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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59200 on: December 3, 2018, 07:58:53 AM »
I thought Fury won but if every judge would have scored options 113-113 it wouldn’t have surprised me.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59201 on: December 3, 2018, 08:07:42 AM »
Watched the fight last night. Don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.
Fury was knocked on his arse twice and Wilder was never in any sort of trouble.
I'm always of the opinion the challenger should do a fair bit more to take the champions belt, but I don't think Fury done anywhere near enough to be a clear winner. 

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59202 on: December 3, 2018, 09:21:48 AM »
So where does this leave AJ for his fight in April? This draw has cocked that up.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59203 on: December 3, 2018, 09:28:29 AM »
So where does this leave AJ for his fight in April? This draw has cocked that up.

I guess if he has any sense he’ll stay away from Fury...

Don’t think Wilder will fight AJ. If he does he’ll be beaten for sure IMO
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59204 on: December 3, 2018, 09:33:39 AM »
So where does this leave AJ for his fight in April? This draw has cocked that up.

Not really to be honest. Draw allows him to fight either but he still want wilder for the belts

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59205 on: December 3, 2018, 09:41:22 AM »
Finally watched the fight. Boxing is judged round by round. That judges scorecard is impossible to explain. If you asked him to try and explain his justifications round by round he would not be able to. Fury got robbed. Have to say always been a Fury hater, and think I had very good reason to, but you know what, his comeback story has been great and he's proving himself to be a model for something positive. He could have easily came back and played the heel again. Fair play.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59206 on: December 3, 2018, 09:53:21 AM »
Not really to be honest. Draw allows him to fight either but he still want wilder for the belts

I think Wilder is more likely to take AJ's terms now.  He took a gamble that Fury was washed up so he could get a better slice of the AJ jackpot, and he very nearly lost his golden ticket in front of a half full stadium.  I wouldn't risk that again in a rematch if I were him, Fury will only get better from here.

I don't know what Fury does now, but I expect he'll want the rematch before Joshua.

Any mix of the 3 is fine with me, HW boxing is great at the moment.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59207 on: December 3, 2018, 10:39:40 AM »
Wilder should develop a body attack. He is so wild to the head but the body is more stationary. His connect would actually be better and he will hurt people badly downstairs.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59208 on: December 3, 2018, 11:28:51 AM »
Yeah especially with a lot of the HWs these days being a bit 'fleshy' in that region...

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59209 on: December 3, 2018, 02:09:19 PM »
Anyone got a link to the full fight?
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59210 on: December 3, 2018, 03:50:23 PM »
Anyone got a link to the full fight?

I use tc-boxing normally, not sure if sign up are open though.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59211 on: December 3, 2018, 03:54:57 PM »
I'm always of the opinion the challenger should do a fair bit more to take the champions belt, but I don't think Fury done anywhere near enough to be a clear winner.
That's not how the scoring system in boxing works though.

You score the round - fury won 9 easily probably 10.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59212 on: December 3, 2018, 04:21:36 PM »
Fury is a victim of his style

He landed 10 punches more then Wilder in the whole fight so is it beyond the realms of comprehension that some of those earlier rounds could have been seen the other way. I thought he won but by no means was it a robbery to me.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59213 on: December 3, 2018, 06:17:24 PM »
Wilder interested in fighting AJ next. Bet he is.

Hearn will be trying to make it happen for April. On his way to LA right now.

Wilder might want to cash in now.Fury might be left in the dark a little.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59214 on: December 3, 2018, 06:26:44 PM »
As others have said, Joshua/Wilder/Fury could be an exciting little trio over the next few years. 3 different styles. We might see something similar to the 70s where Frazier and Norton were torturing Ali but both got pummeled by Foreman, yet Ali handled Foreman. So goes the saying "Styles makes fights".

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59215 on: December 3, 2018, 06:51:06 PM »
As others have said, Joshua/Wilder/Fury could be an exciting little trio over the next few years. 3 different styles. We might see something similar to the 70s where Frazier and Norton were torturing Ali but both got pummeled by Foreman, yet Ali handled Foreman. So goes the saying "Styles makes fights".
And Usyk and his unique style could be joining them in 12-18 months time after a few tune up fights in the division.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59216 on: December 3, 2018, 07:17:19 PM »
And Usyk and his unique style could be joining them in 12-18 months time after a few tune up fights in the division.
Usyk is going to be a really interesting addition to the mix, certainly he has the technical capability but overcoming the size and power difference is a massive challenge. It's good times for the HW division, long time since we could really say that.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59217 on: December 3, 2018, 07:57:49 PM »
Wilder interested in fighting AJ next. Bet he is.

Hearn will be trying to make it happen for April. On his way to LA right now.

Wilder might want to cash in now.Fury might be left in the dark a little.

Fury is now the new president of the who needs him club. No belt and no ranking so Joshua can't fight him without dropping his titles. And I think Wilder will want to cash in his lottery ticket now rather than risk losing it to Fury again.

Fury is going to have to play the rankings game for a bit.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59218 on: December 3, 2018, 08:32:20 PM »
Usyk is going to be a really interesting addition to the mix, certainly he has the technical capability but overcoming the size and power difference is a massive challenge. It's good times for the HW division, long time since we could really say that.
We should thank our lucky stars Fury dethroned Klitschko in 2015, otherwise we'd still be seeing him winning boring decisions in Germany. Great to see heavyweight boxing is back, look at how many celebrities attended the fight on Saturday.

Wilder v AJ would be a proper heavyweight showdown. Wilder hardly has any boxing fundamentals but we all know AJ is a sucker for that right hand, as shown by Wlad. And Wilder's right is his best asset by far. Still I think Joshua wins that by late stoppage.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59219 on: December 3, 2018, 08:33:10 PM »
Usyk is too small for the big 3. He would make Wilder miss like mad but Wilder only needs one shot.

AJ will fight Wilder in April. Wilder stock took a hit but he still has the belt and AJ wants to be undisputed. Unification take precedent over mandatories. Not sure WBC can enforce a rematch for a voluntary defence, sounds a bit funny plus they get more money from a unification
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59220 on: December 3, 2018, 08:37:33 PM »
Wilder should develop a body attack. He is so wild to the head but the body is more stationary. His connect would actually be better and he will hurt people badly downstairs.
He is 33 and has had 41 fights, Deontay ain't developing a body attack at this late stage! I wholeheartedly agree that it would greatly improve him. Mind you, Wlad did fine without a body attack I suppose (he officially landed 0 body shots against Haye if memory serves).

Fury is now the new president of the who needs him club. No belt and no ranking so Joshua can't fight him without dropping his titles. And I think Wilder will want to cash in his lottery ticket now rather than risk losing it to Fury again.

Fury is going to have to play the rankings game for a bit.
Surely, Fury will be elevated into the rankings of at least one organisation after this weekend?

I expected Fury to outbox Wilder and make him miss horribly. I wasn't sure if he could withstand the likely Wilder bombs and he did so admirably. The big eejit is a hard night's work for anybody; and I include Joshua in that.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59221 on: December 3, 2018, 08:58:04 PM »
He is 33 and has had 41 fights, Deontay ain't developing a body attack at this late stage! I wholeheartedly agree that it would greatly improve him. Mind you, Wlad did fine without a body attack I suppose (he officially landed 0 body shots against Haye if memory serves).
Surely, Fury will be elevated into the rankings of at least one organisation after this weekend?

I expected Fury to outbox Wilder and make him miss horribly. I wasn't sure if he could withstand the likely Wilder bombs and he did so admirably. The big eejit is a hard night's work for anybody; and I include Joshua in that.

Vlad could throw a starigth punch. If Wilder is gonna continue to swing wildly he may as well hit a stationary target

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59222 on: December 3, 2018, 08:58:07 PM »
He is 33 and has had 41 fights, Deontay ain't developing a body attack at this late stage! I wholeheartedly agree that it would greatly improve him. Mind you, Wlad did fine without a body attack I suppose (he officially landed 0 body shots against Haye if memory serves).
Surely, Fury will be elevated into the rankings of at least one organisation after this weekend?

I expected Fury to outbox Wilder and make him miss horribly. I wasn't sure if he could withstand the likely Wilder bombs and he did so admirably. The big eejit is a hard night's work for anybody; and I include Joshua in that.

Well Saturday's fight was for the WBC belt so he must have a ranking with them. If AJ picked up that belt it might work. And he's promoted by Frank Warren so I assume he could get a WBO ranking if he wanted one.

After April AJ will probably need a mandatory though.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59223 on: December 3, 2018, 09:01:17 PM »
Looks like Karma caught up with Stevenson don't often wish hurt on other people but if anyone deserves to be in that position it is him.
indeed, really struggle to feel sad for him with all the horrendous things he’s done

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59224 on: December 3, 2018, 09:23:55 PM »
Vlad could throw a starigth punch. If Wilder is gonna continue to swing wildly he may as well hit a stationary target
True  :)

Wilder's lack of basic boxing skills is staggering. Without his exceptional power, he would probably be a journeyman.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59225 on: December 3, 2018, 10:10:35 PM »
Looks like Karma caught up with Stevenson don't often wish hurt on other people but if anyone deserves to be in that position it is him.
Maybe if it happened outside the ring but no you can't wish harm on anyone while in the ring. Any fighter getting seriously hurt damages the whole sport. Seems like he's stable now anyway.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59226 on: December 3, 2018, 11:04:52 PM »
Watched the fight last night. Don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.
Fury was knocked on his arse twice and Wilder was never in any sort of trouble.
I'm always of the opinion the challenger should do a fair bit more to take the champions belt, but I don't think Fury done anywhere near enough to be a clear winner. 

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Seriously though, you want to rewrite how boxing works? He’s taught him a lesson in there. Won at least 9 rounds, clear winner. Not even debatable
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59227 on: December 4, 2018, 05:08:17 AM »
Khan v Crawford muted for next year. Crawford was gonna fight Collazo so Khan is a step up. Khan gets battered eventually.

I'd love for Khan to freeze out his Stan. Let Brook add a high level win to go with the solitary one he has on his record.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59228 on: December 4, 2018, 05:27:22 AM »
Barney You are the English judge and I claim my fiver 😂

Seriously though, you want to rewrite how boxing works? He’s taught him a lesson in there. Won at least 9 rounds, clear winner. Not even debatable
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59229 on: December 4, 2018, 05:36:45 AM »
Fury doesnt stand up to AJ onslaught. I thought he would befuddle him but Saturday makes me believe AJ takes him out. He has fast hands throws consistently and properly and knows how to finish. He will get to him and when he does it's goodnight vienna

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59230 on: December 4, 2018, 05:57:29 AM »
ok hopefully Fury gets the chance to prove the rest of the doubters wrong.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59231 on: December 4, 2018, 08:52:47 AM »
Fury doesnt stand up to AJ onslaught. I thought he would befuddle him but Saturday makes me believe AJ takes him out. He has fast hands throws consistently and properly and knows how to finish. He will get to him and when he does it's goodnight vienna
Assuming his head remains focused on boxing, Fury will get fitter and for me, AJ is more likely to gas out. However, AJ is also a far better boxer than Wilder, and I would favour him via late TKO in a match versus Fury. It would be a hard and frustrating fight for him though.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59232 on: December 4, 2018, 09:23:26 AM »
Fury exposed Wilder's poor fundamentals, that's not going to happen with Joshua. AJ is basically a physical freak who does the basics right. And I'm not sure Fury would be busy enough to win the rounds, I think his best bet would be to hope Joshua punches himself out going for a KO like Wlad nearly did.

I think Joshua beats Wilder, basically doing what Fury did but more of it and with more power. But he's still vulnerable and Wilder's power is legit so who knows.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59233 on: December 4, 2018, 10:01:57 AM »
Joshua v Whyte might be a hrd sell if Wilder v Fury 2 is not next

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59234 on: December 4, 2018, 01:31:31 PM »
That's the great thing about how Fury/Wilder went down. Everyone still thinks they are right about who beats who.

They should all fight each other twice over the next few years, no one cares about any other HWs anyway.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59235 on: December 4, 2018, 08:01:30 PM »
That's the great thing about how Fury/Wilder went down. Everyone still thinks they are right about who beats who.

They should all fight each other twice over the next few years, no one cares about any other HWs anyway.

Nobody actually cares about who wins either in the main - unless you're a fanboy of course - as long as they're fighting each other and actually making the big fights as Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis etc all did

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59236 on: December 4, 2018, 09:11:41 PM »
Always thought Fury beats AJ with ease. Lets hope we get to find out next year

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59237 on: December 4, 2018, 09:23:38 PM »
Nobody actually cares about who wins either in the main - unless you're a fanboy of course - as long as they're fighting each other and actually making the big fights as Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis etc all did

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59238 on: December 4, 2018, 09:25:19 PM »
Nobody actually cares about who wins either in the main - unless you're a fanboy of course - as long as they're fighting each other and actually making the big fights as Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis etc all did
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #59239 on: December 4, 2018, 09:28:53 PM »