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The bottomless pot of money is all about showing Abu Dhabi in the best possible light though. It is about a PR exercise for an abhorrent regime. It is about using City as a positive that reflects well on Abu Dhabi. They have two options claim they have been the victim of a witch hunt retire gracefully and reappear in a more favourable scenario or air their dirty laundry in public.

For me it will be the former option.

This is the interesting bit, for me. What's the point of Manchester City if it brings bad publicity? But I have it the other way: that he'll tough it out with lawyers and if he - eventually - loses, retire squealing about unfairness etc. Too much ego to simply say sorry and accept an even playing field going forwards. 

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Maybe a little bit unfair, a portuguese guy hacked the emails and gave (not sold, gave, as far as I can tell) them to Der Spigel. Not read why he picked Der Spigel but they do have a track record with this sort of thing I guess.  Having said that, I do agree that the english press are mostly gobshites and David Conn is excellent.

Spot on. Can't really blame the English press when Der Spiegel got the documents. There's a book about it by the guys involved and it reads like a spy story.
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You have to remember the environment the owners live in. They can pretty much do what they want and what they say goes. So for me it has to be arrogance.
Look at the email by the club lawyer threatening UEFA with millions spent on lawyers over years to bog them down. That attitude comes from the top.

Yep, when seen from the perspective of the world they exist in over there, I can certainly see why breathtaking arrogance would be par for the course with them. It's amazing how that supremely entitled attitude filtered down to their fanbase so quickly too.
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It's funny but I'm going to wait and see what happens after the appeal. Be just like this lot to be covered in shit and still come out smelling like roses.

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5Live is a joy at the moment. Some City journo on a rant. Glorious listening.

Blaming the cartel. Championing as an example for all little clubs who aren’t allowed a wealthy owner.

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They should just accept it and move on.

As mancunians have been so very fond of telling us over the years.


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5Live is a joy at the moment. Some City journo on a rant. Glorious listening.

Blaming the cartel. Championing as an example for all little clubs who aren’t allowed a wealthy owner.

He's on a right rant.....
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Some talk that city are going to swerve CAS and go to court....apparently going to challenge the legality of FFP.

But I thought you couldn’t take football courses to court?

Is that not right?
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He's on a right rant.....

He's basically blaming the rule makers for having rules...

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5Live is a joy at the moment. Some City journo on a rant. Glorious listening.

Blaming the cartel. Championing as an example for all little clubs who aren’t allowed a wealthy owner.
Is it that dickhead Stu Brennan?

Please, let it be him.
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It's only David Conn whose talking any sense tonight.
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So we win the league on a technicality now. FFS.

Let it kick in next season.

Although I agree that any points deduction should kick in at the start of next season, any notion that we will have won this title on a technicality would be ridiculous.

I could understand the concern if we were two points ahead. People could forever suggest that we only won it due to the deduction, but we are 22 points ahead.

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Imagine these cheats doing this and still never appearing in a European Cup final  :lmao :lmao Mentality midgets

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Some woman trying to allege stuff about UEFA now, being stopped.
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Some talk that city are going to swerve CAS and go to court....apparently going to challenge the legality of FFP.

But I thought you couldn’t take football courses to court?

Is that not right?

The rule of law is a precious and fundamental principle for dictators like Mansour.

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The other clubs in Europe will also be talking, and they are bigger clubs.
Also, 2013, in Europe, who listened to us?
Now, who doesn't?
And all we want is the rules.abided by.
And we don't shout, we don't scream, we explain how them abiding by their rules benefits them.
We're not scared of their phalanx of expensive lawyers.
Why should we be? They are lying and the documentation proves it.
Lawyers willing to defend that can only succeed by legal bullying.
But we won't be bullied.
And because we won't be, other clubs will take our lead, and they won't be.
And UEFA at that point can decide either to make money by taking a briefcase and perhaps one day being pulled up, or to abide by their own rules,and enforce them, and most likely end up making even more money, with no fear of having their collars felt.

Maybe I have gone too far, but never be afraid of threats of tying up the courts. That threat only needs to be made when you know the lawyers who can't be bought opposing you are far better than the ones you can muster.

What a lovely night, happy Valentine's everybody  :)

I agree with you and hope it all happens, just feel UEFA will back down to the power of money been thrown at the whole thing. That said City are not a big club......

Does anyone know what happened with the PSG case?

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It's only David Conn whose talking any sense tonight.
David Conn is always the model of integrity when it comes to City.  They must absolutely hate him.

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Some woman trying to allege stuff about UEFA now, being stopped.

There's some fucking mental people around.

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Some talk that city are going to swerve CAS and go to court....apparently going to challenge the legality of FFP.

But I thought you couldn’t take football courses to court?

Is that not right?

Admitting they are guilty so.

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I won't cry a single tear if they are banned because of where their money originates but to be honest, FFP might be the most Tory thing in the sport. All the currently rich clubs are trying to make sure it's almost impossible for any team to ever break in to the clique at the top end of the sport. I have no sympathy whatsoever for Man City because their owners are absolute c*nts, but FFP needs abolishing.

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I know this is may be an unpopular opinion but I wouldn't touch any of City's players with a fucking barge pole.  They're all a bunch of dirty oil money grabbers and I don't want my club tainted by their ilk, even if it means letting someone like De Bruyne. swan off to PSG, Barca or Juve.

And what of Pep?  Everyone here reckons he'll slope off to one of those other clubs, but if City's punishment is even partially upheld he'll be damaged goods himself. Surely people will start nosing into his own financial affairs and he'll be dogged by scandal for years.  Would clubs like those above, with their own misdealings now plain and obvious, want to risk bringing in someone like him?

His entire career could go up in smoke here.
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David Conn is always the model of integrity when it comes to City.  They must absolutely hate him.

Too right, one of the few journalists who gives his profession true integrity.
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5Live is a joy at the moment. Some City journo on a rant. Glorious listening.

Blaming the cartel. Championing as an example for all little clubs who aren’t allowed a wealthy owner.

He just said FFP didn't help prevent Leeds United and Portsmouth going out of business - before FFP existed. Logical

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Has someone checked on Statman Gaz?
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Some talk that city are going to swerve CAS and go to court....apparently going to challenge the legality of FFP.

But I thought you couldn’t take football courses to court?

Is that not right?
i think the eu said it was fine a while ago when it was created

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David Conn is always the model of integrity when it comes to City.  They must absolutely hate him.

By far the best sports journalist of his generation.

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Ex Man City player on 5live - not a problem, just dominate domestically for two years and then go for CL again.

Well, that's alright then.

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I know this is may be an unpopular opinion but I wouldn't touch any of City's players with a fucking barge pole.  They're all a bunch of dirty oil money grabbers and I don't want my club tainted by their ilk, even if it means letting someone like De Bruyne. swan off to PSG, Barca or Juve.

And what of Pep?  Everyone here reckons he'll slope off to one of those other clubs, but if City's punishment is even partially upheld he'll be damaged goods himself. Surely people will start nosing into his own financial affairs and he'll be dogged by scandal for years.  Would clubs like those above, with their own misdealings now plain and obvious, want to risk bringing in someone like him?

His entire career could go up in smoke here.

Financial scandals have absolutely scuppered the careers of Messi and Ronaldo.

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5Live is a joy at the moment. Some City journo on a rant. Glorious listening.

Blaming the cartel. Championing as an example for all little clubs who aren’t allowed a wealthy owner.

That ex-player, missed his name ... 'City a massive, massive club etc ... do the two years ban and come back and win it three times in a row. That's what I'd do.'

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Ex Man City player on 5live - not a problem, just dominate domestically for two years and then go for CL again.

Well, that's alright then.

He's not worried. He's sure the club knew this was coming and has planned for it..

Okkkkaaaay then

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i think the eu said it was fine a while ago when it was created
I was under the impression that one of the fundamental rules of taking part in UEFA/FIFA events was that you had to agree not to go tho the courts for sporting issues.


CAS therefore became the last resort.

Does anyone know if this is correct?
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It's only David Conn whose talking any sense tonight.

He’s great. I can see how City fans don’t like him. I could never be that fair minded if it was my club being dragged through all this. I’d definitely be in the Stu Brennan school of journos. :D (it wasn’t him ranting by the way).

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I won't cry a single tear if they are banned because of where their money originates but to be honest, FFP might be the most Tory thing in the sport. All the currently rich clubs are trying to make sure it's almost impossible for any team to ever break in to the clique at the top end of the sport. I have no sympathy whatsoever for Man City because their owners are absolute c*nts, but FFP needs abolishing.

Agreed, it's a stupid rule. A rule they signed up for and broke of course. But all they're guilty of is financial irregularity. The moralizing talk about them winning trophies that they don't deserve, so to speak, is over the top.
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The FFP thing is a bit sketchy. Not something that's likely to hold up well in a court against Man City's lawyers. But it's enough to make this season a very difficult one for Man City and may well finish Pep off.


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I won't cry a single tear if they are banned because of where their money originates but to be honest, FFP might be the most Tory thing in the sport. All the currently rich clubs are trying to make sure it's almost impossible for any team to ever break in to the clique at the top end of the sport. I have no sympathy whatsoever for Man City because their owners are absolute c*nts, but FFP needs abolishing.

Except it isn't Tory.

We are the perfect example of a well run Club benefiting from FFP. Leicester are another Club who has benefited from FFP.

Run the Club properly, recruit properly, stop throwing stupid money at players and you will prosper. How can people possibly complain about FFP creating a closed shop when the likes of Leicester, Sheffield United and Wolves are usurping the likes of United and Chelsea.
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