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Graeme Souness
« on: February 20, 2020, 12:36:37 PM »
Told a very touching story on the Irish Radio program Off The Ball. It was 1984 and Liverpool we’re playing away in a league match. Souness was late getting on the bus and Joe Fagan gave him loads about it. Souness proceeds to sit down on the bus on his own.  As he sat down someone tipped Fagan off that Souness heard his mother had only a day to live. Fagan proceeded to join Souness down the bus and put his arm around him for the rest of the journey. Souness understandably got very emotional retelling this. Class act from a classy Mr Fagan. These men were hard but they had a heart.

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2020, 01:24:12 PM »
Joe was as crucial to our success as anyone really; he was the link between the management (especially under Bob) and the players and the player's man in the coaching team/the one to break bad news etc. by all accounts.

I fear he's a largely forgotten figure in our history certainly outside Merseyside but he shouldn't be; absolutely integral part of the Boot Room.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2020, 07:08:11 PM »
Joe was as crucial to our success as anyone really; he was the link between the management (especially under Bob) and the players and the player's man in the coaching team/the one to break bad news etc. by all accounts.

I fear he's a largely forgotten figure in our history certainly outside Merseyside but he shouldn't be; absolutely integral part of the Boot Room.

Completely agree!
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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2020, 08:01:42 PM »
Joe was as crucial to our success as anyone really; he was the link between the management (especially under Bob) and the players and the player's man in the coaching team/the one to break bad news etc. by all accounts.

I fear he's a largely forgotten figure in our history certainly outside Merseyside but he shouldn't be; absolutely integral part of the Boot Room.

Smoking Joe was as successful in 1984 as any Liverpool manager has ever been. so his place in our history cannot be denied.

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2020, 08:24:37 PM »
He was one of our own was Joe Fagan.
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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #5 on: April 1, 2020, 04:21:25 PM »
Does anyone foresee the time when Souness is rehabilitated in the eyes of both the club and supporters? I appreciate he was a disaster as manager and caused untold hurt by selling the story of his heart op. He was though one of the finest players in the history of the club and I'm hoping time allows him to be viewed more favourably.

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #6 on: April 1, 2020, 04:53:03 PM »
Does anyone foresee the time when Souness is rehabilitated in the eyes of both the club and supporters? I appreciate he was a disaster as manager and caused untold hurt by selling the story of his heart op. He was though one of the finest players in the history of the club and I'm hoping time allows him to be viewed more favourably.

There’s an excellent Graham Hunter podcast from a few years back where he discusses his career. Souness is before my time but he strikes me as a complicated figure for many supporters and a bit of a tragic hero. Hellishly brilliant but incredibly flawed too.

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #7 on: April 1, 2020, 04:58:33 PM »
Does anyone foresee the time when Souness is rehabilitated in the eyes of both the club and supporters? I appreciate he was a disaster as manager and caused untold hurt by selling the story of his heart op. He was though one of the finest players in the history of the club and I'm hoping time allows him to be viewed more favourably.
Souness was before my time, but I'm pretty sure most fans still hold him to a high regard. Maybe not as much as he would've been though.

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #8 on: April 1, 2020, 05:10:25 PM »
https://youtu.be/AWw4JeRU5tM
 
Souness speaks of 'deep regrets' as Liverpool manager in emotional reflection.

« Last Edit: April 1, 2020, 05:12:13 PM by DangerScouse »

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #9 on: April 1, 2020, 08:37:14 PM »
forgive and forget

well, maybe not forget but he's alright by me

at least he's no murdoch ass licker like Carra, says what he wants

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #10 on: April 1, 2020, 08:44:02 PM »
The look in his eyes at the end...

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #11 on: April 1, 2020, 08:57:56 PM »
forgive and forget

well, maybe not forget but he's alright by me

at least he's no murdoch ass licker like Carra, says what he wants
someone said when this came up here years ago forgiven not forgotten, I think that’s probably right.

He does genuinely care about the club and I think it does hurt him that his relationship is rather distant with the club when he should really be there more regularly in the directors box like you see kenny and rushie for things like big european nights not on Irish TV, let’s not forget he did have the decency to resign as manager instead of hang on, and although he doesn’t try to shirk responsibility for doing that interview he has mentioned that other players were still speaking to people from the rag which didn’t get as much attention as it should have

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #12 on: April 1, 2020, 09:03:29 PM »
Such a complicated and delicate part of our history.  Even without selling his story he still ripped up a generation's worth of work and it took us decades to recover.  That said, compared to some of the bile spouting bitterness of ex-Reds like Lawro or Murphy, Souness always come across as contrite.  He acknowledges his mistakes, and I don't feel he's ever tried to "rewrite history" to try and paint himself in a better light.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I forgive him.
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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #13 on: April 2, 2020, 12:12:45 PM »
Such a complicated and delicate part of our history.  Even without selling his story he still ripped up a generation's worth of work and it took us decades to recover.  That said, compared to some of the bile spouting bitterness of ex-Reds like Lawro or Murphy, Souness always come across as contrite.  He acknowledges his mistakes, and I don't feel he's ever tried to "rewrite history" to try and paint himself in a better light.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I forgive him.

Nicely put.

Also heard that Souness was especially supportive to Ray Kennedy in his fight with Parkinsons. And well away from the glare of publicity in doing so. Clearly there's a softer side to his hard man persona.

He made mistakes. We all do. He's owned up to those and shown contrition. He's a top Red as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #14 on: April 2, 2020, 06:07:05 PM »
Definitely a top Red. 
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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2020, 10:53:36 AM »
Nicely put.

Also heard that Souness was especially supportive to Ray Kennedy in his fight with Parkinsons. And well away from the glare of publicity in doing so. Clearly there's a softer side to his hard man persona.
was good mates with dale winton, a celebrity friendship you’d never expect!

Such a complicated and delicate part of our history.  Even without selling his story he still ripped up a generation's worth of work and it took us decades to recover. 
To be fair things did need changing and modernising, he just went about it the wrong way

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2020, 11:07:55 AM »
was good mates with dale winton, a celebrity friendship you’d never expect!
To be fair things did need changing and modernising, he just went about it the wrong way

Agreed, i think if he could turn the cluck back he would do things a little bit differently, i felt far too many good & great players were sold in the summer of 92, Ray Houghton being one. We also started getting a load of injuries to key players mostly in training, how many achilles injuries did we have in Souness era, Barnes did his achilles, & he wasn't the same player after that, he admits that himself.

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2020, 12:59:38 PM »
Agreed, i think if he could turn the cluck back

Never chickened out of a tackle, Souness...
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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2020, 06:32:46 PM »
Never chickened out of a tackle, Souness...

Did give away a few fowls though

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2020, 06:36:36 PM »
Oh fuck bloomin typo, now i'm in a fowl mood.  ;)

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #20 on: May 6, 2020, 09:06:00 AM »
Told a very touching story on the Irish Radio program Off The Ball. It was 1984 and Liverpool we’re playing away in a league match. Souness was late getting on the bus and Joe Fagan gave him loads about it. Souness proceeds to sit down on the bus on his own.  As he sat down someone tipped Fagan off that Souness heard his mother had only a day to live. Fagan proceeded to join Souness down the bus and put his arm around him for the rest of the journey. Souness understandably got very emotional retelling this. Class act from a classy Mr Fagan. These men were hard but they had a heart.

Don’t know how to embed the video but the story is here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/offtheball/status/1229559563353042948?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1229559563353042948&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.offtheball.com%2Fsoccer%2Fwatch-graeme-souness-pays-emotional-tribute-joe-fagan-mothers-death-969025

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2020, 07:25:49 PM »
I can't help feel a little bit sorry for Souness. He clearly loves the club and bitterly regrets what he did with the s*n. You can tell from those couple of interviews that he's still haunted by it.

He was before my time but he's always someone my dad has spoken about and he comes across like such a humble, down to earth bloke. You can see from the coverage over the last week just how much the club means to him. Seeing him raise a glass with thommo and kenny the other night was pretty touching. Really hit home the history that we've got, absolute giants.

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2020, 08:14:12 PM »
I can't help feel a little bit sorry for Souness. He clearly loves the club and bitterly regrets what he did with the s*n. You can tell from those couple of interviews that he's still haunted by it.

He was before my time but he's always someone my dad has spoken about and he comes across like such a humble, down to earth bloke. You can see from the coverage over the last week just how much the club means to him. Seeing him raise a glass with thommo and kenny the other night was pretty touching. Really hit home the history that we've got, absolute giants.

Watching them on Sky the other night brought back so many memories. Don't know what the noises were in Kenny's house though. Sounds like he needs an exorcist.

Who was that young fellah, Carragher or someone, who kept butting in?

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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2020, 08:16:28 PM »
The thing which took me by surprise was how emotional Souness was after the title win, its been a while since I have seen him so affected over us to that extent. It was actually good to see.
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Re: Graeme Souness
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2020, 08:37:37 PM »
He made a mistake, no doubt.  He comes across as a much better red than a lot of our ex-players thats for sure.

In my humble opinion it would be good to see him at the games in a non sky capacity.