Topic: Fuck the Tories - Ban the Meat Tax! It's a 7-bin binfire...

[Dr. Beaker]

If they force us to endure another leadership contest that number will plummet yet further.

[west_london_red]

Ipsos: CON: 24% (-4)
Deltapoll: CON: 23% (-5)


Think it might be time for a new PM lads.....

When were the previous results that they are comparing to with the -4 and -5?

[oldfordie]

It's a critical period for the Tory party,  the nutters know the direction of the party for many years to come is at stake, I don't think they realise the battles already been lost. let the nutters hog the limelight. it's all down to voters now, voters will decide the direction of the Tory party after the next election. we can only hope they get hammered and the Tory party accept why they've been decimated and change course going into the following election, disowning the ERG and the corrupt liars, if they get hammered next year and come back with the same Populist bullshit after being hammered in 2024 then they will get hammered again in 2029, they have to disown this government before they can move on so they can ask the country to trust them again.

[TheShanklyGates]

Ipsos: CON: 24% (-4)
Deltapoll: CON: 23% (-5)


Think it might be time for a new PM lads.....

The numbers are damning.

[Red Beret]

Those numbers are pretty damning all round, really. Even Labour doesn't do that well out of them.

That people don't see Labour as different to other parties when compared to the Tories considering what they have put the country through is alarming. 49% still feel Labour are divided; only 34% think Labour are fit to govern.

Am I reading this thing wrong?

[TheShanklyGates]

Those numbers are pretty damning all round, really. Even Labour doesn't do that well out of them.

That people don't see Labour as different to other parties when compared to the Tories considering what they have put the country through is alarming. 49% still feel Labour are divided; only 34% think Labour are fit to govern.

Am I reading this thing wrong?

Nope, you're reading it correctly. Labour are winning pretty much by default at the moment because the Tories are so monumentally awful.

[Red-Soldier]

Nope, you're reading it correctly. Labour are winning pretty much by default at the moment because the Tories are so monumentally awful.

I've been saying that for a while, but some on here wont have it.

[Machae]

I've been saying that for a while, but some on here wont have it.

It's all a clever game by Starmer (it really isn't, Tories are just totally shite)

[Red-Soldier]

Gives me confidence in Britain's future is particularly shite!

[west_london_red]

The BBC reporting the Tories are going to row back on their climate plans, playing to the gammon vote like they did in Uxbridge

[Elmo!]

Think the issue is, as bad as the Tories are, and as unlikely it is they get their shit together before an election, if they somehow do, those nummbers say to me that Labour's lead could be pretty soft.

[oldfordie]

I've been saying that for a while, but some on here wont have it.

People have been saying Labour refuse to walk into all the same old traps . they have been saying the Torys are in crisis, they have f.. up literally everything. corruption. the reasons for this is part of the answer of why Labour are so far ahead and why the public know they are a disaster. all the headlines are about Torys chaos and sleeze etc. Labour have refused to play their game and gift then ammo to make a lot of those news headlines negative Labour headlines.
Yes part of the reasons why Labour are so far ahead is the Torys are so bad but we knew that before the last election, people were saying Labour should be 20pts ahead then as well and the same argument could have been made then, Labour are only ahead because the Torys are so bad but that didn't happen.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Think the issue is, as bad as the Tories are, and as unlikely it is they get their shit together before an election, if they somehow do, those nummbers say to me that Labour's lead could be pretty soft.

And this is why the Tories will be back sooner than people think. There should be radical electoral reform while Labour and other opposition parties are ascendant to ensure that the UK cannot again be ruled by 'the tyranny of the minority'. And although Labour may well need to play it cool for now, I strongly expect that there will be no moves to do this once they do win power. They will just go along with the age-old antidemocratic FPTP system because they feel it suits them. I hope Labour prove me wrong.

[Bioluminescence]

The BBC reporting the Tories are going to row back on their climate plans, playing to the gammon vote like they did in Uxbridge

That worked because it was ULEZ-focused, didn't it? I'm not sure about the exact figure but about 75% of Brits are concerned about the climate crisis so on that point alone it doesn't make sense. Of course it's an absolute disaster of a decision if they push ahead with it, and it would surprise precisely no one if they do.

[Red Beret]

I don't think the problem is with Labour. I just think the electorate is largely composed of fucknuggets.

to be honest, when you consider how badly skewered the mainstream media are against Labour, it's remarkable those numbers are as good as they are.

[rob1966]

That worked because it was ULEZ-focused, didn't it? I'm not sure about the exact figure but about 75% of Brits are concerned about the climate crisis so on that point alone it doesn't make sense. Of course it's an absolute disaster of a decision if they push ahead with it, and it would surprise precisely no one if they do.

Yes, its people living in the suburbs having to pay to drive or sell perfectly good cars at a loss that it appealed to.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

There's only one direction of travel for the Tory Party, and right wing politics in general, and that's becoming ever more enraged, conspiratorial and insane. She'll fit in perfectly well in such an environment. It's not like you can shame the woman in any way or get her to accept she may have had a role in her own downfall. It used to be that you suspected most Tories didn't really believe their own bullshit but with Truss she probably does think that the woke blob and the famously radical left-wing financial sector sabotaged her.

Far more likely the people who backed her just find a new, less baggage laden host for their unpleasant ideas though.

If you have ever read Michael Moorcock then what he was writing about an insane country called The Dark Empire of Granbretan, then I think hes predicted the future and the nuclear holocaust pretty well to be honest

[Red-Soldier]

Think the issue is, as bad as the Tories are, and as unlikely it is they get their shit together before an election, if they somehow do, those nummbers say to me that Labour's lead could be pretty soft.

I've been saying this for ages.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I don't think the problem is with Labour. I just think the electorate is largely composed of fucknuggets.

to be honest, when you consider how badly skewered the mainstream media are against Labour, it's remarkable those numbers are as good as they are.

Yep. Agree. It's quite depressing how genuinely thick British voters are. Even after 13 years of disaster some people vote Tory because they are either on the gravy train or believe themselves to be getting on it soon.

Thatcher was one bad c*nt.

[Bioluminescence]

Yes, its people living in the suburbs having to pay to drive or sell perfectly good cars at a loss that it appealed to.

There's definitely a case to help those who need new vehicles more. About 90% of vehicles are already ULEZ-compliant, something that seems to get lost in all this.

This Guardian article from over a year ago saw this change in policy coming:

Even those in the green space who do not vote Conservative grudgingly said that a lot of the policies put forward were pretty good. But underneath all this, there’s been a slow, creeping campaign by a nimble rightwing group of MPs who have been winning over key colleagues to the climate-sceptic cause.

Fresh from his Brexit win, MP for Wycombe Steve Baker found another cosy consensus to shatter – that of net zero. Baker, who commands the powerful ERG group credited with pushing a hard Brexit, became a trustee of climate-sceptic thinktank, the Global Warming Policy Foundation. He then, along with colleague Craig Mackinlay, set up the parliamentary Net Zero Scrutiny Group, launching it in the pages of the Telegraph and getting around 20 MPs to sign up. They said that they wanted to question net zero and argued that it was too expensive.

This rang alarm bells for me, and so in February this year my colleague Matt Taylor and I dug into it and found the group had been lobbying other MPs for months and slowly trying to chip away at climate consensus. We warned that the Conservatives were slipping into a climate culture war, similar to the one they had over Brexit.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I've been saying this for ages.

It would bee nice if you ever said anything insightful or interesting or worthwhile.

I've fallen out with mates that have admitted that they want the Tories back in power to 'Prove Jeremy right'

FFS

c*nts

[PaulF]

You ok Andy hun? You're normally quite reasoned. Seen a lot of angry posts from you lately.

I think R-S has been saying for a while the Conservatives will jettison green investment if it means they can be seen to put money into voters' pockets.
(Or the companies that would benefit from green policies aren't putting enough into Tory coffers).

[Red-Soldier]

It would bee nice if you ever said anything insightful or interesting or worthwhile.

I've fallen out with mates that have admitted that they want the Tories back in power to 'Prove Jeremy right'

FFS

c*nts

[Andy @ Allerton!]

So. Cards on the table.

Next election. What do you want? Let's go from there.

[Red-Soldier]

So. Cards on the table.

Next election. What do you want? Let's go from there.

Hoping for a Tory landslide, of course.

[TheShanklyGates]

Hoping for a Tory landslide, of course.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Hoping for a Tory landslide, of course.

[TepidT2O]

So, loads about them rolling back on climate commitments.  And we once again miss out on the chance to invest in the new industries that will build the world ….See the boom the US are getting from investing?

Pragmatically we aren’t going to see no petrol or diesel new sales by 2030.  We have nearly no infrastructure (thanks Tories!).  I just can’t imagine how we could roll it all out in that time

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Sunak has probably found a coal seam under his basement.

c*nts are only happy when they're fucking the country over. On the bright side, there is no way that the racists will ever vote for a PM of Indian descent.

[TepidT2O]

Sunak has probably found a coal seam under his basement.

c*nts are only happy when they're fucking the country over. On the bright side, there is no way that the racists will ever vote for a PM of Indian descent.

I don’t know … I think this will tear them to pieces (again).  There’s a good chunk of the Tory party that is actually conservative and wants to conserve the environment ….. not the majority, but enough to cause big issues here.  Maybe enough to defeat motions in the commons

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Our prick of a King had better pipe up.

[TepidT2O]

The Tories are on 5% with 18-24 year olds and 18% for 25-55 year olds.

What the fuck is wrong with the over 55s??  (I know… not all of you fine folk!).

[west_london_red]

Sunak has probably found a coal seam under his basement.

c*nts are only happy when they're fucking the country over. On the bright side, there is no way that the racists will ever vote for a PM of Indian descent.

You’re assuming he’s still in the job by the election!

[TepidT2O]

You’re assuming he’s still in the job by the election!

It gets more doubtful by the day.  A Truss come back?  Too weird maybe, but something crazy could happen

[WhereAngelsPlay]

You’re assuming he’s still in the job by the election!

Assassins on the way ? 

[west_london_red]

The Tories are on 5% with 18-24 year olds and 18% for 25-55 year olds.

What the fuck is wrong with the over 55s??  (I know… not all of you fine folk!).

WTF is wrong with 18% of 25-55 year olds?!?!

[west_london_red]

Assassins on the way ? 

I shouldn’t laugh

[west_london_red]

It gets more doubtful by the day.  A Truss come back?  Too weird maybe, but something crazy could happen

Nah, she’s too toxic even for them but I can see another change coming up soon, they have little to lose by rolling the dice and trying someone else.

[Statto Red]

It gets more doubtful by the day.  A Truss come back?  Too weird maybe, but something crazy could happen

A Truss come back insure the Tories are wiped out at the GE, she blew £30 billion with that idiotic mini budget [which she still refuses to take the blame for] in her 7 week reign [& 2 weeks of those were spent mourning the death of the Queen], Sunak is weak & useless, but surely Truss is far to toxic even for the Tories now.

[PaulF]

All heil Braverman.