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She’s not a unless idiot, she’s a very useful idiot. She allows the Tories to play the whole ‘I’m not racist, I know lots of black/brown people’ card with their entire immigration policy. But as much as she hates immigrants, she also hates British people, you know the most idle people in the world so no idea who she actually thinks is worthy of living in the same country as her?
very useful idiot who will always be fine so fuck everyone else

In fairness , they aren't really racist. More xenophobic.
No xenophobic more of a ‘we were good immigrants but most aren’t’ type

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Oh no no..

Ferguson has had the virus so is highly unlikely  to spread the virus.

Cummings was active with symptoms and took the disease to the other end of the country.

Totally different.

error of judgement in terms of breaking rules /interpreting them to fit their own needs.

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Today's government briefing and associated questions, as well as PMQ's next week, should make for interesting viewing on the back of this.

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Today's government briefing and associated questions, as well as PMQ's next week, should make for interesting viewing on the back of this.

No PMQs next week...they’re on holiday
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In fairness , they aren't really racist. More xenophobic.
Seriously?
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The 'insanely high number' refereed to if nothing was done to curtail infection rates. Clearly, despite inadequacies, this is not what occurred.

That article is written by roboticist, Ram Sagar. He concludes:His quote of Nassim Nicholas Taleb et al for the conclusion is very odd since it does not support Sagar's argument that the Imperial model used poorly written code. Talib et al only criticised inadequacies of the Imperial report - subjects they failed to cover - such as the effects of contact tracing upon infection rates. As it turns out, the fact that contact tracing did not form part of the analysis by Ferguson et al would seem largely irrelevant since contact tracing was hardly employed by the UK. (Perhaps Fergsuon understood this would be the case?)

Anyway, the number of fatalities in the UK are way higher than the best case scenario outlined within the report. And, of course they are way lower than the worst case because 1) the UK employed infection controls; and 2) it is still relatively early days in the pandemic - fatalities will continue to rise, and significantly so, for some time yet.

I am unsure of what we are supposed to get worked up about from that critique by Ram Sagar.

As you point out the ‘worse case scenario’ figure in the Imperial report was c.500k fatalities.  At the other end of the scale with control measures invoked fatalities were estimated at 20-25k. 

Of course what the report couldn’t factor was the following;

Failing to invoke current control measures for nearly 2 weeks after report publication.
Allowing events to take place in that interim period with large crowds in attendance
Lack of PPE for staff in healthcare settings
Starting then stopping test and trace early days

Probably more but the above alone will likely have contributed to the difference between the estimated 25k fatalities and the current actual number.

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aged well this

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aged well this

And it will be forgotten already because the smokescreen is already up. Peston and Kuenssberg have already got the spin moving. Apparently the party have Whattsapped and asked all their MPs to tweet support for Dom who “cares for his wife and child” but doesn’t give fuck about the parents.
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Oh no no..

Ferguson has had the virus so is highly unlikely  to spread the virus.

Cummings was active with symptoms and took the disease to the other end of the country.

Totally different.

He's an utter fucking c*nt. He will have stopped at at least one services for a piss somewhere along the way and ran the risk of infecting the truck drivers there. Seeing as how Tesco's RDC for the WHOLE of the north is based in Goole and the chances of being in as services used by drivers from there is over 90%, then that c*nt has risked infecting a driver from that depot who can then have infected other drivers once back at Goole and then spread it to stores right across the North.

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He's an utter fucking c*nt. He will have stopped at at least one services for a piss somewhere along the way and ran the risk of infecting the truck drivers there. Seeing as how Tesco's RDC for the WHOLE of the north is based in Goole and the chances of being in as services used by drivers from there is over 90%, then that c*nt has risked infecting a driver from that depot who can then have infected other drivers once back at Goole and then spread it to stores right across the North.
what are the odds someone with access to service station cctv is going through the footage from then to see if they can spot Cummings on it

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Grant Shapps is doing the briefing today.

https://twitter.com/reetacbbc/status/1264198559278206976
The shortest of short straws...

Probably thought he was getting a cushy bank holiday weekend number
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Grant Shapps is doing the briefing today.

https://twitter.com/reetacbbc/status/1264198559278206976
can give us the fastest routes from London to Durham?

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what are the odds someone with access to service station cctv is going through the footage from then to see if they can spot Cummings on it

Won't be hard to spot if they do, every services I have stopped at since lockdown has been a few trucks in the HGV park and the staff who work there, with the odd car driver.

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Grant Shapps is doing the briefing today.

https://twitter.com/reetacbbc/status/1264198559278206976
Hah, I knew it would be the short arse. Johnson, Hancock etc. hiding in the shadows.

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Several COVID-19 protests and in Germany, mostly in Berlin. Naturally, the AFD are linked to a load of them, as are anti-vaxxers. Have to laugh that the one in Munich didn't go ahead on account of the weather :lmao
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Grant Shapps is doing the briefing today.

https://twitter.com/reetacbbc/status/1264198559278206976

Curious to see if he’s made any attempt to sort his barnet yet.  In the absence of anything of interest arising, which is usually the case in these briefings, journalist questions should be interesting today.  Assuming ‘zoom’ doesn’t pack in again.

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Talking absolute crap about railways that has nothing to do with Covid-19.

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Spending our way out of it then? Got to get the economy going to pay for this at the end of the day.
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I think the government's plan in their press briefing is to bore everyone to switch off before anyone can ask them about Cummings.
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I think the government's plan in their press briefing is to bore everyone to switch off before anyone can ask them about Cummings.
Was thinking the exact same thing.

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He's an utter fucking c*nt. He will have stopped at at least one services for a piss somewhere along the way and ran the risk of infecting the truck drivers there. Seeing as how Tesco's RDC for the WHOLE of the north is based in Goole and the chances of being in as services used by drivers from there is over 90%, then that c*nt has risked infecting a driver from that depot who can then have infected other drivers once back at Goole and then spread it to stores right across the North.

As long as they washed their hands after using the toilet - and didn't put their hands in their eyes ears mouth nose, after entering the toilet - then they should be sound.

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Safeguarding clause apparently meant what Cummings did was fine. We all obviously didn't read the fine print.
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Safeguarding clause apparently meant what Cummings did was fine. We all obviously didn't read the fine print.

Erm, she didn't say anything like that. Massively unfair.

In fact she said nothing at all of Cummings, and then made sure the minister answered the question after her.

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Erm, she didn't say anything like that. Massively unfair.

In fact she said nothing at all of Cummings, and then made sure the minister answered the question after her.

They're saying there's circumstance which would allow someone to effectively bend the rules. People didn't go to funerals as they were following laws to the letter. You can't defend this shite.
"IT'S ENDED.....THE EUROPEAN CUP IS RETURNING TO ENGLAND AND TO ANFIELD."

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Harries is such a stooge.

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They're saying there's circumstance which would allow someone to effectively bend the rules. People didn't go to funerals as they were following laws to the letter. You can't defend this shite.

But to attack it/her, you made something up 🤷‍♀️

"Bending the rules" is a bit of a weird way to phrase her telling vulnerable people on their own to make sure they seek help and don't just stay isolated to their own serious cost.

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Jenny Harries is shite.

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Travelling hundreds of miles across the country is not "taking yourself out of society"

Oh, and as I type, here comes the "common sense" cop-out.

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Travelling hundreds of miles across the country is not "taking yourself out of society"

Oh, and as I type, here comes the "common sense" cop-out.

So no-one else in London could have delivered them food?   ::)

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Harries is such a stooge.

Sorry but you're chatting utter shite.

She is sticking to her job, and providing clinical answers and advice relevant to the general public and leaving the dumb politics to the dumb politician .

If you don't like her not suddenly shouting 'yo Cummings is a c*nt, am I right?' fine. Pretty unrealistic of you to expect, but whatever.

She's in about as thankless a job going right now having to attend this meeting (through no fault of her own)
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This is such bullshit. 'Common sense', 'it's up to the individual decision' etc being mentioned for first time since the lockdown.
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It's staggering that not one of them would even hint at an apology and admit it would anger lots of people in the country. That's worse in some ways.
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Sorry but you're chatting utter shite.

She is sticking to her job, and providing clinical answers and advice relevant to the general public and leaving the dumb politics to the dumb politician .

If you don't like her not suddenly shouting 'yo Cummings is a c*nt, am I right?' fine. Pretty unrealistic of you to expect, but whatever.

She's in about as thankless a job going right now having to attend this meeting (through no fault of her own)

Yep, she is an international exemplar when it comes to all this.

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Higher risk in the car. Does that mean that from a 'safeguarding' perspective that he increased the risk of passing it to his child and therefore reduced the safeguard?

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This is unbelievable stuff. We’ve fully transitioned into a Banana republic.

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Higher risk in the car. Does that mean that from a 'safeguarding' perspective that he increased the risk of passing it to his child and therefore reduced the safeguard?

Surely thats sustained contact in a confined space? That increases the risk.

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It's ridiculous that Boris is nowhere to be fucking seen. If he's not up to the job of PM then stand down.
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As long as they washed their hands after using the toilet - and didn't put their hands in their eyes ears mouth nose, after entering the toilet - then they should be sound.

Lives on surfaces for 72 hours, he could have coughed on handrails, door handles whatever. Touching and rubbing your face is something we all do unconciously, you could have picked it up from the cubicle door on the way in and rubbed your hands over your face before washing them. Even after going the loo and thoroughly washing your hands you could pop into WH Smith, M&S or Waitrose to grab something to eat - no other places were open, Greggs, BK, Costa all closed, so we all had 2 at most places to go for food and touch something he has touched, picking it up then. Even if you had handwash in your cab, you still have to touch the keys, door handle, handrails getting into the cab. The cabs are not cleaned between drivers, so the virus can be getting passed all over the place from one initial source.

The amount of contact a driver, especially store delivery drivers go through each day, when you think about it, can spread something so easily. One Saturday I did 6 stores across Liverpool alone, two weeks ago I was in Edinburgh on the Saturday, Reading and Rugby on the Sunday. That is why, when I thought I may have had Covid, I didn't work for over 2 weeks.
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The “what would I do” argument is totally invalid.

Your parent is in the hospital, dying. What would you do?