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Obviously the Brexit effects are only just showing and it's going to get a lot, lot worse.. but for now..

.. Brexit is going great. Sunlit fucking plateaus full of fucking wonder
.. Brexit is just taking time, it'll be reet
Moo!
.. Brexit is pretty bad, but maybe will get better
.. Brexit is terrible
.. Rees Mogg and all the Brexiters should be hung off a lamp-post.
.. Rees Mogg and all the Brexiters should be hung off a lamp-post AND I like cheese

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« Reply #8440 on: March 20, 2024, 09:58:46 am »
I’m beginning to think the Tories know the world is fucked and have built Silos or colony transports to Mars for the super rich.
I hope so.
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« Reply #8441 on: March 20, 2024, 10:25:57 am »
I hope so.

Ben Elton nailed it back in 1989. It's about cabal of billionaires secretly building a spaceship to escape earth because they've polluted the shit out of it.

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« Reply #8442 on: March 20, 2024, 10:55:13 am »
Ben Elton nailed it back in 1989. It's about cabal of billionaires secretly building a spaceship to escape earth because they've polluted the shit out of it.



The good news is that they realised being in space in orbit was shite and the lead dickhead topped himself at the end.
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« Reply #8443 on: March 22, 2024, 02:06:52 pm »
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« Reply #8444 on: April 3, 2024, 08:43:48 pm »
Yet another Brexit win...

Food price fears as Brexit import charges revealed

The government has revealed how much companies will have to pay to import foods from the EU due to Brexit.

Small imports of products such as fish, salami, sausage, cheese and yoghurt will be subject to fees of up to £145 from 30 April, according to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.

The Cold Chain Federation said the new charges would hit food prices.

The government said the fees would pay for "world-class border facilities".

The fee, known as the "common user charge", will apply to animal products, plants and plant products entering the UK from the EU through the Port of Dover and the Eurotunnel at Folkestone.

It will be charged per type of good imported - the "commodity line" - and capped at £145 for mixed consignments. Individual products will face charges of up to £29. It will apply to goods deemed low, medium and high risk.

The Cold Chain Federation's chief executive Phil Pluck said the fee would have to be passed on to "either the EU importer, the smaller UK retailer, or the UK consumer".

"Ultimately, this will increase business costs and food prices and potentially lower choices for the shopper," he said.

He added that the government had "announced the charges at the last minute, leaving affected businesses little time to revise their commercial arrangements".


The fee has been introduced to pay for border inspections and fund new facilities in Kent to protect biosecurity - preventing the import of plant and animal disease.

But the Horticultural Trades Association (HTA) said the policy felt like it was "constructed on the back of an envelope at best" and would "undoubtedly increase costs, potentially reduce consumer choice, and increase the likelihood of empty shelves".

"Our sector typically has multiple commodity lines per consignment, meaning, in reality, businesses in our sector will be paying the £145 maximum charge," said James Barnes, the HTA chairman.

Horticultural consignments can include plants, seeds, bulbs and cut flowers, he said.

The government has delayed implementing the changes five times, partly to give business time to prepare and to reduce disruption to supply chains.

The new border checks will be phased in gradually over the next 12 months but physical checks have been flagged as starting on 30 April for some time. However, the cost associated with those checks had not been revealed until now.

Prior to Brexit, trade between the EU and the UK was free flowing and frictionless.

But following the UK's departure from the trading bloc, this changed as a result of the relatively distant approach to EU relations adopted by the UK government.

In a statement the government said the flat-rate charge was at the "bottom end of the range which we consulted with industry on".

It said the charge was designed to "recover the costs of operating our world-class border facilities where essential biosecurity checks will protect our food supply, farmers and environment against costly disease outbreaks entering the UK through the short straits".

A spokesperson said: "The charges follow extensive consultation with industry and a cap has been set specifically to help smaller businesses. We are committed to supporting businesses of all sizes and across all sectors as they adapt to new border checks and maintaining the smooth flow of imported goods."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68726852

Who wants to eat that foreign muck anyway   ::) ::)
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« Reply #8445 on: April 3, 2024, 09:30:24 pm »
Yet another Brexit win...

Food price fears as Brexit import charges revealed

The government has revealed how much companies will have to pay to import foods from the EU due to Brexit.

Small imports of products such as fish, salami, sausage, cheese and yoghurt will be subject to fees of up to £145 from 30 April, according to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.

The Cold Chain Federation said the new charges would hit food prices.

The government said the fees would pay for "world-class border facilities".

The fee, known as the "common user charge", will apply to animal products, plants and plant products entering the UK from the EU through the Port of Dover and the Eurotunnel at Folkestone.

It will be charged per type of good imported - the "commodity line" - and capped at £145 for mixed consignments. Individual products will face charges of up to £29. It will apply to goods deemed low, medium and high risk.

The Cold Chain Federation's chief executive Phil Pluck said the fee would have to be passed on to "either the EU importer, the smaller UK retailer, or the UK consumer".

"Ultimately, this will increase business costs and food prices and potentially lower choices for the shopper," he said.

He added that the government had "announced the charges at the last minute, leaving affected businesses little time to revise their commercial arrangements".


The fee has been introduced to pay for border inspections and fund new facilities in Kent to protect biosecurity - preventing the import of plant and animal disease.

But the Horticultural Trades Association (HTA) said the policy felt like it was "constructed on the back of an envelope at best" and would "undoubtedly increase costs, potentially reduce consumer choice, and increase the likelihood of empty shelves".

"Our sector typically has multiple commodity lines per consignment, meaning, in reality, businesses in our sector will be paying the £145 maximum charge," said James Barnes, the HTA chairman.

Horticultural consignments can include plants, seeds, bulbs and cut flowers, he said.

The government has delayed implementing the changes five times, partly to give business time to prepare and to reduce disruption to supply chains.

The new border checks will be phased in gradually over the next 12 months but physical checks have been flagged as starting on 30 April for some time. However, the cost associated with those checks had not been revealed until now.

Prior to Brexit, trade between the EU and the UK was free flowing and frictionless.

But following the UK's departure from the trading bloc, this changed as a result of the relatively distant approach to EU relations adopted by the UK government.

In a statement the government said the flat-rate charge was at the "bottom end of the range which we consulted with industry on".

It said the charge was designed to "recover the costs of operating our world-class border facilities where essential biosecurity checks will protect our food supply, farmers and environment against costly disease outbreaks entering the UK through the short straits".

A spokesperson said: "The charges follow extensive consultation with industry and a cap has been set specifically to help smaller businesses. We are committed to supporting businesses of all sizes and across all sectors as they adapt to new border checks and maintaining the smooth flow of imported goods."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68726852

Who wants to eat that foreign muck anyway   ::) ::)

Making food less price attractive from abroad is a good thing. But Id rather keep to European produce only, none of that shite from outside Europe.

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« Reply #8446 on: April 3, 2024, 10:28:53 pm »
Making food less price attractive from abroad is a good thing. But Id rather keep to European produce only, none of that shite from outside Europe.

That's a somewhat simplistic look at the whole thing though. There might be food that's not available in sufficient numbers in the UK, so it has to come from abroad. If that gets more expensive, there'll either be shortages (or no supply at all) or it will become more expensive. At the same time, it also gives UK producers the possibility of increasing their prices and therefore making more money as long as they stay below the prices for imported products of the same category. Rising food prices aren't an issue, if you can afford it, but if you already have a big number of people who can't afford the old prices the whole thing gets even worse.

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« Reply #8447 on: April 3, 2024, 11:18:02 pm »
Making food less price attractive from abroad is a good thing. But Id rather keep to European produce only, none of that shite from outside Europe.

This will push up prices of things the UK can’t or doesn’t supply. Instead you’ll see more non-European produce in supermarkets.

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« Reply #8448 on: April 4, 2024, 05:51:57 am »
Yet another Brexit win...

Food price fears as Brexit import charges revealed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68726852

Love that in typical Brexit-UK efficiency, the law for checking these imports came into effect on 1st Feb, but they only decided on the charges two months later.
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« Reply #8449 on: April 4, 2024, 08:54:24 am »
I'm shocked to see that food comes to us via Dover.
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« Reply #8450 on: April 4, 2024, 10:07:42 am »
Am I really the only one who appreciates our "world-class border facilities". They never learn do they.
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« Reply #8451 on: April 4, 2024, 10:18:45 am »
Making food less price attractive from abroad is a good thing. But Id rather keep to European produce only, none of that shite from outside Europe.

So no more bendy bananas.
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« Reply #8452 on: April 4, 2024, 10:34:45 am »
Am I really the only one who appreciates our "world-class border facilities". They never learn do they.

Personally I am glad for the two week Easter hols. I don't have to take the kids out of school to go and tour these facilities.

Do they use these facilities for imports from the EU , or just rest of the world.  Thinking out loud EU suppliers might prepare goods to EU standards for EU customers but a lower standard for us.  On the fence as to whether that would be doing. And fair enough we should check just in case.  I don't know if EU law "prevents" produce being supplied to non-EU countries at lower standards.

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« Reply #8453 on: April 4, 2024, 11:36:32 am »
Personally I am glad for the two week Easter hols. I don't have to take the kids out of school to go and tour these facilities.

Do they use these facilities for imports from the EU , or just rest of the world.  Thinking out loud EU suppliers might prepare goods to EU standards for EU customers but a lower standard for us.  On the fence as to whether that would be doing. And fair enough we should check just in case.  I don't know if EU law "prevents" produce being supplied to non-EU countries at lower standards.

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That was my worry a while ago. Not that they deliberately prepare things for lower standards, but that exporters might send stuff to the UK that for some reason doesn't meet EU standards, knowing that the UK wouldn't check . Lettuce that got an extra dose of pesticide, for example, or anything like that. The EU wouldn't stop them being exported, why would they, so at least I think the UK shohld be checking the imports.

Obviously, it was all much easier, cheaper, and safer, when the UK just agreed to follow the same standards as the EU. But as over half of Brits prefer to eat shit, here we are.
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« Reply #8454 on: April 4, 2024, 11:56:33 am »
I'm shocked to see that food comes to us via Dover.

Dunno if you are taking the piss or not?

Making food less price attractive from abroad is a good thing. But Id rather keep to European produce only, none of that shite from outside Europe.

That's exactly what we're going to end up with.

That's a somewhat simplistic look at the whole thing though. There might be food that's not available in sufficient numbers in the UK, so it has to come from abroad. If that gets more expensive, there'll either be shortages (or no supply at all) or it will become more expensive. At the same time, it also gives UK producers the possibility of increasing their prices and therefore making more money as long as they stay below the prices for imported products of the same category. Rising food prices aren't an issue, if you can afford it, but if you already have a big number of people who can't afford the old prices the whole thing gets even worse.

Also, the cheaper supermarkets are now, from what I'm seeing in Aldi, getting the shite end of the quality scale after Tesco/Asda/Morrisions/M&S/Waitrose have had their pick of the crop. Peppers are awful, onions, mushrooms, small, out of shape, look on their last legs, going off even though withing sell by date, the spuds are a mess, bag of Maris Pipers the other day and half the spuds were black inside. Chicken breasts are shit quality.

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« Reply #8455 on: April 4, 2024, 12:04:56 pm »
Dunno if you are taking the piss or not?


Absolutely taking the piss.  Didn't the MP in charge of something related fail to realise a lot of stuff came in from there?
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« Reply #8456 on: April 4, 2024, 12:17:19 pm »
Absolutely taking the piss.  Didn't the MP in charge of something related fail to realise a lot of stuff came in from there?
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« Reply #8457 on: April 4, 2024, 01:22:25 pm »
Dunno if you are taking the piss or not?




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In comments reported by the Politico website, he said: “I hadn’t quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.

“And that is one of the reasons why we have wanted to make sure we have a specific and very proximate relationship with the EU, to ensure frictionless trade at the border … I don’t think it is a question so much of the risk of major shortages, but I think probably the average consumer might not be aware of the full extent to which the choice of goods that we have in the stores are dependent on one or two very specific trade routes.”
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« Reply #8458 on: April 4, 2024, 01:53:01 pm »
Absolutely taking the piss.  Didn't the MP in charge of something related fail to realise a lot of stuff came in from there?

Oh shit yeah, I forgot about the utter twats (I think Shapps was as in the dark as Raab) who didn't realise Dover was a vital port until the RHA told him ;D  I take it the soft c*nts never listen to Radio 2 and Sally Traffic talking about Operation Stack. Mind you, there's not much freight traffic here is there?

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« Reply #8459 on: April 5, 2024, 12:09:01 am »
Oh shit yeah, I forgot about the utter twats (I think Shapps was as in the dark as Raab) who didn't realise Dover was a vital port until the RHA told him ;D  I take it the soft c*nts never listen to Radio 2 and Sally Traffic talking about Operation Stack. Mind you, there's not much freight traffic here is there?


You probably know this better than anyone on here but the Southbound M20 still has the lorry/car split to this day.  It's such an in-your-face example of how unprepared the UK were for the realities of Brexit.  Eight years after the vote and coming on for five years since an "oven ready" deal was dreamt up but a major motorway is still acting as an emergency lorry park.

We drove down to Folkestone last weekend and there were a few cars in amongst the stationary lorries that had obviously been caught out by the motorway splitting.  What a way to start your holiday  :butt

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« Reply #8460 on: April 11, 2024, 10:43:27 am »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/11/new-brexit-checks-to-cost-uk-business-2bn-and-fuel-inflation-report-finds

New Brexit checks to cost UK business £2bn and fuel inflation, report finds

Additional measures from 30 April for imported animal and plant products could hike costs by 10% in first year, says Allianz Trade

New post-Brexit UK border controls coming into force later this month will cost British businesses £2bn and fuel higher inflation, according to a report warning that UK-EU trade will be damaged as a result.

With less than a month before the introduction of new checks on animal and plant products from 30 April, the insurer Allianz Trade said the controls agreed under Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson’s Brexit deal could add 10% to import costs over the first year.

Ministers last week revealed that businesses could be charged up to £145 for each consignment imported through Dover, prompting warnings that this would drive up food prices and disproportionately hurt small businesses.

The Allianz report said that the checks, part of the government’s “border target operating model” (Btom), would affect £21bn of agricultural product imports, including eggs, live trees and plants, meat and fish, covering about 3% of all UK imports.

These new costs were the equivalent to adding a 10% tariff on these imports, it said, with Allianz indicating that EU companies would be likely to pass on these costs to UK customers.

It said these items accounted for about 6% of the overall basket of goods used to calculate the UK’s headline inflation rate, and that the additional costs could add 0.2 percentage points to inflation, with dairy, meat and fish most affected.

Inflation has fallen back from over 10% last year to 3.4%, helped by cooling food prices after the sharpest annual increase since the late 1970s. However, food prices are still 30% higher than three years ago.

Last October, the government estimated that the additional checks would cost businesses an extra £330m a year, and add less than 0.2 percentage points to headline inflation over three years.

The Allianz report found the inflationary pressures from the new checks would be tempered by a two-year suspension of tariffs on goods not covered by free trade agreements, which would cut import costs by £7bn. This included some agricultural products but also cars, fuels, metals and other non-food goods.

The report said that because these products represented 45% of total UK imports, it would have the effect of reducing overall inflation by 0.6 percentage points over the next year.

Responding to the Allianz report, Phil Pluck, the chief executive of the Cold Chain Federation, said that even before it was implemented it was “becoming evident that the Btom model was broken”. He said: “Without listening to the experts, the government will seriously damage business confidence in the UK and add costs to a consumer’s weekly shop.”


The report comes as British firms also face the prospect of tougher barriers to exporting to the EU as the UK steadily falls behind the introduction of new rules set by Brussels.

A separate study by UK in a Changing Europe, an academic thinktank, said UK companies would have “little choice” but to follow new EU standards currently being pushed through the Strasbourg parliament before elections in June.

It said the EU was going into “legislative overdrive” to complete reforms before the summer, while the UK government’s agenda had “all but dried up” as the general election loomed.

Warning a gulf was opening up between UK and EU rules on supply chains, digital competition and environmental standards, it said many of the changes would “de facto apply in the UK” for British firms looking to sell goods and services in the EU single market.

Joël Reland, a research associate at UK in a Changing Europe, said: “The UK is living next door to a regulatory behemoth, which it cannot afford to ignore. Even after Brexit, the EU remains the UK’s chief export market, so British businesses have little choice but to conform with new EU regulations.

“The main difference is that now the UK government has no means of influencing EU policy decisions from the inside.”

A government spokesperson said: “We do not recognise these figures. These checks will have a minimal impact on food prices and consumers, while saving traders and businesses around £520m each year compared to the model originally proposed.

“Our border checks are fundamental to protecting the UK’s food supply chain, farmers and natural environment against costly diseases reaching our shores.”
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« Reply #8461 on: April 11, 2024, 10:47:12 am »
But surely at least it's oven ready.
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« Reply #8462 on: April 11, 2024, 11:05:00 am »
But surely at least it's oven ready.
As is usual, you pay more for 'oven ready'.
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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8463 on: April 11, 2024, 11:30:46 am »
But surely at least it's oven ready.
I suppose it was, The UK put it's head in the Oven with Brexit.
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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8464 on: April 11, 2024, 01:38:31 pm »
I suppose it was, The UK put it's head in the Oven with Brexit.
But couldn't afford to put the gas on.
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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8465 on: April 11, 2024, 02:27:48 pm »
Get Labour in, get back into the customs union, join the markets.

call it whatever you want.

Easy, on paper.  ;D

At least the data favours a clean Labour win to then be able to get all this done, unlike the US election.

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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8466 on: April 11, 2024, 06:23:43 pm »
Get Labour in, get back into the customs union, join the markets.

call it whatever you want.

Easy, on paper.  ;D

At least the data favours a clean Labour win to then be able to get all this done, unlike the US election.

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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8470 on: April 18, 2024, 10:36:01 am »
Brexit driven drug shortages continue

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/patients-face-new-normal-of-medicines-shortages-as-uk-hampered-by-supply-issues-and-impact-of-eu-exit



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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8471 on: April 18, 2024, 05:23:18 pm »
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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8472 on: April 18, 2024, 06:40:45 pm »
This is a positive step - be interesting to see what Rishi & Co make of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/18/brussels-proposes-return-to-pre-brexit-free-movement-for-uk-and-eu-young-people?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Would rush this through at top speed however my only worry is that this would be used by the usual flag waving brexit means brexit suspects ahead of the election to gain votes.

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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8473 on: April 18, 2024, 07:20:20 pm »
This is a positive step - be interesting to see what Rishi & Co make of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/18/brussels-proposes-return-to-pre-brexit-free-movement-for-uk-and-eu-young-people?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It's a no brainer but sadly the government and opposition are all hard Brexiteers these days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046

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And Labour has said it has "no plans for a youth mobility scheme" if it wins the general election later this year.

A party spokesperson said it had already pledged "no return to the single market, customs union or free movement" if it takes office.
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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8474 on: April 18, 2024, 10:16:56 pm »
It's a no brainer but sadly the government and opposition are all hard Brexiteers these days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046


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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8475 on: April 18, 2024, 10:36:20 pm »
It's a no brainer but sadly the government and opposition are all hard Brexiteers these days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68848046
You're trying to re-write history, a hard Brexit comes when you refuse to follow EU rules and regulations, we are in this position because the hard left have always opposed this on principle, Benn, Corbyn all argued nobody should tell us what to do on principle, the hard left fought for this and they got it.
Starmers Labour are calling for closer alignment, that means agreeing to more EU rules, that is not a hard Brexit.
It might take our producers five minutes to find 60 economists who feared Brexit and five hours to find a sole voice who espoused it.
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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8476 on: April 18, 2024, 11:38:44 pm »
You're trying to re-write history, a hard Brexit comes when you refuse to follow EU rules and regulations, we are in this position because the hard left have always opposed this on principle, Benn, Corbyn all argued nobody should tell us what to do on principle, the hard left fought for this and they got it.
Starmers Labour are calling for closer alignment, that means agreeing to more EU rules, that is not a hard Brexit.

You are the one who is rewriting history, I remember when hard Brexit meant leaving the single market and customs union before the Tory press got hold of the narrative.

Literally the first result on a Google search for 'hard brexit' to prove my memory isn't playing tricks on me.

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‘Hard Brexit’ was a phrase used during the Brexit process to capture the anticipated economic, social and political impact of a sharp break in relations between the UK and the EU as a result of the UK leaving the bloc. A ‘hard’ Brexit most often implied a radically different economic relationship between the UK and the EU than had been the case while the UK was an EU member. Most obviously, it came to mean a future relationship with the UK outside the EU’s single market and customs union, and trading with the EU on the basis of a free trade agreement.
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-facts/what-is-hard-brexit/

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Brexit could have taken many forms. Advocates of a ‘soft Brexit’ would have sought to retain a close relationship with the EU, staying inside the EU’s single market or in the European customs union, or both.
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-facts/what-is-soft-brexit/

Is there anything at all you won't blame the 'hard left' on or any discussion you won't bring Corbyn into? So fucking tiresome.
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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8477 on: April 19, 2024, 12:03:54 am »
This is a positive step - be interesting to see what Rishi & Co make of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/18/brussels-proposes-return-to-pre-brexit-free-movement-for-uk-and-eu-young-people?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

They’ll never agree to it, the EU’s trying to brainwash our children into wanting to rejoin the EU or some such crap will be their argument.
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« Reply #8478 on: April 19, 2024, 12:06:15 am »
You are the one who is rewriting history, I remember when hard Brexit meant leaving the single market and customs union before the Tory press got hold of the narrative.

Literally the first result on a Google search for 'hard brexit' to prove my memory isn't playing tricks on me.
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-facts/what-is-hard-brexit/
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-facts/what-is-soft-brexit/

Is there anything at all you won't blame the 'hard left' on or any discussion you won't bring Corbyn into? So fucking tiresome.
???  Corbyn became relevant when you tried to re-write history trying to claim Starmers Labour are hard Brexiteers. am setting the record straight.
 Do you understand the conditions of being in the Single Market?
It means you have to agree and accept all EU rules and regulations. the hard left opposed this on principle, Corbyn argued we should be free to decide our own laws, that can only mean a hard Brexit as a soft brexit means accepting EU rules and regulations.

I understand the difference between a hard Brexit and a soft Brexit. a simple definition is we should be back in the single market which is basically a ready made deal you don't need to negotiate but there are other ways of achieving a soft Brexit, agree to as many EU rules and regulations as possible which will make trade between the UK and EU more reliable, cheaper and faster. your taking away the trade barriers,  that's impossible under the hard lefts policy on Brexit.
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“But by the time we went on air we simply had one of each; we presented this unequal effort to our audience as balance. It wasn’t.”
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Re: Brexit. the Con continues
« Reply #8479 on: April 19, 2024, 12:12:02 am »
They’ll never agree to it, the EU’s trying to brainwash our children into wanting to rejoin the EU or some such crap will be their argument.


By ‘They’ - I’m assuming you mean the Government?

I find it interesting that they’ve floated this in an election year. FWIW, I don’t for one moment expect the almost paranoid caution displayed by HM Opposition to continue once the election is won. I think they’re utterly determined to give zero ‘ammunition’ to the usual suspects until it’s over.

If I’m wrong, and Rachel Reeves really is Thatcher’s re-incarnation, and Wes Streeting Gove’s successor, I’ll come in here and admit I was duped.
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