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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36800 on: June 23, 2022, 09:59:55 am »
Didn't depay flop there too? Seems to have come on leaps and bounds since. 

Memphis joined English side Manchester United in June 2015 for a reported fee of £25 million. After a disappointing spell there, he joined French club Lyon in January 2017. After four seasons there, he joined Barcelona in 2021 on a free transfer.

Now playing for Barcelona........ Players just turn to shit when they go there
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36801 on: June 23, 2022, 10:03:53 am »
Didn't depay flop there too? Seems to have come on leaps and bounds since. 

Memphis joined English side Manchester United in June 2015 for a reported fee of £25 million. After a disappointing spell there, he joined French club Lyon in January 2017. After four seasons there, he joined Barcelona in 2021 on a free transfer.

Now playing for Barcelona........ Players just turn to shit when they go there
And that's why it's ironic when they say they regret missing out on some players/managers.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36802 on: June 23, 2022, 12:06:39 pm »
Didn't depay flop there too? Seems to have come on leaps and bounds since. 

Memphis joined English side Manchester United in June 2015 for a reported fee of £25 million. After a disappointing spell there, he joined French club Lyon in January 2017. After four seasons there, he joined Barcelona in 2021 on a free transfer.

Now playing for Barcelona........ Players just turn to shit when they go there

Name the last player to leave them with their reputation enhanced rather than diminished / utterly destroyed ? Do we have to go back to the younger version of the preening prima donna who is currently leading the line for them ? I can’t think of any since him.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36803 on: June 23, 2022, 01:38:20 pm »
Name the last player to leave them with their reputation enhanced rather than diminished / utterly destroyed ? Do we have to go back to the younger version of the preening prima donna who is currently leading the line for them ? I can’t think of any since him.

With a big enough club, you wouldn't expect many to be leaving though, perhaps a better question would be which are the last players to actually improve while at that club let alone by the time they left it?

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36805 on: June 23, 2022, 03:09:47 pm »
Name the last player to leave them with their reputation enhanced rather than diminished / utterly destroyed ? Do we have to go back to the younger version of the preening prima donna who is currently leading the line for them ? I can’t think of any since him.

It probably was he who fannies about and dives around yes
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36806 on: June 23, 2022, 04:26:28 pm »
With a big enough club, you wouldn't expect many to be leaving though, perhaps a better question would be which are the last players to actually improve while at that club let alone by the time they left it?

Exact same answer I would think. May as well throw in managers as well. Everything turns to shit over there.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36807 on: June 23, 2022, 05:23:10 pm »
Exact same answer I would think. May as well throw in managers as well. Everything turns to shit over there.

Yeah, they've not had a player improve at their place since he who fannies about and dives around. Shrek was always going to get to the level he did while there, Martial has gone backwards, De Gea hasn't gotten better, Rashford was never that good anyway.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36808 on: June 23, 2022, 06:41:35 pm »
Yeah, they've not had a player improve at their place since he who fannies about and dives around. Shrek was always going to get to the level he did while there, Martial has gone backwards, De Gea hasn't gotten better, Rashford was never that good anyway.
They do buy, and produce a top quality collection of shithouses though.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36809 on: June 23, 2022, 06:44:14 pm »
They're after Michael Edwards along with Chelsea.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36810 on: June 23, 2022, 06:45:38 pm »
They're after Michael Edwards along with Chelsea.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36811 on: June 23, 2022, 07:00:09 pm »
Name the last player to leave them with their reputation enhanced rather than diminished / utterly destroyed ? Do we have to go back to the younger version of the preening prima donna who is currently leading the line for them ? I can’t think of any since him.

That Beanz lad went to West Ham and did reasonably well, unfortunately it was only a loan and so he is back amongst it again.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36812 on: June 23, 2022, 07:19:57 pm »
I fear you are all wrong about Manchester City.  The world has billions of potential football consumers, who are going to lap up whatever the latest shiny superteam offers.
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Yet after a decade since Man City have won their first PL title under Abu Dhabi, I am yet to see a single Man City shirt in the entire South-East Europe ...

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36813 on: June 23, 2022, 07:40:52 pm »
That Beanz lad went to West Ham and did reasonably well, unfortunately it was only a loan and so he is back amongst it again.

Even he doesn’t count. He temporarily enhanced his reputation by leaving Man U, not by being at Man U.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36814 on: June 23, 2022, 07:53:38 pm »
Even he doesn’t count. He temporarily enhanced his reputation by leaving Man U, not by being at Man U.

True, True. I mis read that.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36815 on: June 23, 2022, 09:04:48 pm »
Yet after a decade since Man City have won their first PL title under Abu Dhabi, I am yet to see a single Man City shirt in the entire South-East Europe ...

Lies. The most commercially successful club in the entire world must have shirts everywhere.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36816 on: June 23, 2022, 09:19:06 pm »
Name the last player to leave them with their reputation enhanced rather than diminished / utterly destroyed ? Do we have to go back to the younger version of the preening prima donna who is currently leading the line for them ? I can’t think of any since him.

I think it's more case of who have they bought who had tremendous potential to become a great footballer and achieved that status while being at that club. These were already very good footballers hence they purchased them in the first place. However they did not kick on and become even better by moving to a bigger 'better' club. Which is what should have happened. The players that left rebuilt their careers which just goes to show how good they were that could leave them and still manage to pick up where they were before they went there. Even alexi went to inter and and found better form.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36817 on: June 23, 2022, 09:43:09 pm »
Lies. The most commercially successful club in the entire world must have shirts everywhere.

There was this massive manufacturing defect that means when you look at the shirt, your eyes cannot recognise it as a city shirt and it looks like something completely different
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36818 on: June 23, 2022, 10:57:55 pm »
There was this massive manufacturing defect that means when you look at the shirt, your eyes cannot recognise it as a city shirt and it looks like something completely different
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36819 on: June 23, 2022, 10:59:41 pm »
They're after Michael Edwards along with Chelsea.

But then I read that they are taking on tom Keane, brother of Michael, a fairly junior lawyer cum intermediary.  Either extremely inspired or misguided.  Vote!

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36820 on: Yesterday at 01:40:56 am »
These are absolutely gash.

Get excited because their new fella who runs the club is in the pub chatting shite to a load of weirdo bellends and says they've spent £1BN badly - no shit sherlock, absolutely fantastic insight. Not signed a player yet as far as I know. Honestly Ferguson leaving them was one of the best days of my life because you couldn't argue when they ruined my childhood ;D . All they've got when they come to Anfield now is deep in the gutter songs about tragedy at 3 nil down.

I'd feel bad about the whole Glazer thing if they had shown a modicum of support for us through Hicks and Gillett, but they didn't, so fuck them. Hope they finish 6th again.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36821 on: Yesterday at 03:02:49 am »
Lies. The most commercially successful club in the entire world must have shirts everywhere.

Some poster in the Chelsea thread will tell you it's because they're all Chelsea shirts.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36822 on: Yesterday at 07:39:34 am »
Funny thinking back to when they got ragnick in and I think they had a half decent performance (by their standards!) and they properly thought they were on to something  ;D

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36823 on: Yesterday at 08:30:57 am »
- Eriksen choosing between United and Brentford
- Getting quoted super high fees (wonder why..) for De Jong and Antony
- Ronaldo moaning about the lack of transfers (have they signed anyone yet?)

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« Reply #36824 on: Yesterday at 08:47:19 am »
Interesting stuff in the Athletic about Utd’s transfer strategy this summer - they had a long list put together by Rangnick’s team that they’ve scrapped upon Ten Hag’s appointment.

De Jong, the main target for this summer, had at no stage been a player considered by the hierarchy prior to Ten Hag’s appointment, so they’d done zero scouting of him which is partially what’s delayed movement on a deal. Further to this, De Jong - like all Ajax players - revered Barcelona growing up and will reportedly cling on to his position there even if they want him out, as he rates himself as good enough to eventually prove his superior quality.

Transfers are going to be later in the window for the main business Utd want to do, as their main targets, like De Jong, may principally be players reticent to step away from CL clubs in order to join and Utd need them to feel the discomfort of not being wanted by their current sides.

This to me says that they will probably sign a player or two from Ajax then do their usual trick of wasting time pursuing big name players who have no intention of ever playing there.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36825 on: Yesterday at 08:53:01 am »
Interesting stuff in the Athletic about Utd’s transfer strategy this summer - they had a long list put together by Rangnick’s team that they’ve scrapped upon Ten Hag’s appointment.

De Jong, the main target for this summer, had at no stage been a player considered by the hierarchy prior to Ten Hag’s appointment, so they’d done zero scouting of him which is partially what’s delayed movement on a deal. Further to this, De Jong - like all Ajax players - revered Barcelona growing up and will reportedly cling on to his position there even if they want him out, as he rates himself as good enough to eventually prove his superior quality.

Transfers are going to be later in the window for the main business Utd want to do, as their main targets, like De Jong, may principally be players reticent to step away from CL clubs in order to join and Utd need them to feel the discomfort of not being wanted by their current sides.

This to me says that they will probably sign a player or two from Ajax then do their usual trick of wasting time pursuing big name players who have no intention of ever playing there.

Problem they have now is Ajax have already sold a fair few players this summer and raised some funds so they don't necessarily have to sell anymore so it will take massive offers to get players like Antony and Timber etc so Utd will have to massively overpay if they want them  ;D

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36826 on: Yesterday at 09:06:13 am »
Interesting stuff in the Athletic about Utd’s transfer strategy this summer - they had a long list put together by Rangnick’s team that they’ve scrapped upon Ten Hag’s appointment.

De Jong, the main target for this summer, had at no stage been a player considered by the hierarchy prior to Ten Hag’s appointment, so they’d done zero scouting of him which is partially what’s delayed movement on a deal. Further to this, De Jong - like all Ajax players - revered Barcelona growing up and will reportedly cling on to his position there even if they want him out, as he rates himself as good enough to eventually prove his superior quality.

Transfers are going to be later in the window for the main business Utd want to do, as their main targets, like De Jong, may principally be players reticent to step away from CL clubs in order to join and Utd need them to feel the discomfort of not being wanted by their current sides.

This to me says that they will probably sign a player or two from Ajax then do their usual trick of wasting time pursuing big name players who have no intention of ever playing there.

Yet for months they've been saying the players put forward as targets by Rangnick would fit the Ajax/Ten Hag playing style plus that their new recruitment strategy would be to buy for how the club want to play their football and not who the new manager wants 😂

Absolutely nothing has changed and they wonder why they're such a mess from top to bottom.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36827 on: Yesterday at 11:44:47 am »
Yet for months they've been saying the players put forward as targets by Rangnick would fit the Ajax/Ten Hag playing style plus that their new recruitment strategy would be to buy for how the club want to play their football and not who the new manager wants 😂

Absolutely nothing has changed and they wonder why they're such a mess from top to bottom.

And this is why you recruit for a set playing style rather than with specific managerial targets in mind

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36828 on: Yesterday at 11:46:07 am »
It's hilarious they had Rangnick at the club and had him manage and not do the stuff he's actually good at. Sums them up really.

Thought they'd be on the right track if they gave him a few years to build but now they've got a bloke who just wants to buy anyone who's got a connection with Ajax.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36829 on: Yesterday at 12:01:00 pm »
At any stage last season did anyone look at United and think 'what these guys are missing is a 30 year old attacking midfielder with a heart condition who can't tackle, doesn't press, and is unlikely to have the fitness to track back'?

Eriksson is obviously a quality player, but it doesn't exactly scream of any kind of long term coherent plan being in place.

But in brighter news for them, it looks like Ronaldo has decided that United aren't doing enough to convince him that they will be moving forward this season and so is threatening to leave.  Although most of their fans will probably see this as a disaster, Ten Hag will probably be very relieved that he won't have to base his entire way of playing around Ronaldo or risk dropping him and losing support from the fans as a result.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36830 on: Yesterday at 12:21:45 pm »
It's hilarious they had Rangnick at the club and had him manage and not do the stuff he's actually good at. Sums them up really.
It really does. Bring in someone with a less than-mediocre coaching CV but a stellar CV as a talent spotter, allow him to build a list of talent and then throw it in the bin once a new guy comes in, who's been brought in because the less than-mediocre coach produced less than-mediocre results.

And there's not great crossover between the styles of Ten Hag and Rangnick. Ten Hag's style relies on short, intense presses in the central spaces but patient build up where you slowly move the wide forwards inside to feed off of the forward dragging the opposition markers with him. Cross-light, short central interchanges. There's not much positional fluidity outside of the front 3 because for the defence to maintain it's shape and not be got at, the whole team needs to move collectively and keep structure in the midfield and defence. Sort of a child of the original total-football idea.

Rangnick's style is more high-pressing all over, with quicker vertical transitions into wide players to hit a focal point as the end result. There's some similarities with Ten Hag's vision but more importantly some crucial differences, so if you're buying system players, it's actually probably better they didn't go for some of Rangnick's picks, as they might not have fit, but to completely dump a big list of recommended players from a man with such a good hit rate in talent finding is unforgivable.

Ajax have already received - by their standards - a decent enough fee for Gravenberch and will likely be selling Haller to Dortmund for £40m or so shortly. That takes the pressure off to sell Antony and Ajax still have rich cash reserves from selling 3 players for a combined £200m within the last two seasons. Antony will cost probably 50% more than he should, maybe as much as double. Ten Hag has worked with him, likes him, knows his talent, but if you're paying £60m for a player who plays in the same positions as three other established first teamers in your squad, when there's been such clear neglect to other crucial areas, you do wonder what the overall strategy is. £150m sounds a lot but when you spend nearly 40% of it on one player for a position they are well-stocked in, you again think of the current disconnect going through the club.

If they had any sense they'd be paying that for Ndidi or a cheaper deal like Ascacibar or Rodriguez, but they don't seem to be linked to players they need and fit the new proposed system.

Eriksen is more evidence of a lack of joined-up thinking. A player who plays in the position of one of their best players (the overrated but clearly decent Bruno Fernandes), in a system that only uses one such player, who will be on huge wages and likely subject to diminishing returns over the next 18 months. They need a centre half, a right back, two central midfielders and a proper 9 if Ronaldo goes.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36831 on: Yesterday at 12:27:31 pm »
Fucking love Rangnick. He took their money , trashed the club and  players in public , showed journalists and pundits stupidity then left while giving Utd the middle finger.

I am still laughing at Melissa Redd tweet after his 1st half with them.


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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36832 on: Yesterday at 12:33:27 pm »
These are absolutely gash.

Get excited because their new fella who runs the club is in the pub chatting shite to a load of weirdo bellends and says they've spent £1BN badly - no shit sherlock, absolutely fantastic insight. Not signed a player yet as far as I know. Honestly Ferguson leaving them was one of the best days of my life because you couldn't argue when they ruined my childhood ;D . All they've got when they come to Anfield now is deep in the gutter songs about tragedy at 3 nil down.

I'd feel bad about the whole Glazer thing if they had shown a modicum of support for us through Hicks and Gillett, but they didn't, so fuck them. Hope they finish 6th again.
That's just 14 places above where I hope they finish  ;)
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36833 on: Yesterday at 12:50:50 pm »
That's just 14 places above where I hope they finish  ;)

18th with the hope of escape getting crushed right at the end would be far funnier than 20th, besides everton have reserved 20th already.  ;D

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36834 on: Yesterday at 01:52:06 pm »
Interesting stuff in the Athletic about Utd’s transfer strategy this summer - they had a long list put together by Rangnick’s team that they’ve scrapped upon Ten Hag’s appointment.

De Jong, the main target for this summer, had at no stage been a player considered by the hierarchy prior to Ten Hag’s appointment, so they’d done zero scouting of him which is partially what’s delayed movement on a deal. Further to this, De Jong - like all Ajax players - revered Barcelona growing up and will reportedly cling on to his position there even if they want him out, as he rates himself as good enough to eventually prove his superior quality.

Transfers are going to be later in the window for the main business Utd want to do, as their main targets, like De Jong, may principally be players reticent to step away from CL clubs in order to join and Utd need them to feel the discomfort of not being wanted by their current sides.

This to me says that they will probably sign a player or two from Ajax then do their usual trick of wasting time pursuing big name players who have no intention of ever playing there.

Surely not, they are the biggest club in the world?!?  ;)

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36835 on: Yesterday at 02:02:24 pm »
"Solskjaer's personal scout" :lmao

His job was finding Ole a parking spot, by all accounts he was very reliable

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36836 on: Yesterday at 02:12:09 pm »
Missus listens to Rock FM of a morning. The DJ Joel, Utd fans, has a 6yr old son. His footy top was getting too small so he asked the kid yesterday which new shirt he wanted. A Liverpool shirt with Salah on the back :lmao
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36837 on: Yesterday at 02:21:38 pm »
And this is why you recruit for a set playing style rather than with specific managerial targets in mind

Exactly mate but it seems they're going for all the managers targets then they'll sack him and buy a load more for the new guy.

It's what they've been doing since the tramp left so long may it continue 😁

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36838 on: Yesterday at 02:23:42 pm »
Fucking love Rangnick. He took their money , trashed the club and  players in public , showed journalists and pundits stupidity then left while giving Utd the middle finger.

I am still laughing at Melissa Redd tweet after his 1st half with them.


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A first half full of Ralf Rangnick's fingerprints on Manchester United. Aggressive pressing, clear attacking patterns and intent, off-ball structure with offensive protection, significant reduction of shots against in the box.

Only the start, but a progressive and promising one
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36839 on: Yesterday at 02:35:26 pm »
18th with the hope of escape getting crushed right at the end would be far funnier than 20th, besides everton have reserved 20th already.  ;D
I could quite happily live with that scenario  ;D
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