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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3240 on: May 26, 2023, 11:00:35 pm »
Mac #8 don't rule it out.  8)
Peter has mentioned about living through the Bosnia war, full credit and respect to him. No offense implied or intended but surely his age would make your suggestion a no-go?

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3241 on: May 26, 2023, 11:01:40 pm »
I don't see why Bajcetic should, or needs, to go out on loan. He's young enough to not need 1000s minutes next season and we'll have 6 Europa + at least 2 domestic cup matches for him. He was also trusted over senior players this year until he got injured. He'll get plenty opportunities next year if he's fit. And Elliott played pretty much exclusively in midfield, although fans have some weird thing about not wanting to call him midfielder Klopp clearly does see him as an option there.

Some young players are so good they simply donít need that.  StevieG, Trent, didnít go out on loan.

Bajcetic looks the real deal.  In games where we were being blitzed by packed opposition midfields in their athletic prime, on several occasions he stood out as the business, beyond his years.

We very much need him next season.  Thursday - Sunday fixtures will come thick and fast.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3242 on: May 26, 2023, 11:12:22 pm »
Currently we have 3 midfielders - Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson. I'm not including Bajcetic because he should go on loan, and I'm not including Harvey and Carvalho since they are not exactly midfielders and Carvalho is probably moving this summer.

Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson. That list is thin as fuck. Take into consideration Thiago's injury record and Hendo's age - yeah, we should invest heavily in midfield.

Since we moved Gini, Mane and now Milner, our list of leaders is getting shorter each year also. How's Mac Allister in terms of leadership?

Why the heck would you send Bajcetic on loan? He has shown he can play at this level and perform. If anything he needs to stay with the team and get more games here. It'd be an insanely dumb idea to loan out a player of that quality.

And how come Curtis doesnt exist for you anymore. Another lad who has taken his chance in this run in. Harvey just turned 20. If players could be accurately judged at that sort of age then KDB or Mo Salah would have no careers. We need investment in midfield, that is clear, but we need to bring back some semblance of sanity on where we are at. We need a minimum of 2, and ideally a 3rd in midfield to prepare for Thiago's exit next summer.

We also need some turnaround in defence to freshen our options and reduce the overall squad age. Potentially a backup goalkeeper as well.
I also think we should be looking for a 6th attacker because next winter AFCON means we potentially lose salah for around 5-6 weeks in a busy domestic period.

There's quite a lot of business that needs to happen. midfield is the biggest investment, but we need more than that, so there has to be some balance with regards to getting value for money because all this wont come cheap. I think Klopp would want a squad ready to challenge all fronts and for that, we need quite a few in and also a few more outs. We need good squad planning right now.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3243 on: May 26, 2023, 11:16:13 pm »
Currently we have 3 midfielders - Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson. I'm not including Bajcetic because he should go on loan, and I'm not including Harvey and Carvalho since they are not exactly midfielders and Carvalho is probably moving this summer.

Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson. That list is thin as fuck. Take into consideration Thiago's injury record and Hendo's age - yeah, we should invest heavily in midfield.

Since we moved Gini, Mane and now Milner, our list of leaders is getting shorter each year also. How's Mac Allister in terms of leadership?

Wow, completely disagree with that. He was our best midfielder in the majority of games he played this season. No way should we be loaning him out, especially given the extra opportunities the Europa League should offer.
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« Reply #3244 on: May 26, 2023, 11:25:18 pm »
As I suspected you are just bullshitting as usual.  ;D

Come on you have definitively stated that Bellingham wants £350k after Tax. So either put up or shut up.

Show us a scrap of evidence for your assertions.  ;)

Al, we both know that you have already Googled it, and found the articles from Marca, AS and Mundo Deportivo from few weeks ago, reporting the Ä400,000 per week after tax wages of Bellingham. You have also found the newer articles from Marca and AS, where they are back-peddling, under obvious instructions from Real Madrid. You are just trying to involve me into an endless exchange on what links are more valid, inevitably ending into more criticism of FSG. So please, fuck off back to the FSG thread, since we don't need yet another serial moaner in the Transfer Thread ...

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3245 on: May 26, 2023, 11:32:03 pm »
Al, we both know that you have already Googled it, and found the articles from Marca, AS and Mundo Deportivo from few weeks ago, reporting the Ä400,000 per week after tax wages of Bellingham. You have also found the newer articles from Marca and AS, where they are back-peddling, under obvious instructions from Real Madrid. You are just trying to involve me into an endless exchange on what links are more valid, inevitably ending into more criticism of FSG. So please, fuck off back to the FSG thread, since we don't need yet another serial moaner in the Transfer Thread ...
Heres a thought though maybe thats what he is being offered and not what he is demanding like you keep repeatably stating as if hes some sort off money grabber.
 Fact is we wouldn't pay the required fee to get him thats no reason to make him out to be a money grabber none of us know either way what his "wage demands" where or are so to state otherwise is dumb.
Strange how you would take for gospel tabloid reports with regards to Bellingham but when tabloids say we want Mount you dismiss them out of hand.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3246 on: May 26, 2023, 11:32:09 pm »
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« Reply #3247 on: May 26, 2023, 11:33:17 pm »
Youíve missed out Jones. Still thin though.

Oh yeah, totally forgot about him.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3248 on: May 26, 2023, 11:34:57 pm »
Currently we have 3 midfielders - Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson. I'm not including Bajcetic because he should go on loan, and I'm not including Harvey and Carvalho since they are not exactly midfielders and Carvalho is probably moving this summer.


Apart from completely ignoring one of our 2 best midfielders of the last few months of the season and wanting the other one out of the door thatís an excellent post.

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« Reply #3249 on: May 26, 2023, 11:41:03 pm »
Currently we have 3 midfielders - Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson. I'm not including Bajcetic because he should go on loan, and I'm not including Harvey and Carvalho since they are not exactly midfielders and Carvalho is probably moving this summer.

Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson. That list is thin as fuck. Take into consideration Thiago's injury record and Hendo's age - yeah, we should invest heavily in midfield.


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« Reply #3250 on: May 26, 2023, 11:46:18 pm »
Apart from completely ignoring one of our 2 best midfielders of the last few months of the season and wanting the other one out of the door thatís an excellent post.

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« Reply #3251 on: May 26, 2023, 11:49:15 pm »

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3252 on: May 26, 2023, 11:58:48 pm »
Al, we both know that you have already Googled it, and found the articles from Marca, AS and Mundo Deportivo from few weeks ago, reporting the Ä400,000 per week after tax wages of Bellingham. You have also found the newer articles from Marca and AS, where they are back-peddling, under obvious instructions from Real Madrid. You are just trying to involve me into an endless exchange on what links are more valid, inevitably ending into more criticism of FSG. So please, fuck off back to the FSG thread, since we don't need yet another serial moaner in the Transfer Thread ...

How about posting credible sources that Bellingham is demanding £350k after taxes as you have continually stated?

I mean you stated this.

Nope, I won't criticize my club for Bellingham and his father becoming greedy. I love my club, and despise those money grabbing bastards ...

Surely if you are going to call someone a money grabbing bastard you will have at least some semblance of evidence.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3253 on: May 27, 2023, 12:00:14 am »
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« Reply #3254 on: May 27, 2023, 12:00:40 am »
Al, how the fuck did you find the Transfer thread?

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« Reply #3255 on: May 27, 2023, 12:08:18 am »
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Klopp revealed that young midfielder Stefan Bajcetic is on course to return to action in pre-season. His breakthrough campaign was ended prematurely in March due to an adductor injury.

ďThereís progress. Yesterday talking to the doc, around the start of pre-season there will be parts of re-integration, not full training,Ē Klopp said.

ďHe is completely pain free but we are talking about a very young player so we have to be careful. Like we had to be super careful with Curtis (Jones). It is annoying for the player, train two days and then two days off not to take any risks - that might be the plan with Stefan.

ďI hope he can come with us to the training camp and then be fine for the start of the season. With these kind of injuries there is no real timeline behind it. We have to wait for the next assessments and go from there, but it is positive. By the end of the pre-season I think he will have hopefully been in full training for a week or two.Ē

https://theathletic.com/4556109/2023/05/26/jurgen-klopp-liverpool-champions-league/

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« Reply #3257 on: May 27, 2023, 12:11:56 am »
Wow, completely disagree with that. He was our best midfielder in the majority of games he played this season. No way should we be loaning him out, especially given the extra opportunities the Europa League should offer.

He's 18yr old, we really shouldn't rely on him just yet, but i'm not against it if he stays and gets some Europa experience.

Even with Bajcetic staying and Jones that I've forgot, we're still very thin, considering Hendo's age, Thiago's injury record, Milly leaving etc
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« Reply #3258 on: May 27, 2023, 12:13:46 am »
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Jurgen Klopp admits Fabio Carvalho could be loaned out next season as he praised the young midfielderís attitude and application.

The 20-year-old has found his opportunities limited since his £7.7million move from Fulham last summer. The last of his eight starts in all competitions came in Januaryís FA Cup defeat to Wolves and Liverpool are considering whether a temporary spell away would help his development.

ďThereís a possibility that he will go on loan, weíll see,Ē Klopp said.

ďThis was not Fabioís best year in his career but it might have been his most important. No player has impressed me more than Fabio. It is true. This very talented boy came here with big dreams and big expectations. It was okay in the beginning but didnít work out (later in the season). His work ethic will give him a fantastic career.

ďHe trained and got nothing (in terms of team selection). His reactions in a row, I never saw before.Ē

https://theathletic.com/4554659/2023/05/26/fabio-carvalho-liverpool-transfer-loan-news/

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« Reply #3259 on: May 27, 2023, 12:14:41 am »
Good news, but not transfer news.

It is very much transfer related news ...

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« Reply #3260 on: May 27, 2023, 12:18:43 am »
It is very much transfer related news ...

It's what we knew in March, that he'd be back for pre-season. Unless you think we're waiting for him to get fit and then we'll sell him I don't see how it's transfer news.

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« Reply #3261 on: May 27, 2023, 12:31:46 am »
Currently we have 3 midfielders - Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson. I'm not including Bajcetic because he should go on loan, and I'm not including Harvey and Carvalho since they are not exactly midfielders and Carvalho is probably moving this summer.

Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson. That list is thin as fuck. Take into consideration Thiago's injury record and Hendo's age - yeah, we should invest heavily in midfield.

Since we moved Gini, Mane and now Milner, our list of leaders is getting shorter each year also. How's Mac Allister in terms of leadership?

Iím not disagreeing on investing in midfield, but the boss clearly doesnít agree with your thought on Bajcetic and Elliott.

Ö and you forgot Jones.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3262 on: May 27, 2023, 01:58:08 am »


I don't agree with our strategy when it comes to young players. If he is a world class talent like Trent fine but if not why keep him. Carvalho could have played a full season with Fulham on loan and this apply to others let them play with teams under no pressure for their own good. For squad players get old players until the on loan young players are mentally and physically ready.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3263 on: May 27, 2023, 02:01:38 am »
Barnes' take on our current situation (Start from 53:20). Very interesting indeed.

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« Reply #3264 on: May 27, 2023, 02:05:03 am »

I don't agree with our strategy when it comes to young players. If he is a world class talent like Trent fine but if not why keep him. Carvalho could have played a full season with Fulham on loan and this apply to others let them play with teams under no pressure for their own good. For squad players get old players until the on loan young players are mentally and physically ready.

I donít agree. Players show they have it very early, Bajcetic for instance. No need to send them out on loan if they really do have it. Or at least no more than a loan early on.

Not writing off Carvalho BUT, I get the feeling the problem is a) they canít really fit him in and b) he isnít Ďgetting ití. Some players just donít. Plenty of naturally talented players just donít prove to be capable mentally of taking it all in. Speculating of course, but there has to be more than just ability reasons as to why he barely saw the light of day for months.

He was available on the cheap, worth a punt I suppose, but maybe combing all those Ďpuntsí into a player ready would be better. I donít think project players is the way this club needs to go now.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3265 on: May 27, 2023, 03:01:09 am »
Iíve see more people on this thread moaning about perceived moaning than I have people genuinely moaning   :-X
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« Reply #3266 on: May 27, 2023, 04:10:59 am »
We're spending big this summer mate. Just wait and see.
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« Reply #3267 on: May 27, 2023, 06:19:47 am »
I donít agree. Players show they have it very early, Bajcetic for instance. No need to send them out on loan if they really do have it. Or at least no more than a loan early on.

Not writing off Carvalho BUT, I get the feeling the problem is a) they canít really fit him in and b) he isnít Ďgetting ití. Some players just donít. Plenty of naturally talented players just donít prove to be capable mentally of taking it all in. Speculating of course, but there has to be more than just ability reasons as to why he barely saw the light of day for months.

He was available on the cheap, worth a punt I suppose, but maybe combing all those Ďpuntsí into a player ready would be better. I donít think project players is the way this club needs to go now.

He does but is he going to be a starter for us ? if not then what is better for his development, playing some games here or a full season with another team under less pressure. I know we need squad players but we should get players like
Minamino for this not like what Pep said only premium players or talented young players.

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« Reply #3268 on: May 27, 2023, 07:39:08 am »
He does but is he going to be a starter for us ? if not then what is better for his development, playing some games here or a full season with another team under less pressure. I know we need squad players but we should get players like
Minamino for this not like what Pep said only premium players or talented young players.
it much better to have them in the squad so they can learn the system, get some games as a starter, off the bench etc and slowly be worked into learning how to be a starter. Look at how Jones has been handled Same with Elliott, slowly bringing them along granted probably a little slower for both because of both having freak type injuries(jones the eye and stress injury) Elliott losing most of his first pro season at Liverpool to fractured ankle.
He talented enough to be a future starter at the 6 from what been seen, he just need time to build up his conditioning at the pro level, and get experience with the team too.
Elliott the only player who so far been sent on loan who the staff thinks is good enough and that mostly he was championship ready at age 17.
Van Den Berg could also, Maybe Morton or Chambers also. Pitaluga possible too(but that is years down the road).
It possible Loan do help other in the future to be ready for first team but so far hasnt been the case so far.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3269 on: May 27, 2023, 08:22:43 am »
Bajcetic is the best 6 currently at the club so loaning him would be extremely weird.

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« Reply #3270 on: May 27, 2023, 09:03:13 am »
Bajcetic is the best 6 currently at the club so loaning him would be extremely weird.

Let's not go crazy now. If an inexperienced 18 yr old is our best number 6, then we're truly fucked, and i really really rate the lad.

Every player is allowed to have a shite season for numerous reasons, therefore Fabinho doesn't deserve this disrespect.
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« Reply #3271 on: May 27, 2023, 09:04:09 am »
I donít agree. Players show they have it very early, Bajcetic for instance. No need to send them out on loan if they really do have it. Or at least no more than a loan early on.

Not writing off Carvalho BUT, I get the feeling the problem is a) they canít really fit him in and b) he isnít Ďgetting ití. Some players just donít. Plenty of naturally talented players just donít prove to be capable mentally of taking it all in. Speculating of course, but there has to be more than just ability reasons as to why he barely saw the light of day for months.

He was available on the cheap, worth a punt I suppose, but maybe combing all those Ďpuntsí into a player ready would be better. I donít think project players is the way this club needs to go now.
Carvalho was just smart business. We could sell him right now and make profit on him, one or two successful loans and its big profit. No problem with Klopp taking a look at him this season and seeing if he was good enough, that initial spell of games does suggest there's talent there.  But it was pretty much a no lose transfer, promising HG youngster for a snip. Think Solanke

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« Reply #3272 on: May 27, 2023, 09:08:14 am »
Carvalho was just smart business. We could sell him right now and make profit on him, one or two successful loans and its big profit. No problem with Klopp taking a look at him this season and seeing if he was good enough, that initial spell of games does suggest there's talent there.  But it was pretty much a no lose transfer, promising HG youngster for a snip. Think Solanke

Yep, no way weíd sell him on, let him have a loan and see how he progresses. Heís quality, just not suited to the system we were playing and the inconsistency around him.

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« Reply #3273 on: May 27, 2023, 09:09:00 am »
Just caught up on the Ugarte news, damn.

Echo what others have said re Lavia Ö talented young player but our squad isnít really in a place right now to be spending sizeable money on prospects.

Hoping for something out of nowhere on the 6 front Ö Alvarez from Ajax maybe, underrated player.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3274 on: May 27, 2023, 09:14:52 am »
Barnes' take on our current situation (Start from 53:20). Very interesting indeed.

https://youtu.be/askNva8TR34
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3275 on: May 27, 2023, 09:24:12 am »

I don't agree with our strategy when it comes to young players. If he is a world class talent like Trent fine but if not why keep him. Carvalho could have played a full season with Fulham on loan and this apply to others let them play with teams under no pressure for their own good. For squad players get old players until the on loan young players are mentally and physically ready.

Carvalho showed at the start of the season he's ready to make an impact. The issue is we don't know how to fit him in tactically which is a scouting/strategy issue which we've seen a bit on a larger scale with Nunez.  We need to know exactly what we're buying and how we're going to use players before we buy them. Gakpo straight off the bat for example.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3276 on: May 27, 2023, 09:26:58 am »
Let's not go crazy now. If an inexperienced 18 yr old is our best number 6, then we're truly fucked, and i really really rate the lad.

Every player is allowed to have a shite season for numerous reasons, therefore Fabinho doesn't deserve this disrespect.

I agree. Iíve also seen too many prospects over the last years come to nothing to think any different will come of Bajcetic if he doesnít hit every game out the park.

People forget sometimes the level we are talking about to remain part of a Klopp 11 that reaches 99 points or smashes their way to a CL. Not within a dog shit season.

For a youth player to get in there it normally takes exceptional talent and itís normally pretty visible early on, such as Trent.

I have hope for him as I can see him slotting in there but if Macalister and Fabio bring their shit then he could as with Elliot etc end up on a level just a tiny bit below whatís needed. With the level that gets to 99 points thatís the difference.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3277 on: May 27, 2023, 09:40:57 am »
How about posting credible sources that Bellingham is demanding £350k after taxes as you have continually stated?

I mean you stated this.

Surely if you are going to call someone a money grabbing bastard you will have at least some semblance of evidence.

We all know he is making shite up. All those dreams of only needing one footballer.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023
« Reply #3278 on: May 27, 2023, 09:42:53 am »
Carvalho showed at the start of the season he's ready to make an impact. The issue is we don't know how to fit him in tactically which is a scouting/strategy issue which we've seen a bit on a larger scale with Nunez.  We need to know exactly what we're buying and how we're going to use players before we buy them. Gakpo straight off the bat for example.

We dont need any more midgets in midfield, which is why I dont really have much enthusiasm for Mac Allister. I like Carvalho but we are not in a position to indulge his development. If he doesnt fit in, sell or loan.

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« Reply #3279 on: May 27, 2023, 09:57:44 am »


Falk suggesting Schmadke will be looking at younger players with potential to make big improvements in the German market, name checked Kone

This will be great if we can cherry pick a few of the top gettable talents not at Bayern or RB