Topic: Labour Thread * No Gaza *

[oldfordie]

He is going to have everything investigated isn't he & watching twats like Nick Ferrari panic and accuse them of trying to run the Gov like VAR is glorious. 

He has too, you have to understand what's gone wrong and who is responsible for it. finding out what's wrong also plays a big part in finding the best way to fix those problems.
Am looking forward to the Tory shadow ministers trying to attack the Labour ministers, I hope Labour tear them apart.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

He has too, you have to understand what's gone wrong and who is responsible for it. finding out what's wrong also plays a big part in finding the best way to fix those problems.
Am looking forward to the Tory shadow ministers trying to attack the Labour ministers, I hope Labour tear them apart.

I know that, you know that & best of all, the Tories know that. In normal circumstances I doubt they'd really care, unluckily or them, the guy at the top tables brain is wired to do exactly that 

[Red Beret]

Labour have no choice. We all know the Tory response will be that Labour are prepping the electorate to jettison manifesto pledges on tax and spending. Starmer has to come out swinging and promise a more severe retribution than simply telling the Tories off.

I don't blame Starmer for being angry. Labour got booted out of office for a fraction of the anarchy the Tories have caused.

[Fromola]

Starmer furious with the Torys.

Keir Starmer, "We knew there was going to be a problem but the scale of the problem is worse than we thought and the nature of the problem is unforgivable"

"When the details are released of this, you'll have plenty of extra questions for those who came before us"

https://xcancel.com/implausibleblog/status/1811661940730572843?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1811691493905592598%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=

This is where some Tory goes on about a note left in 2010.

[oldfordie]

Labour have no choice. We all know the Tory response will be that Labour are prepping the electorate to jettison manifesto pledges on tax and spending. Starmer has to come out swinging and promise a more severe retribution than simply telling the Tories off.

I don't blame Starmer for being angry. Labour got booted out of office for a fraction of the anarchy the Tories have caused.

I would dismiss that with scorn, Stop playing politics, you are being judged on the facts. here is the evidence.

[Red Beret]

I would dismiss that with scorn, Stop playing politics, you are being judged on the facts. here is the evidence.

Which is why I'm glad he's an actual lawyer and didn't just go to law school so he could master political double speak.

[oldfordie]

Which is why I'm glad he's an actual lawyer and didn't just go to law school so he could master political double speak.

Best way to hit back when the Torys come up with the usual attacks to point the finger at Labour to avoid scrutiny?  that will come for certain but I think we are going to see a lot of these exposures over the next year, everything had been run by incompetent clowns who are more interested in filling their pockets  than running the country.

[Sangria]

Targeting Southend and Basildon is laughable waste of energy to be honest. Southend would need a bigger swing than 1997 where Labour still missed out. Demographically it's become a lot older since then too.

If Labour manage to turn a 100 year old Tory safe seat I'll move back there and dine out on hats for a week.

Southend East and Rochford (UK Parliament constituency)
MP: Bayo Alaba (Labour)

Southend West and Leigh (UK Parliament constituency)
MP: David Burton-Sampson (Labour)

Almost:
Basildon and Billericay (UK Parliament constituency)
MP: Richard Holden (Conservative)
Majority: 20 over Alex Harrison (Labour)

Do you know how to attach images?

[Wabaloolah]

Southend East and Rochford (UK Parliament constituency)
MP: Bayo Alaba (Labour)

Southend West and Leigh (UK Parliament constituency)
MP: David Burton-Sampson (Labour)

Almost:
Basildon and Billericay (UK Parliament constituency)
MP: Richard Holden (Conservative)
Majority: 20 over Alex Harrison (Labour)

Do you know how to attach images?

[PaulF]

Well that seems to be a burst of common sense.

The immediate need is for starter homes integral to existing physical infrastructure. The rub comes when considering capacity of schools, GPs surgeries etc.

Not sure I agree.  Long term maybe, but in the short term, we are just moving people out of overcrowded accommodation into their own places?
Until they feel they can afford to move to bigger houses etc, then we probably won't see more kids, so we won't need more schools, GPs etc?

[Lisan Al Gaib]

I see Welsh Labour are having a great day so far...

[Red-Soldier]

Surely, Gething is toast.  How long can he dig in for?

[Elmo!]

Surely, Gething is toast.  How long can he dig in for?

Not long it turns out.

[A-Bomb]

https://xcancel.com/maxtempers/status/1784564827165261985?s=61

Same discussions were happening decades ago - but how great was it to have adult people handling the response.

[PaulF]

I've been thinking. We all want to see far more progressive taxation. To put the onus on the mega wealthy we now have living here  to help fund public services, rather than necessarily reduce our tax contributions.
And it certainly seems right that people who are living here and literally sitting on billions should pay more for public services.
What's crossed my mind though is , we sort of assume these billionaires are making there money off of us , so it only seems right they give back.  But is there analysis on how much of their money is made overseas? and if so is is still right that they plough that money into the UK, rather than into the countries where they are making their money? (Obviously I'm not suggesting they pay fewer taxes or its right that so much money should be owned by so few)

[LuverlyRita]

And it certainly seems right that people who are living here and literally sitting on billions should pay more for public services.
What's crossed my mind though is , we sort of assume these billionaires are making there money off of us , so it only seems right they give back.  But is there analysis on how much of their money is made overseas? and if so is is still right that they plough that money into the UK, rather than into the countries where they are making their money? (Obviously I'm not suggesting they pay fewer taxes or its right that so much money should be owned by so few)

If the house of a billionaire catches fire, will they call the UK fire-service or the fire service of the country in which they make their money?
If you want to live in the UK then you should be contributing regardless of where your income is sourced. The same applies to business. If you want to call on a healthy and educated work-force, have them arrive at work on time via public transport and have your lorries traverse the country on well surfaced roads and deliver goods in a timely fashion then you should be paying taxes in the UK. Don't get me started on the Royal Family....

[thaddeus]

If the house of a billionaire catches fire, will they call the UK fire-service or the fire service of the country in which they make their money?
If you want to live in the UK then you should be contributing regardless of where your income is sourced. The same applies to business. If you want to call on a healthy and educated work-force, have them arrive at work on time via public transport and have your lorries traverse the country on well surfaced roads and deliver goods in a timely fashion then you should be paying taxes in the UK. Don't get me started on the Royal Family....

There's an overhead to maintaining Western democracies and the super rich that reside in those democracies should absolutely be expected to pay to uphold that.  Even more so right now when we're involved in a proxy war with Russia that is adding an even greater overhead both in terms of inflation and funding that war effort.  Squirreling money into offshore tax havens is very unpatriotic but people in power seem scared to call it out, never mind tackling it with law changes.

The likes of Sir Jim and Sir James could always take their chances in a country like Russia or China where their assets might well be taken away on the whim of the leader.

[ianburns252]

I've been thinking. We all want to see far more progressive taxation. To put the onus on the mega wealthy we now have living here  to help fund public services, rather than necessarily reduce our tax contributions.
And it certainly seems right that people who are living here and literally sitting on billions should pay more for public services.
What's crossed my mind though is , we sort of assume these billionaires are making there money off of us , so it only seems right they give back.  But is there analysis on how much of their money is made overseas? and if so is is still right that they plough that money into the UK, rather than into the countries where they are making their money? (Obviously I'm not suggesting they pay fewer taxes or its right that so much money should be owned by so few)

Without going into too much depth - for people who are a tax resident in the UK but domiciled abroad (like Sunak's wife) there is an option for what is called the "remittance basis" which basically means their income is taxed principally in the country in which is originates but that anything brough into the UK is then taxed under UK tax laws (there is more to it than this but have tried to just get the basics across).

There is also an annual charge for using this basis.

I don't think it is right that the UK gets the tax benefit from someone making money in India (their system should get the priority) but as others have said - if they want to be in the UK and reap the benefits of this then they need to be paying something.