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« Reply #41760 on: November 22, 2020, 01:24:07 AM »
Well at least we'll get the plan prior to the end of this lockdown.

Looks as expected really, I imagine there wont be much difference between current restrictions and the new tier 3. More shops open maybe, can't see pubs opening at all.

Not a fan of the Covid passports. If the idea behind them is to release the older generation a little as they get vaccinated then just do that. Allow them form social bubbles with family households after they've been vaccinated. It's the main thing people want at this point - to see their older family members, visit their homes again, let them interact with their grandchildren.

It's an ambitious timetable with the vaccinations to get back to normal by easter but I'm actually very confident we will be.
according to the BBC article, pubs will be allowed to open and will have to stop serving at 10pm but punters will have an hour to finish their drink or food


"It is not yet clear exactly how restrictions could change - but it is understood the 10pm curfew on pubs and restaurants will be altered.


Mr Johnson is expected to say that, while last orders must be called at 10pm, people will get an extra hour to finish their food and drinks."

Doesn't sound tighter to me

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« Reply #41761 on: November 22, 2020, 01:28:04 AM »
I absolutely guarantee he’ll mention the Christmas break in fighting during the war during the presser.


Another lockdown come mid to end of Feb then I’d guess. People will see being able to mix at Xmas as permission to do so at New Year, then weekends with their mates in Jan, etc.
he definitely will do that, yep it's sending out totally the wrong message, he never learns from his previous fuck ups
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« Reply #41762 on: November 22, 2020, 01:32:42 AM »
according to the BBC article, pubs will be allowed to open and will have to stop serving at 10pm but punters will have an hour to finish their drink or food


"It is not yet clear exactly how restrictions could change - but it is understood the 10pm curfew on pubs and restaurants will be altered.


Mr Johnson is expected to say that, while last orders must be called at 10pm, people will get an extra hour to finish their food and drinks."

Doesn't sound tighter to me

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55029401

Tier 1 that would be I imagine. If its tier 3 then the last few weeks have been utterly pointless. If pubs are open in tier 2 then so be it, all regions will end up in tier 3 eventually if that's the case. 

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« Reply #41763 on: November 22, 2020, 01:51:33 AM »
Tier 3 will essentially be current restrictions with non-essential retail open similar to before, the strengthening will be in Tier 2 that'd be my guess.  Id also hazard a guess that perhaps 50% of the country will be in Tier 3.

Christmas is interesting, the articles I read suggest between 3 and 6 days ending on the 28th.  He's on about bringing the UK together, well New Year is probably celebrated more than Christmas in Scotland so can't see that going well.

At least there's a plan, albeit one that seems too ambitious to me. Life back to normal by Easter ?

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« Reply #41764 on: November 22, 2020, 02:10:19 AM »
What do you get from not wearing a mask?

You are so predictable it's actually quite funny .

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« Reply #41765 on: November 22, 2020, 02:33:33 AM »
You are so predictable it's actually quite funny .

As funny as you not wearing a mask?

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« Reply #41766 on: November 22, 2020, 06:13:02 AM »
Conveniently leaked to judge public opinion again I see.

The cynic may see it as an effort to divert the content of this mornings news programmes, given the Patel bullying shitshow by the PM. 

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« Reply #41767 on: November 22, 2020, 06:38:53 AM »
The restrictions in each tier will be different to last time, sounds like more confusion and bad communication on the cards.

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« Reply #41768 on: November 22, 2020, 07:01:50 AM »
The restrictions in each tier will be different to last time, sounds like more confusion and bad communication on the cards.
I think Tier 3 will stay the same, it clearly works. According to SAGE Tier 2 is essentially a holding pattern and Tier 1 doesn't really do anything.  I'm guessing the bottom two Tiers will be the ones 'strengthened'.  I also expect a lot more of the country to initially be in tier 3, especially in the South.


On the face of it, it actually has the semblance of a plan, no doubt it will turn into some convoluted Circus though.

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« Reply #41769 on: November 22, 2020, 07:55:43 AM »
I think Tier 3 will stay the same, it clearly works. According to SAGE Tier 2 is essentially a holding pattern and Tier 1 doesn't really do anything.  I'm guessing the bottom two Tiers will be the ones 'strengthened'.  I also expect a lot more of the country to initially be in tier 3, especially in the South.


On the face of it, it actually has the semblance of a plan, no doubt it will turn into some convoluted Circus though.


And all on the assumption that regional tiers work.  They never prevented invoking the current more stringent national measures. 

A sensible approach may have been to wait at least until next weekend where any relaxation of current measures after 2nd Dec would be better informed, never mind Christmas.  But then timing wouldn’t have worked re government attempting to move the news agenda on from the Patel episode.

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« Reply #41770 on: November 22, 2020, 08:15:22 AM »
Conveniently leaked to judge public opinion again I see.

Boris Saves Christmas.

The only headline he's interested in.
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« Reply #41771 on: November 22, 2020, 08:17:39 AM »
I think Tier 3 will stay the same, it clearly works. According to SAGE Tier 2 is essentially a holding pattern and Tier 1 doesn't really do anything.  I'm guessing the bottom two Tiers will be the ones 'strengthened'.  I also expect a lot more of the country to initially be in tier 3, especially in the South.


On the face of it, it actually has the semblance of a plan, no doubt it will turn into some convoluted Circus though.

Cases exploded in September when the schools, colleges and universities all opened up.

Tier 3 won't stop that happening again in January. Especially not after the Christmas to new years eve jolly ups.

They even know that which is why things will be tighten up again next term after the January wave starts.
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« Reply #41772 on: November 22, 2020, 08:31:27 AM »
What do you get from not wearing a mask?

I know this I know this! COVID-19!!

Genuinely don’t know why the guy is still allowed to post on here. He’s a danger.

Well that wasn't too bad as only a bookies stopped me once inside. I went a few shops in town and a ' local ' supermarket and all was sound without the loss of indentity that some people call a mask .

I will never wear one and youse can shove that incoming vaccine up your arse.

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« Reply #41773 on: November 22, 2020, 08:48:59 AM »
I think that current tier 3 will be changed to tier 2, and tier 3 will be more similar to this national lockdown conditions. Maybe with gyms and restaurants closed, but if they keep the shops closed you'll just get people moving around too much doing their Xmas shopping.

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« Reply #41774 on: November 22, 2020, 08:49:57 AM »
From Sunday Times -



I quite like the idea of:


Plans are also being drawn up to give “Covid passports” to those who have received the vaccination. The documents will enable them to go to work and socialise more freely than those who refuse the jab

But I can see a lot of people kicking off about this.

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« Reply #41775 on: November 22, 2020, 09:14:10 AM »
I quite like the idea of:


Plans are also being drawn up to give “Covid passports” to those who have received the vaccination. The documents will enable them to go to work and socialise more freely than those who refuse the jab

But I can see a lot of people kicking off about this.

Good.

Let them fucking kick off and ignore blatant scientific evidence in favour of some bullshit YouTube conspiracy theory.

It’s up to anybody whether they want to take a vaccine but don’t go expecting the same liberties as the people that do.

It fucking astounds me that anyone can see the number of deaths, number of infections and then read direct scientific data supporting a vaccine which can effectively end all of that and still refuse it on the basis of some theory without a shred of evidence to support it.

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« Reply #41776 on: November 22, 2020, 09:14:25 AM »
Mask compliance in shops where I live in Ireland is 99%. Shops can definitely refuse you entry over here if you're not wearing one. There's literally signs on the door saying it. If you don't wear a mask fuck you.
Whereabouts? I'm near Swords these days and while shops have the sign, staff don't challenge anyone who doesn't wear a mask. I'd put compliance at perhaps 80%.

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« Reply #41777 on: November 22, 2020, 09:20:02 AM »
I know this I know this! COVID-19!!

Genuinely don’t know why the guy is still allowed to post on here. He’s a danger.


It's all just a bit sad that he's made putting shop workers and others at risk such a central part of of his personality - imagine the ego and pride required for that. Embarrassing really (and much much worse if he infects someone through his ignorance)

The selfishness and lack of compassion is astounding, but to actually celebrate it too?

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« Reply #41778 on: November 22, 2020, 10:25:31 AM »
What do you get from acting like this ?
What do you get from not wearing a mask?
You are so predictable it's actually quite funny .
Actually, as a retort, Craig's comment was quite funny. :D For a moment - since it was so understated - I thought it might have been an unintended pun. Nice one Craig. :)

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« Reply #41779 on: November 22, 2020, 10:35:24 AM »
The plans seem as expected - I think NYE can be put on hold for 1 year - although that's when gangs of young people are more likely to mix so there'll be issues if that's illegal.

I do think schools should go to remote learning or close from the 10th December instead giving families a chance to isolate before Christmas if the government are saying you can see family. Most schools finish on the 22nd so it would be a risk if families got together with elderly relatives and the kids had the virus from that last week of school.
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« Reply #41780 on: November 22, 2020, 10:35:58 AM »
I quite like the idea of:


Plans are also being drawn up to give “Covid passports” to those who have received the vaccination. The documents will enable them to go to work and socialise more freely than those who refuse the jab

But I can see a lot of people kicking off about this.

It depends how quickly they can roll them out as well, though.

It's no good saying 'back to normal by Easter' if you're number 25 million in the queue for a vaccine and can't go anywhere without your Covid passport.

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« Reply #41781 on: November 22, 2020, 10:42:28 AM »
The plans seem as expected - I think NYE can be put on hold for 1 year - although that's when gangs of young people are more likely to mix so there'll be issues if that's illegal.

There will be parties everywhere on NYE, whether they're allowed or not. The police won't be able to deal with them all and even if they do, it's too late once people have been mixing for hours in a confined space.

It'll be more the young ones mixing on NYE and then descending back on the towns and cities the next week for University. Jan-Feb is going to be worse than the last couple of months after all this. The government are already preparing similar restrictions until Easter as a result, all so Boris can get his saviour of Christmas headlines
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« Reply #41782 on: November 22, 2020, 11:30:33 AM »
It'll be great to not have to think of an excuse to not go out on NYE
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« Reply #41783 on: November 22, 2020, 11:35:43 AM »
It'll be great to not have to think of an excuse to not go out on NYE
One year off. That’s all we need.  You don’t need to get lashed, you don’t need to drink your self stupid.  Just until the summer. 
We’ve got light at the end of the tunnel.  We’ve got vaccines, they are phenomenally effective vaccine too.

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« Reply #41784 on: November 22, 2020, 11:39:01 AM »
I quite like the idea of:


Plans are also being drawn up to give “Covid passports” to those who have received the vaccination. The documents will enable them to go to work and socialise more freely than those who refuse the jab

But I can see a lot of people kicking off about this.
It’ll only work once a vaccine is available to everyone and not just vulnerable groups.God knows when it’ll be widely available with this shower of shite in government.

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« Reply #41785 on: November 22, 2020, 11:51:25 AM »
An anti- lockdown march taking place in Liverpool. What is wrong with these people? 15 people arrested.  :-\

They should take them to a COVID ward to work for the day rather than to a police station.

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« Reply #41786 on: November 22, 2020, 11:52:34 AM »
They should take them to a COVID ward to work for the day rather than to a police station.
They wouldn’t need any PPE either because it’s all a hoax apparently.

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« Reply #41787 on: November 22, 2020, 11:56:17 AM »
With the tiered system from December we could potentially be out of tier 3 in a couple of weeks. Or we could still be in it with the aid of the thick-as-mince cretins marching and gathering in town every week, protesting against a virus.
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« Reply #41788 on: November 22, 2020, 12:41:00 PM »
With the tiered system from December we could potentially be out of tier 3 in a couple of weeks. Or we could still be in it with the aid of the thick-as-mince cretins marching and gathering in town every week, protesting against a virus.

Sincerely, I am worried about you catastrophising everything. I hope you can take steps to look out for mental health.

Try not to focus on the people who aren't doing the right thing, and look for the positives (over 90% of people wear masks when in places requiring them, for example). Don't spend a moment worrying about perception of Liverpool either, there's nothing to gain from generalising something we don't know anything about (what millions of people are thinking).

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« Reply #41789 on: November 22, 2020, 01:14:19 PM »
As funny as you not wearing a mask?

And you are still at it .

As it ever crossed your mind there maybe a reason for the above ?
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« Reply #41790 on: November 22, 2020, 01:14:19 PM »
This has to be a cause for optimism for Liverpool not being in the highest tier of restrictions. The lockdown and mass testing is driving down that infection rate



https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpools-coronavirus-infection-rate-lowest-19324503

If the city can carry on the mass testing program when the army leaves (which they say they will do).

Problem is that if we're getting encouraged to get out and shop/eat out/drink/socialise again and we just hit the same cycle

People still need to wear those masks, keep social distance and stay home where possible
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« Reply #41791 on: November 22, 2020, 01:15:08 PM »
Sincerely, I am worried about you catastrophising everything. I hope you can take steps to look out for mental health.

Try not to focus on the people who aren't doing the right thing, and look for the positives (over 90% of people wear masks when in places requiring them, for example). Don't spend a moment worrying about perception of Liverpool either, there's nothing to gain from generalising something we don't know anything about (what millions of people are thinking).

To be fair mate it's the efforts and sacrifices that 90% of people are making here (born out by recent figures) that make things like yesterday the more infuriating.
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« Reply #41792 on: November 22, 2020, 01:15:18 PM »
According to the BBC the government is expected to allow an hours ‘drinking up’ time in pubs - so last orders 10pm and out the door by 11. I said they should do that at the point they brought the curfew in originally.

Also hopefully means that pubs etc will be reopening as people need their livelihoods back.

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« Reply #41793 on: November 22, 2020, 01:17:49 PM »
As it ever crossed your mind there maybe a reason for the above ?

From what you've posted, it's seemingly because you think the personality conveyed from your mouth being on show is more important than the health of people in your community?

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Re: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE, GYMS OPEN
« Reply #41794 on: November 22, 2020, 01:25:15 PM »
And you are still at it .

As it ever crossed your mind there maybe a reason for the above ?

Every comment you’ve ever made in here about not wearing masks, and you’ve made plenty, has revolved around a loss of identity and shit like that.

So if people assume you’ve not got a valid reason then you’ve really only got yourself to blame.

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Re: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE, GYMS OPEN
« Reply #41795 on: November 22, 2020, 01:25:20 PM »
And you are still at it .

As it ever crossed your mind there maybe a reason for the above ?

Unless the reason is medical then it really isn’t relevant.

Cold hard scientific fact tells you that wearing a mask reduces the chance of transmitting an infection responsible for millions of deaths globally, choosing not to do so for any reason other than medical necessity makes you selfish and part of the problem.

I hate wearing them, they look ridiculous, it constantly itches and it feels restrictive but if by doing so I avoid transmitting COViD (or catching it) then it’s worthwhile.

How anyone can have an issue with that is beyond me.

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« Reply #41796 on: November 22, 2020, 01:27:03 PM »
Can't see wet pubs opening yet. Watched Sky this morning and I get the impression it will be a new Tier 3. I can only assume it will be 14 day review perhaps just before Xmas. Opening up the pubs before mad Friday will likely set us back and you can tell pent up demand will lead to a lot of people wanting to get leathered just before Xmas. Fingers crossed there is something in the first part of the vaccine programme in December

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« Reply #41797 on: November 22, 2020, 01:32:01 PM »
I can only go on my own experiences and I've never been challenged once at a supermarket .

Why the fuck aren't you wearing a mask?

edit - I see another poster above quoted one of your more dangerous posts

Well that wasn't too bad as only a bookies stopped me once inside. I went a few shops in town and a ' local ' supermarket and all was sound without the loss of indentity that some people call a mask .

I will never wear one and youse can shove that incoming vaccine up your arse.

Ta Ra.

So you're a selfish anti-vax moron? Do you think the virus is a hoax or are you just so cavalier with your safety that you think your "rights" to nip to the Londis and get some big fat skins for whatever shit skunk you're smoking entitles you to put the rest of us in danger too?
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« Reply #41798 on: November 22, 2020, 01:32:25 PM »
Can't see wet pubs opening yet. Watched Sky this morning and I get the impression it will be a new Tier 3. I can only assume it will be 14 day review perhaps just before Xmas. Opening up the pubs before mad Friday will likely set us back and you can tell pent up demand will lead to a lot of people wanting to get leathered just before Xmas. Fingers crossed there is something in the first part of the vaccine programme in December

If they don’t open the pubs,  Gyms, leisure centres, night clubs, restaurants etc etc the government need to support them.     The way it is going not many will survive.   Everyone will then be moaning in the summer that they have nowhere to go!

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« Reply #41799 on: November 22, 2020, 01:35:29 PM »
he definitely will do that, yep it's sending out totally the wrong message, he never learns from his previous fuck ups

Sounds similar to the idiotic 'moral contract' proposed by the Premier of Quebec: you can visit people Dec 24-27, but you have to try to avoid people a week prior and a week after ::) You can't negotiate with this.

 It amazes me the amount of people who won't give up their Christmas or New Year's plans for one year. My narcissistic, tradition-bound father-in-law typically ends up making Christmas into a four-day epic gala. There has been no talk of him cancelling or modifying their traditional schedule, despite the fact his 84 year old mother has diabetes and lung problems, and almost all of his children and their partners have an underlying condition, some of which would be potentially deadly if someone contracted COVID.

Problematically hardly any of my wife's family lives anywhere near their parents. The one who lives closest has a partner living in an area four hours away that is currently locked down for a month. His excuse is that he has to drive down there for work anyway because work is exempt from restrictions. My brother in law will have to take a five hour flight to come home and is then planning to take another flight a few days later to meet his partner's parents. Ironically, he lives in an area where all non-essential travel is prohibited at the moment.

Mrs RTG hoped her brother would see the sense in cancelling, but his argument is I'm not going to do anything stupid and that even he'd be resentful for a while if one of his family members didn't show up for Christmas :butt 

Mrs RTG has already been treated like a leper this year, because she skipped Easter after taking the sensible decision to not attend after being potentially exposed to COVID. I have an underlying condition that has potentially deadly consequences, so there was more reason to not attend an indoor event.

Her parents have treated her like she is on the verge of a mental breakdown ever since. Given she is a people-pleaser, she'll be at least guilt-tripped into attending Christmas. I can guarantee the 'solution' that will be presented to her is to just wear a mask indoors, even though there will be the expectation to be there for multiple days, especially since they know her workplace shuts over Christmas