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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1440 on: December 12, 2019, 09:06:18 PM »
Amazon is not going to have the Premier League, League Cup, Fa Cup, Champions League ( Europa League as well), World Club Cup, European Championships, World Cup...etc.

No One broadcaster is going to buy the rights to every competition. That is a fantasy.

So you are back to multiple broadcasters who will show some matches on tv and then force you to buy their internet streaming package.

You'll end up with needing to buy 3-4-5 different streaming packages to see every Liverpool match. And they all won't be 7.99 per month.
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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1441 on: December 12, 2019, 09:19:26 PM »
Amazon is not going to have the Premier League, League Cup, Fa Cup, Champions League ( Europa League as well), World Club Cup, European Championships, World Cup...etc.

No One broadcaster is going to buy the rights to every competition. That is a fantasy.

So you are back to multiple broadcasters who will show some matches on tv and then force you to buy their internet streaming package.

You'll end up with needing to buy 3-4-5 different streaming packages to see every Liverpool match. And they all won't be 7.99 per month.

Nobody is calling for them to get everything.  Just Sky's packages of 2-3 PL games/week will do (One Saturday game and 2 Sunday games). Then perhaps they can take the CL off BT in a few years time and stream the lot.  That would be awesome.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1442 on: December 12, 2019, 10:12:08 PM »
I pay AUD $15/month (living in Australia) for all PL, CL, Europa, major international tournaments.

That works out to be about £7.75 a month.

So from that perspective, that £25 a month seems outrageous.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1443 on: December 12, 2019, 10:48:54 PM »
I pay AUD $15/month (living in Australia) for all PL, CL, Europa, major international tournaments.

That works out to be about £7.75 a month.

So from that perspective, that £25 a month seems outrageous.

Indeed. And that's why some of us are going to campaign against it.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1444 on: December 13, 2019, 12:05:56 AM »
Indeed. And that's why some of us are going to campaign against it.

Lmfao..

Match times vary from midnight to 4 in the morning in Australia more or less. I was there a few years ago and watch us v Arsenal at 2am.

This is not during "normal" hours in Britain.

So of course they charge less.
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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1445 on: December 13, 2019, 04:57:42 AM »
I just want football to be on one or, at most, 2 platforms where I can choose to watch any game I like. Like most of the rest of the world and its sports.
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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1446 on: December 13, 2019, 05:52:28 AM »
I got a deal where I pay Rs. 299 per annum (£3 per annum) for all PL games and Bundesliga.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1447 on: December 13, 2019, 06:37:33 AM »
Lmfao..

Match times vary from midnight to 4 in the morning in Australia more or less. I was there a few years ago and watch us v Arsenal at 2am.

This is not during "normal" hours in Britain.

So of course they charge less.

Yep as someone currently living in Australia our start times for games vary from 10:30pm for a Saturday lunch time kickoff to 6am for Champions Legaue or a Monday Night game. Plus the change in price is only a recent thing over here. Up until 2-3 seasons ago you wouldíve had to subscribe to fox and pay close to what a sky package is.

Plus to top it off way more competition over here as football would only be the 4-5th most popular sport for viewers.
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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1448 on: December 13, 2019, 02:45:12 PM »
Amazon is not going to have the Premier League, League Cup, Fa Cup, Champions League ( Europa League as well), World Club Cup, European Championships, World Cup...etc.

No One broadcaster is going to buy the rights to every competition. That is a fantasy.

So you are back to multiple broadcasters who will show some matches on tv and then force you to buy their internet streaming package.

You'll end up with needing to buy 3-4-5 different streaming packages to see every Liverpool match. And they all won't be 7.99 per month.

One approach we will probably see is the PL partnering with Amazon or similar to have their own streaming platform, they could still sell off the tv rights alongside them, although obviously they'd stop increasing in value every renewal like they do now.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1449 on: December 13, 2019, 03:07:10 PM »
Amazon didn't want the premier league package, didn't think it was worth it for what is 2 batches of fixtures in December, the package didn't even reach reserve price at first auction, so premier league ended up begging Amazon to buy the package, when it went up to re-auction, SKY couldn't bid as they already had the most amount of packages they could have won, one broadcaster cannot win all the premier league packages 

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1450 on: December 14, 2019, 12:11:54 AM »
£25/month for all their PL and CL games streamed online or on the mobile app.

A tad expensive I reckon.

What do you think? Would you subscribe?  Personally I hope Amazon bid for more rights.  Prime is excellent and only £7.99/month.

Itís only £15 a month via EE etc? I actually got it for cheaper as part of an 18 month deal for a few quid on Black Friday. Iím paying £42 for fibre, landline, Apple TV and BT sport (TV and mobile). £25 for streaming alone is ridiculous.
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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1451 on: December 14, 2019, 12:15:29 AM »
I've had one game where the streams where too bad to watch reliably, which was the other night against Salzburg, in about three years. Why so many people pay a ton to Sky, BT or anyone else is beyond me.

Agreed. The stream quality means it makes sense to pay for decent fibre and then stream all the games. I only got BT sport because it worked out the same price (or a couple of quid more) as without because of a Black Friday deal. Theyíre obviously banking on me not wanting to end the sub after 18 months and paying full whack. Iíll just end it after 18 months.
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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1452 on: December 14, 2019, 09:23:22 AM »
Agreed. The stream quality means it makes sense to pay for decent fibre and then stream all the games. I only got BT sport because it worked out the same price (or a couple of quid more) as without because of a Black Friday deal. Theyíre obviously banking on me not wanting to end the sub after 18 months and paying full whack. Iíll just end it after 18 months.

My missus upgraded our Virgin a few years ago to get kids stuff for our two - this included BT Sport. The kids never watch the telly she got for them, so i thought about binning it off, but I watch CL and Moto3/Moto2/MotoGP, she watches Europa League, we both watch PL games so just kept it.

We are on the 100meg broadband and the Amazon streams were almost perfect for us, think I had one 5 second buffer. Do find that some streams I watch on a weekend can be a pain, but eventually I can find a good one, I put her lot on the other Sunday and the stream was shit, but managed to find a decent one after a bit of searching about. To be able to just flick on Amazon, or preferably a new service such LFCTV Streaming, would be great.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1453 on: December 14, 2019, 09:37:39 AM »
My missus upgraded our Virgin a few years ago to get kids stuff for our two - this included BT Sport. The kids never watch the telly she got for them, so i thought about binning it off, but I watch CL and Moto3/Moto2/MotoGP, she watches Europa League, we both watch PL games so just kept it.

We are on the 100meg broadband and the Amazon streams were almost perfect for us, think I had one 5 second buffer. Do find that some streams I watch on a weekend can be a pain, but eventually I can find a good one, I put her lot on the other Sunday and the stream was shit, but managed to find a decent one after a bit of searching about. To be able to just flick on Amazon, or preferably a new service such LFCTV Streaming, would be great.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1454 on: December 14, 2019, 09:43:53 AM »
DAZN already positioned themselves as ''the Netflix of sport''.

DAZN Canada shows all Premier League and Champions League games for roughly a tenner a month.

In Germany, DAZN are active bidders for Bundesliga rights against Sky. They don't have all the games, but I can see a scenario where it could happen.

There's no reason why they couldn't expand to the UK very soon. The impatient can get a VPN and watch basically all (there's no League Cup) Liverpool games through DAZN Canada.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1455 on: December 14, 2019, 10:01:01 AM »
DAZN already positioned themselves as ''the Netflix of sport''.

DAZN Canada shows all Premier League and Champions League games for roughly a tenner a month.

In Germany, DAZN are active bidders for Bundesliga rights against Sky. They don't have all the games, but I can see a scenario where it could happen.

There's no reason why they couldn't expand to the UK very soon. The impatient can get a VPN and watch basically all (there's no League Cup) Liverpool games through DAZN Canada.

Pretty sure thereís probably a few reasons.
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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1456 on: December 14, 2019, 11:27:17 AM »
Pretty sure thereís probably a few reasons.
Fair; there must be a reason. But I mean, if they can oust Sky to games in other countries, why couldn't that also apply to the UK? The cost of screening the Bundesliga domestically costs in the same ballpark as the Premier League. They also screen some Serie A games domestically.

Anyway, this BT proposal is a rip-off in comparison to what DAZN are already doing in other countries. Big hopes DAZN or Amazon get all the games.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1457 on: December 14, 2019, 11:29:09 AM »
Haven't Sky and BT got exclusive UK rights so no one else can show them even if DAZN has rights themselves

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1458 on: December 14, 2019, 11:53:25 AM »
Fair; there must be a reason. But I mean, if they can oust Sky to games in other countries, why couldn't that also apply to the UK? The cost of screening the Bundesliga domestically costs in the same ballpark as the Premier League. They also screen some Serie A games domestically.

Being in the same ballpark is more than a little generous in describing the german deal, the PL sides get 50% more while the german deal covers 50% more games, the PL deal would jump significantly if they sold off more games per season too.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1459 on: December 15, 2019, 09:15:27 PM »
I just want football to be on one or, at most, 2 platforms where I can choose to watch any game I like. Like most of the rest of the world and its sports.
that was down to EU rules from memory meaning the PL had to split games into packages in order to spread the coverage.

It was an odd ruling, done with the best of intentions I think, but in reality splitting the coverage was only ever going to see costs go up as why would anyone just subscribe to one channel for a limited number of matches
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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1460 on: December 15, 2019, 09:21:08 PM »
Fair; there must be a reason. But I mean, if they can oust Sky to games in other countries, why couldn't that also apply to the UK? The cost of screening the Bundesliga domestically costs in the same ballpark as the Premier League. They also screen some Serie A games domestically.

Anyway, this BT proposal is a rip-off in comparison to what DAZN are already doing in other countries. Big hopes DAZN or Amazon get all the games.

Do Sky even attempt to buy rights abroad? Not sure DAZN have ousted them at all.

Also, the PL domestic deal is approx £1.66bn for 200 matches a season. The Bundesliga deal is just over £1bn for 306 games a season. Itís not even close to being in the same ballpark.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1461 on: December 15, 2019, 10:38:14 PM »
Do Sky even attempt to buy rights abroad? Not sure DAZN have ousted them at all.

Also, the PL domestic deal is approx £1.66bn for 200 matches a season. The Bundesliga deal is just over £1bn for 306 games a season. Itís not even close to being in the same ballpark.
well technically NBC that own the US rights and Sky are part of the same company Comcast so you could argue that "Sky" own the rights in the US
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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1462 on: December 16, 2019, 12:22:51 AM »
Do Sky even attempt to buy rights abroad? Not sure DAZN have ousted them at all.

Also, the PL domestic deal is approx £1.66bn for 200 matches a season. The Bundesliga deal is just over £1bn for 306 games a season. Itís not even close to being in the same ballpark.
Sky Deutschland (and Eurosport) have most Bundesliga games, but DAZN now have rights to some games.

I see the cost of the rights for the Bundesliga and the Premier League as ''in the same ballpark'' in the context of DAZN bidding for the rights. We're not talking 50x or 100x more expensive. I don't think the difference prices them out, especially considering the rate in which they are reportedly growing.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1463 on: December 16, 2019, 12:52:24 AM »
well technically NBC that own the US rights and Sky are part of the same company Comcast so you could argue that "Sky" own the rights in the US

Well if you want to be technical then Comcast only purchased Sky after the last round of rights were purchased.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1464 on: December 16, 2019, 12:53:54 AM »
Sky Deutschland (and Eurosport) have most Bundesliga games, but DAZN now have rights to some games.

Yeah they have the smaller package.


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I see the cost of the rights for the Bundesliga and the Premier League as ''in the same ballpark'' in the context of DAZN bidding for the rights. We're not talking 50x or 100x more expensive. I don't think the difference prices them out, especially considering the rate in which they are reportedly growing.

On a price per game basis the PL games are more than double the Bundesliga. Itís not even close to being comparable.

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Re: BT Sports attempt at the 'Netflix' of football
« Reply #1465 on: December 16, 2019, 09:21:35 AM »
Yeah they have the smaller package.
If you already know the intricacies of foreign TV deals, why are you asking me if Sky buy rights abroad?

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On a price per game basis the PL games are more than double the Bundesliga. Itís not even close to being comparable.
Yet you just compared them, and seem to be fixated on this comparison.

I don't see a ~100% increase as an insurmountable leap for DAZN. I see billion dollar boxing deals, reports of 950% year-on-year revenue growth, and huge financial backers including Len Blavatnik.

I think they could join the conversation. That's all. I am not saying the leagues are of exactly the same value; just that the difference appears not significant enough to price DAZN out of bidding for some games. This is what I mean by ''in the same ballpark'' in this context.

You're clearly well informed on the subject and it's okay if you disagree, just please don't fixate on a phrase I used to (admittedly poorly) explain my position, instead of offering genuine insight. You're only offering figures I'm already aware of, when I'd rather hear your opinion on whether DAZN could become the Netflix of football in the UK.