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The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« on: August 8, 2014, 10:50:30 pm »
The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15

This is a continuation of the last three APLT threads which ran over the last three seasons and can be found here:
2011-12 http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=278916.
2012-13 http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=296309.0
2013-14http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=306705.0

For those of you who are new to the APLT, or those who need a reminder of the model, the APLT makes an assumption that in order to win the league title, a team needs to win 90 points for the season.  This can be achieved by winning all home matches, the seven ‘easiest’ away matches (the three promoted teams and the 14th-17th ranked teams from the previous season) and draw the 12 remaining away matches.  I refer to these as the ‘par results’.  As in golf, par will be achieved more often than not, but sometimes points are dropped or gained in relation to par.

The fixture list below for the top six teams (and Man Utd) indicates the ‘hardest’ matches which are all par 1s, with the remaining fixtures all par 3s.



Over the season, I will plot the results in relation to par for all the teams featured on a graph (an example of last season’s completed graph is below).  If a team plays to par, the line on the graph will be horizontal, whereas dropped points will lead to a negative gradient and gained points a positive gradient.



The green depreciating line reflects a drop of 0.5 points per game (dropping to 19 points below par by game 38) to illustrate a 71 point season, a reasonable estimation of the points needed to achieve a top four finish.  Any team with ambitions to finish top four needs to be above this green line by the end of the season.

I’ll do my best to keep this up-to-date as best as possible as the season progresses and I hope it illustrates the impact of results on our season.


Edit - this excellent post from Nessy is well worth reading if you are new to this....

It's early days, but there have already been some interesting developments in the APLT. As always, thanks to Prof for setting the whole thing up and doing such excellent work.

I thought I'd put together a few thoughts on what we can see already, with an eye to any new readers, or anyone still a bit confused by the whole thing. It's a long one, but you'll like the bit at the end, I promise.

As we know, the aim is to win all home games and the seven easiest away matches, drawing the remainder. This gives 90 points and, usually, the league title.

The emphasis is strongly on winning games (a team playing exactly to par all season will win 26 out of 38 games that's more than 2/3) while losing can result in a loss of 1 or 3 points. If you are going to lose a game then, the logic of the APLT suggests, it's better to lose a "Par 1" game than a "Par 3" one.

This flies in the face of the usual way the title race is portrayed, with games between title rivals often held up as "six pointers". In fact, a loss away to a title rival is far less damaging to the team's ambitions than a loss to a team lower down the league. This is because in the APLT, each team is playing towards an ideal points total, rather than engaging in the "first past the post" title race portrayed by the traditional table, so what your rivals do is less important than how you are performing, which is good, because your own performance is largely under your own control, while your rival's performance isn't. (Look how we came unstuck last season when we started chasing down that daft goal difference vs Palace, for instance.)

So let's have a look at the results so far. On the one hand, this is too small a sample (less than 10%) of the entire season to really tell us a great deal about the destiny of the title. On the other, it's a small enough number of games played for us to be able to easily look at the whole picture.



Chelsea's opening games were
Burnley (a) Par 3
Leicester (h) Par 3 and
Everton (a) Par 1.

By winning all 3, Chelsea have got off to the perfect start. Meeting par in the opening pair of fixtures and beating Everton to give themselves 2 in the bank. For the remainder of the season, Chelsea now need to play marginally below par to ensure the league title. It's a very slight variation at the moment.

Their next two fixtures are
Swansea (h) Par 3 and
Manchester City (a) Par 1.

Beat Swansea and lose to City and they would still be a point ahead of the game.



Liverpool are the only APLT team to have played two par 1 matches already. The opening fixtures of
Southampton (h) Par 3
Man City (a) Par 1 and
Tottenham (a) Par 1
have a par score of 5 points. Despite losing to title rivals Man City, the win over Tottenham was enough to give the club an overall swing of +1 over the two games.

Again, at this stage, this is a very marginal advantage and while you can say LFC now apparently have an easier remaining schedule than any other club in the APLT, with just ten par 1 games left to everyone else's eleven, it's equally true to say that we have one fewer chance to get an above-par result.

The next two fixtures for the reds are
Aston Villa (h) Par 3 and
West Ham (a) Par 1.

3 points from those two games would have us on title winning form from the first 5 games, but the team will see it as a chance to put more points in the bank to hedge against the tougher matches to come.



Manchester City began with a run of
Newcastle Utd (a) Par 1,
Liverpool (h) Par 3 and
Stoke City (h) Par 3.

Despite winning the first two games, the home loss to Stoke was a serious blow. This raises one of the interesting aspects of the APLT; ALL home games are must-win matches, regardless of opposition. And while their win over Liverpool cost the reds a point, their home defeat to Stoke means Man City dropped 3 and now sit below us.

The moral is clear: in the APLT at least, it is better to lose a game away to a rival, than at home to a lower side.

Of course, no-one would say this means Man City are out of the title race just yet, they have a chance to pick up 2 points in their next match away to Arsenal Par 1 before the visit of Chelsea to Eastlands Par 3.



Metrocentric Fixture Fact: Tottenham's league campaign has yet to leave London. Their opening game away to West Ham Par 1 was followed by two home games against
QPR Par 3 and
Liverpool Par 3.
While their start could not have gone better, the 2 points they gained down the road at West Ham were wiped out as they capitulated to Liverpool, their natural superiors.

The APLT is merciless to teams who cannot make a fortress of their home ground. For every game lost at home there is a 3 point deficit to make up. As there are only 12 par 1 matches, and only 2 points over par available from each, it soon becomes necessary to start winning away at some very tough grounds.

I've mentioned earlier that some teams could use "points in the bank" as a hedge against tougher fixtures ahead, and Tottenham could find that truer than most as the season goes on, with the end of their season featuring four Par 1 games (Newcastle United, Southampton, Stoke City and Everton) in their last six matches.

Spurs next two matches are
Sunderland (a) Par 3 and
West Brom (h) Par 3.

Which means the best they can possibly do after five games would be -1.



The four teams covered so far may or may not make up the final "top four" but as it stands, they are the only sides on course for a Champions League place. There is no exact Par basis for getting into the top 4, but the model predicts that sides who gain 71 points should make those places.



Arsenal now sit half a point below the 71 point line. This early on, of course, this is no crisis, and it will be a long time before we know if they can put together their annual threat of a title charge. So far they've had
Crystal Palace (h) Par 3,
Everton (a) Par 1 and
Leicester (a) Par 3.

They started off with a credible win at Palace and a Par-perfect point at Goodison Park, only to undo all the good work with a draw away to Leicester.

The APLT discriminates between drawing at the ground of a top 13 club, and drawing elsewhere. For a visit to a club that finished the previous year in the top 13, a draw is generally a good result. (Because teams do not play themselves, there are 12 such games each season and so 12 Par 1 matches.) So while Arsenal drawing with Everton was a good result, drawing with Leicester was costly.

Their next two games are
Man City (h) Par 3 and
Aston Villa (a) Par 3

It is of course, possible that Leicester could end the season in the top 13, and should they (or anyone else) look like doing so, there will be the usual calls for the table to be redrawn, or the par totals changed. This won't happen, as it would mean different teams would end up with different ideal (par) totals over the season.

Alternatively, the table could be redrawn retrospectively, to take account of the new positions. Again, this won't happen. The only logical time to do this would be at the end of the season, when there is little reason to do it as the APLT is identical to the traditional table at that point. Also, it would spoil the experience of following the table if suddenly it was changed after the event.

The model is not perfect, but it works well to illustrate many things and has run quite smoothly for several years so suggestions for "improvements" need to be a) original and b) really impressive, to be taken seriously.




Our esteemed neighbours Everton began the season with bold talk of a raid on the top four places. For a team that finished 5th last season, it seems a reasonable target, at first glance. And with as generous an opening set of fixtures as you could ask for, optimism was high around Goodison when they set off for their opening games of
Leicester (a) Par 3,
Arsenal (h) Par 3,
Chelsea (h) Par 3.

Their next two are
West Brom (a) Par 3
Crystal Palace (h) Par 3

And here comes a common criticism of the APLT. Because of the absolute need to win all home games, there is no accounting for the strength of the opposition in home matches. So back to back games against Arsenal and Chelsea are deemed as must-win games. Everton's actual results in these matches; drawing away to Leicester, scraping a home point v Arsenal and losing a veritable goal fest to Chelsea 6-3; in isolation, none of these look like terrible results.

The APLT is a cruel mistress and sees a return of just 2 points from a Par 9 series of games as very poor indeed.

It's true, the APLT doesn't care if the best team in the world are coming to play; if you are at home, you need to win those games. But there is a very good reason for this. The APLT is a model of winning the league and title winning teams overwhelmingly win nearly all of their home games, regardless of the opposition.

Even the most optimistic bluenose knows deep down that Everton are not serious title contenders just yet. They may well break the top four. The lower your target, the less useful the APLT is.

A cruel taskmaster indeed, because the APLT is a test for the very best teams.



Which brings us, ironically, to Manchester United.

Following the mix-up last year in which David Moyes was inexplicably handed difficult games at the start of the season, business as usual resumed in the fixture computer as it handed Van Gaal a gentle introduction to the World's Toughest League (tm). Man United have an opening run of nine consecutive Par 3 games, the longest such run of any team in the APLT all season.

Unlike Everton, who the APLT expected to beat Arsenal and Chelsea in their first 3 matches, Man Utd had
Swansea (h) Par 3,
Sunderland (a) Par 3 and
Burnley (a) Par 3.
You don't need the APLT to tell you that 2 points from 9 available there is poor. What the APLT will show you, though, is that that is also 2 points from 9 Par, which is little short of a disaster.

To get back into the title race, then, Manchester United now need to pick up 7 extra points from their Par 1 games, and not drop any more points to par. They need to win their next six matches (including home games to Everton and Chelsea) just to stay on -7.

Only three games in, and the APLT has already shown us that a team highly fancied by many pundits at the beginning of the season are almost certainly already out of the title race.
« Last Edit: March 1, 2015, 06:00:26 pm by Prof »

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #1 on: August 8, 2014, 11:17:12 pm »
Thanks Prof, as usual, looking forward to this thread in the coming season.  :)

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #2 on: August 8, 2014, 11:43:06 pm »
Nice work Prof, I'm looking forward to reading this again, been a fantastic indicator over the last few seasons.

Based on the distribution of par 1s, does any of the scheduling (from any of the teams) jump out at you as significantly challenging for that side?

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #3 on: August 8, 2014, 11:44:13 pm »
I'm looking forward to all the new colours you'll be using.  It's getting boring you using the same ones year after year.

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« Reply #4 on: August 9, 2014, 08:30:22 am »
I'm looking forward to all the new colours you'll be using.  It's getting boring you using the same ones year after year.
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« Reply #5 on: August 9, 2014, 09:58:11 am »
Thank you Prof. I find this one of the most interesting threads through the season as it provokes good discussion and thoughtful analysis.

Just looking at the visual summary of the fixture lists, I can see we have a relatively balanced season, with a decent chance to establish ourselves at the head of the table despite a slightly tough start. On the other hand, if United don't start well, they may be in trouble later on.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #6 on: August 9, 2014, 10:38:45 am »
Hi Prof, shouldn't it be our match #5 highlighted in red, rather than #23? That makes the start of the season look harder if so, but the middle area becomes more benign.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #7 on: August 9, 2014, 10:42:41 am »
"Top six teams (and Man Utd)"...

He he.

Can't wait for the first "I don't understand this nor the point of it" comment. :)

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« Reply #8 on: August 9, 2014, 11:53:19 am »
...shouldn't it be our match #5 highlighted in red, rather than #23?

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #9 on: August 9, 2014, 01:23:40 pm »
Small thing, but could the Liverpool line go on top of the others this year?

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« Reply #10 on: August 9, 2014, 03:24:49 pm »
First thing that sticks out is how easier uniteds start is in comparison to everyone else , they really should be near the top come there tenth game or they could be heading for a winter of discontent ..well heres hoping they do ;-)

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« Reply #11 on: August 9, 2014, 03:33:28 pm »
Thanks for the work Prof. Great to see this thread back. We go again.
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« Reply #12 on: August 9, 2014, 03:36:05 pm »
Great read the last few years, obviously made much better reading last year with the progress we made, here's hoping for another good season.

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« Reply #13 on: August 9, 2014, 03:42:19 pm »
Excited just to see this thread. Means the season is almost here... :thumbup :thumbup :thumbup :thumbup :thumbup :thumbup
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« Reply #14 on: August 9, 2014, 03:47:13 pm »
Prof, our game vs West Ham away should be a par 1, not the one vs them at Anfield. Just something I noted, but otherwise can't wait for this. :)
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« Reply #15 on: August 9, 2014, 11:17:55 pm »
Hi Prof, shouldn't it be our match #5 highlighted in red, rather than #23? That makes the start of the season look harder if so, but the middle area becomes more benign.
Well done you win the prize  ;)

Thanks, I'll sort and update when I can  :wave

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« Reply #16 on: August 9, 2014, 11:56:14 pm »
Well done you win the prize  ;)

Thanks, I'll sort and update when I can  :wave
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2014, 12:39:03 am »
i have been following this since the beginning, great indicator of how the season will pan out specially when we are few games down and almost right to the end.

lets hope we will have a strong start and set us up nicely for the season.

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2014, 02:21:35 am »
No prizes for guessing which team Scudamore wants to get off to a fa$t $tart.

By the time the tough fixtures come around Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal will have settled and they'll have had time to strengthen properly in January. Hopefully that brutal run-in destroys them in any case.


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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2014, 07:46:42 am »
No prizes for guessing which team Scudamore wants to get off to a fa$t $tart.

By the time the tough fixtures come around Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal will have settled and they'll have had time to strengthen properly in January. Hopefully that brutal run-in destroys them in any case.


Oh and thanks again Prof, top work!

That could equally go the other way - after last year the other teams will fancy having a pop and it will take several games to get the fear factor back (if indeed they do - if they don't I can see Old Trafford imploding) - at which point they head into the Par 1s and hardest Par 3s.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2014, 09:50:10 am »
United fixtures are wrong from Sunderland at home onwards. It should be:

Newcastle (A)
Spurs (H)
Liverpool (A)
Villa (H)
City (H)
Chelsea (A)
Everton (A)
West Brom (H)
Palace (A)
Arsenal (H)
Hull (A)

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2014, 09:39:36 pm »
United fixtures are wrong from Sunderland at home onwards. It should be:

Newcastle (A)
Spurs (H)
Liverpool (A)
Villa (H)
City (H)
Chelsea (A)
Everton (A)
West Brom (H)
Palace (A)
Arsenal (H)
Hull (A)
Thanks, good spot

I use formulae throughout my spreadsheet to make things quicker, and just copy the new fixtures into the old one.  When I changed the fixtures around last season, the formulae were moved too and I hadn't noticed.  Hopefully that is correct now.

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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2014, 09:46:33 pm »
I think that United/Arsenal pair of games will define our season in the league. When we get to those, and if we're close to the top or on top, then winning those two might be the catalyst to go on and win the whole thing. The presence of Chelsea and Palace as well, so close to each other, will be an extra spur to get it right this time. Alternatively, our season could be over in the league after that Arsenal/United run of games.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2014, 12:08:37 am »
We have man utd followed by arsenal twice.  8 points from those four matches would be huge.

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2014, 12:11:49 am »
Why is away to Crystal Palace considered a more difficult match than home to Manchester City?
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2014, 01:00:57 am »
Why is away to Crystal Palace considered a more difficult match than home to Manchester City?

For the sake of simplicity. All home games are must-wins.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2014, 01:45:26 am »

Why is away to Crystal Palace considered a more difficult match than home to Manchester City?

It's just the formula used.

Historically, title-winning teams are nigh-unbeatable at home, and there's generally no way of predicting what teams they'll slip up against.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2014, 03:01:23 am »
Not sure if 71 points is a fair standard for fourth anymore.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2014, 06:53:21 am »
Thanks Prof, a great thread, lets keep our line straight or angled upwards!

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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2014, 07:16:01 am »
Not sure if 71 points is a fair standard for fourth anymore.
I agree. I'd say it's closer to 78 now given that you basically have to challenge for the title for most of the season to be in the top 4 judging on last season.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2014, 08:33:54 am »
Not sure if 71 points is a fair standard for fourth anymore.
Possibly not, but it's a guideline and reasonable reference point.  I think 78 is more than enough though.  I think Everton came 5th with 72 points, so 73 was enough for fourth.  A two point adjustment over 38 games makes negligible difference to the gradient of that line.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2014, 10:51:07 am »
As mentioned, just seeing this thread.. aah.. good times to come, eh?

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2014, 10:52:34 am »
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2014, 12:37:45 pm »

Can't wait for the first "I don't understand this nor the point of it" comment. :)

Me too, last season was my first on the APLT thread and I must admit I got sucked in a bit by a lot of this sort of negative n blind stuff.

Like a new year diet I've resolved to ignore all that...but I do wonder how long I'll be able to keep it up.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2014, 12:48:09 pm »
Not sure if 71 points is a fair standard for fourth anymore.

I think it's still quite a good benchmark.

Over the last ten seasons [05 thru 14] I get the average for 4th place to be 70pts and over the last five seasons [assuming the league is getting tougher in recent years] it's only bumped up to 72pts.

Admittedly last season it was 79pts, but that could be an outlier.

If you're going to challenge a figure it would be the 90pts mark.

Over the last ten seasons the winning total averages out at 88pts and over the last five seasons it drops down to 86pts [going against the assumption that the league is getting tougher to win].

However, having said that...I wouldn't change a thing about the APLT, I think it's a good idea executed very well.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2014, 02:04:16 pm »
Possibly not, but it's a guideline and reasonable reference point.  I think 78 is more than enough though.  I think Everton came 5th with 72 points, so 73 was enough for fourth.  A two point adjustment over 38 games makes negligible difference to the gradient of that line.
Depends on how you see it. It wouldn't have been enough for Everton!

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2014, 02:21:52 pm »
Why is away to Crystal Palace considered a more difficult match than home to Manchester City?

Which one of the two did we win last year? ;)

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2014, 04:21:21 pm »
Everton's fixture with Burnley is wrongly shaded a par 1 game, unless the model has been finessed!

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2014, 04:34:22 pm »
Love this thread, can't wait for this to get started. Keep up the good work, Prof!

Hopefully this thread will add some good perspective if we're all getting depressed about Utd flying high in the league after 8 games. We've never had the chance to see ourselves above that 90-point line, but we've got a good chance of seeing it at the start of the season if we can pick up more than 9 points from our first 5 games (I'm going to go with 10 from our first 5 - most likely putting us much higher in the APLT than on the real table!).

As has been mentioned, those two Utd-Arsenal back-to-backs look huge, along with a tough start for us (though perhaps playing Man City so early on could prove to be a very good thing, if they take a little while to improve on their Community Shield performance) and our two tricky par-1s at the end. At least our Christmas/New Year period won't be as cruel as last season, and looks like we've got a good mid-season run of matches where we'll hopefully be firing on all cylinders and manage to maintain par over 7 consecutive par-3s.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2014-15
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2014, 04:48:09 pm »
Everton's fixture with Burnley is wrongly shaded a par 1 game, unless the model has been finessed!
I noticed that, plus both Man City matches are highlighted. I thought I was going insane, counting 13 highlighted again again again.
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