us and joining us the very next season), Roy Evans (who told me " Son, every man on the street and in the pub had their own team and idea on who should be picked and  who should be played, the difference between yours and mine is that mine was put to the test, yours weren't and will never be", wasn't too happy about it but very true).
It was truely an experience for me, after reading all the posts about the experience of Istanbul and other games days, it makes me determine to save up and pop by for a game or two, and of course visit Anfield and kiss the famous ground (I heard you're not allowed to do it, is that so?).
I just hope that when I'm there I'll get at least am acknowledgement from the players, that'll bring me balling again.
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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #70 on: August 7, 2005, 12:43:59 pm »
ok

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Re: No more heroes left in the game
« Reply #71 on: August 7, 2005, 05:06:58 pm »
Brilliant post. Sadly I agree

I love my club but too many times I find myself asking Who on that pitch knows what it means to us fans? Who on that pitch has EARNED THE RIGHT to wear a red shirt?

Playing for Liverpool FC is an HONOUR and giving a red shirt to anyone who does not believe that, is an insult to all our heros who went before.