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« Reply #15440 on: February 23, 2021, 03:24:10 pm »
What’s happening with Salmon?


Seems a total mess?

Given Robinred's comments, I'm genuinely not sure if you are referring to Salmon or meant Salmond...?  ;D

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« Reply #15441 on: February 23, 2021, 03:25:00 pm »
Given Robinred's comments, I'm genuinely not sure if you are referring to Salmon or meant Salmond...?  ;D
Oh shit...  !
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« Reply #15442 on: February 23, 2021, 03:27:03 pm »
Image of the party?

Mmm. What’s Chuka up to these days.
He wears nice suits.
Political image...

I’ve never really had a problem with the central party picking candidates.... of course they want to ...

On the other hand, Id probably  be annoyed if it happened in my area...(given that it’s about as Tory as thatchers gusset here, there little chance of it making any difference).
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« Reply #15443 on: February 23, 2021, 03:34:17 pm »
The fact that all three have effectively been barred from running means that unless a local Councillor throws their hat into the ring (because Labour have pledged to scrap the role and return to cabinet format something the candidates support, I can’t see a local MP standing) it looks like an outsider may be selected.
That may be necessary for a variety of reasons to do with scandals, but it looks pretty shit.
Are the Labour Party saying that the local party in the city is too corrupt? If so who allowed them to put forward candidates, and who did the interviewing in both the original and the latest round.


Subtext I'm taking from it is, yeah, corrupt, incompetent, or happy to look away from something the party is now aware could be a major issue. Pass on the rest. One way out might be to bring someone in who is definitely outside it. Better than Tories setting Liverpool's budgets direct from Westminster, I guess? Messy.
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« Reply #15444 on: February 23, 2021, 03:35:49 pm »
Oh shit...  !

Well I'm still not sure.  ;D

The farmed salmon industry is just an environmental/ecological disaster. I saw a farm up close when I was in Ullapool last summer and it was horrific.

The Salmond thing is a long story, don't know where to start. Basically Salmond wanted to submit evidence to the inquiry and the Spectator has a copy, but the Crown Office and Rape Crisis Scotland argued it shouldn't be made public as there is a chance it could reveal the names of the accusers in Salmonds trial. There is a court order that is supposed to stop it being published but there has been a lot of back and forth, with different groups calling for different things. It got published by the Scottish Parliament yesterday, and to be honest didn't seem to have any of the bombshell evidence that it had been hyped up to be. Now it has been taken down again I think.

Salmond is supposed to be appearing at the inquiry tomorrow but it has been delayed multiple times already and he says he won't appear if this evidence isn't published beforehand.


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« Reply #15445 on: February 23, 2021, 03:49:09 pm »
As I understand it, it was released heavily redacted, but was released as a full version last night and then withdrawn?

It seems to be a Salmond Sturgeon power battle...  I’m not sure I trust Salmond to tell the truth (but that’s just my impression)
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« Reply #15446 on: February 23, 2021, 03:52:56 pm »
As I understand it, it was released heavily redacted, but was released as a full version last night and then withdrawn?

It seems to be a Salmond Sturgeon power battle...  I’m not sure I trust Salmond to tell the truth (but that’s just my impression)

I don't trust him either. He also doesn't seem to have noticed the polling showing he is less popular in Scotland than Boris these days.... he isn't going to win any battle against Sturgeon.

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« Reply #15447 on: February 23, 2021, 04:30:38 pm »
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« Reply #15448 on: February 23, 2021, 04:48:51 pm »
Chaotic the key word.

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« Reply #15449 on: February 23, 2021, 04:52:19 pm »
Chaotic the key word.

Certainly seems like an interesting strategy for the party to be taking in the run-up to May's local elections. Never mind, Scottish Northern Liverpudlian voters have nowhere else to go.

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« Reply #15450 on: February 23, 2021, 05:50:35 pm »
I don't trust him either. He also doesn't seem to have noticed the polling showing he is less popular in Scotland than Boris these days.... he isn't going to win any battle against Sturgeon.
When I say trust, I mean I don’t think I would feel personally safe in the same room as him.  I feel the same about a George Galloway.

Something of the psychopathic tendency about both of them in my opinion.
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« Reply #15451 on: February 23, 2021, 05:57:01 pm »
When I say trust, I mean I don’t think I would feel personally safe in the same room as him.  I feel the same about a George Galloway.

Something of the psychopathic tendency about both of them in my opinion.

Oh I agree with you there...

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« Reply #15452 on: February 23, 2021, 05:59:29 pm »
There was an interesting discussion on todays The Bunker with Ayesha Hhazarika who gave some really valid reasons why Starmer shouldn't have demanded Hancock's resignation and later in the show David Blunkett joined and agreed with her entirely.


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« Reply #15453 on: February 23, 2021, 06:37:54 pm »
Tweet from @BritainElects: Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (+2)
LAB: 37% (-1)
LDEM: 7% (-1)
GRN: 5% (-)
REFUK: 3% (+1)

via @RedfieldWilton, 22 Feb
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https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/gb-voting-intention-22-february-2021/

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« Reply #15454 on: February 23, 2021, 06:47:26 pm »
There was an interesting discussion on todays The Bunker with Ayesha Hhazarika who gave some really valid reasons why Starmer shouldn't have demanded Hancock's resignation and later in the show David Blunkett joined and agreed with her entirely.

Did they discuss as to why it was supposedly right for Labour to call for Gavin Williamson's resignation only a month prior? He didn't even break the law unlike Hancock. Also, Labour surely can't have believed Williamson would actually resign, which undermines the "only pick fights you can win" argument used to defend Starmer at the weekend.
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« Reply #15455 on: February 23, 2021, 06:56:08 pm »
Tweet from @BritainElects: Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (+2)
LAB: 37% (-1)
LDEM: 7% (-1)
GRN: 5% (-)
REFUK: 3% (+1)

via @RedfieldWilton, 22 Feb
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https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/gb-voting-intention-22-february-2021/

Tha poll has an absolutely wild Scottish subsample showing SNP down 11 points. Of course people are saying it is down to the whole Salmond thing but it does make me question it a bit (as well as subsamples having huge margins of error).

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« Reply #15456 on: February 23, 2021, 07:12:41 pm »
Tha poll has an absolutely wild Scottish subsample showing SNP down 11 points. Of course people are saying it is down to the whole Salmond thing but it does make me question it a bit (as well as subsamples having huge margins of error).

Aye, there's some proper polling coming from some of the big pollsters, whose polling experts have been rightly rude about the Scottish 'one' doing the rounds. As you say, pulling out the crosstabs not weighted for the purpose they're being used for is mad as hats.

Generally though, Tories taking a lead with the vaccine rollout and better control of the messaging is what it is.

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Guardian seeming to confirm the reasons for the last minute issues in Liverpool with the shortlist.

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One council insider said that Labour’s NEC had “taken its time waking up to the situation on the ground in Liverpool with both the police investigation and the government inspection”.

In December, the government ordered an inspection into the council’s planning, highways, regeneration and property management functions after the arrest of Joe Anderson, the city’s mayor, and several council officers as part of an investigation into allegations of corruption in regeneration projects.

Anderson denies wrongdoing but stepped back from his position and said he would not stand for re-election, prompting the selection race.

Two of the three candidates – Ann O’Byrne and Wendy Simon – served as Anderson’s deputy mayor. O’Byrne previously held the regeneration brief but dramatically quit Anderson’s cabinet in 2018, accusing him of “not listening” to colleagues.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/23/labour-scraps-all-female-shortlist-for-liverpool-mayor

Building up to quite the stink with Unite being linked to it all and having their own 'issues' about probity.
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« Reply #15457 on: February 23, 2021, 08:36:48 pm »
I don't trust him either. He also doesn't seem to have noticed the polling showing he is less popular in Scotland than Boris these days.... he isn't going to win any battle against Sturgeon.

He was always in love with his career more than anything else. He was a very capable politician, with a love of the good life which you could put up with, but he totally lost my respect when he got in bed with Murdoch then Russia Today. And that was all before the credible accusations about him came out. Of course, he was cleared of them by a jury of his peers.
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« Reply #15458 on: February 23, 2021, 08:40:45 pm »
What I don't understand is how does stopping all three candidates running just to stave off the potential stink around O'Byrne (who i have heard only bad things about from anyone I know who has had personal dealings with her) make sense politically or otherwise? If there is a stink around O'Byrne it is going to come out regardless - what does stopping the other two candidates from running achieve? It will only leave Labour open to all sorts of flak internally and externally.

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« Reply #15459 on: February 23, 2021, 08:42:12 pm »
He was always in love with his career more than anything else. He was a very capable politician, with a love of the good life which you could put up with, but he totally lost my respect when he got in bed with Murdoch then Russia Today. And that was all before the credible accusations about him came out. Of course, he was cleared of them by a jury of his peers.

Yeah, he was done in Scottish politics before any of the allegations came up. RT was the final nail in that coffin.

Confirmed now he has pulled out of appearing at the inquiry tomorrow.

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« Reply #15460 on: February 23, 2021, 10:21:23 pm »
I expect Labour to hammer Hancock over this. it's not only a insult to NHS workers it's a insult to the Britsh public, he must think we all have the memories of a Goldfish, no shortage of PPE during the early days of the Pandamic my arse. I remember hospitals were saying they had to send taxis to neighboring hospitals trying to scrounge anything spare, they came back with very little.

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« Reply #15461 on: February 23, 2021, 10:46:55 pm »
I expect Labour to hammer Hancock over this. it's not only a insult to NHS workers it's a insult to the Britsh public, he must think we all have the memories of a Goldfish, no shortage of PPE during the early days of the Pandamic my arse. I remember hospitals were saying they had to send taxis to neighboring hospitals trying to scrounge anything spare, they came back with very little.

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These words on @BBCRadio4 from @MattHancock are categorically not true.

I say this as someone who *begged* local veterinary practices & schools for masks & visors. Whose hospice nearly closed down through lack of PPE. This was happening up & down the country. It was horrendous.
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/hancock-under-fire-claiming-never-140917037.html

Hancock used the phrase ‘we wrapped our arms around care homes’ back in the Summer, not long after Covid had ravaged the sector, via minimal to zero PPE and though transferring infected hospital patients into care homes.

Still, he managed to dish out plenty of contracts under Covid cover to whoever.

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« Reply #15462 on: February 23, 2021, 11:10:52 pm »
Hancock used the phrase ‘we wrapped our arms around care homes’ back in the Summer, not long after Covid had ravaged the sector, via minimal to zero PPE and though transferring infected hospital patients into care homes.

Still, he managed to dish out plenty of contracts under Covid cover to whoever.
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The government left millions of people to their own devices during a national emergency, self isolate had one obvious problem, people have to eat.  online food deliveries were practically impossible to book, I was lucky to have close family living near me to drop food off for me but am sure others didn't, how many people were forced out of their homes to walk around shopping. how many caught Covid as they had no way of buying a mask at the time. Asda out their arms around me more than Johnson did fir a year.
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« Reply #15463 on: February 23, 2021, 11:55:50 pm »
I expect Labour to hammer Hancock over this.

You may be waiting a while.

They'll say it's not in the national interest or some other bullshit centrist bollocks.
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« Reply #15464 on: February 24, 2021, 07:09:28 am »
There was an interesting discussion on todays The Bunker with Ayesha Hhazarika who gave some really valid reasons why Starmer shouldn't have demanded Hancock's resignation and later in the show David Blunkett joined and agreed with her entirely.

Dont suppose you have a copy do you?

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« Reply #15465 on: February 24, 2021, 07:11:23 am »
Can anyone wrap up for me (as i can't follow the thread on this) what exactly is happening with the local mayor elections in Liverpool?

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« Reply #15466 on: February 24, 2021, 08:09:28 am »
Can anyone wrap up for me (as i can't follow the thread on this) what exactly is happening with the local mayor elections in Liverpool?

Background is Anderson stepping down under police investigation for corruption, which he denies, alongside 'unnamed' (court restrictions) others. Government have an investigation going on to see if they're going to send commissioners in to run the council if it isn't under competent new leadership. Labour initially shortlist three candidates. Then late in the process the national party says they need to do additional scrutiny of the candidates. End result is party deciding not to put any of the three forward, with only vague reasons given, and to reopen applications at the very last moment instead. Cue immense amounts of fume because it looks like the most recent 2019 MP shortlist mess of imposing outside candidates against local party wishes. And further proof that a fair chunk of the Labour party membership is quite happy to hold any position on an issue depending on whether they think their faction will benefit from it.
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« Reply #15467 on: February 24, 2021, 09:03:43 am »
Background is Anderson stepping down under police investigation for corruption, which he denies, alongside 'unnamed' (court restrictions) others. Government have an investigation going on to see if they're going to send commissioners in to run the council if it isn't under competent new leadership. Labour initially shortlist three candidates. Then late in the process the national party says they need to do additional scrutiny of the candidates. End result is party deciding not to put any of the three forward, with only vague reasons given, and to reopen applications at the very last moment instead. Cue immense amounts of fume because it looks like the most recent 2019 MP shortlist mess of imposing outside candidates against local party wishes. And further proof that a fair chunk of the Labour party membership is quite happy to hold any position on an issue depending on whether they think their faction will benefit from it.

The fact they're only allowing new candidates 48 hours to get their nominations in is the bit that makes me raise my eyebrows most, to be honest.

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« Reply #15468 on: February 24, 2021, 09:08:03 am »
The fact they're only allowing new candidates 48 hours to get their nominations in is the bit that makes me raise my eyebrows most, to be honest.

It's ridiculously short notice, yeah. It does hint that they've got a candidate or two lined up. If they have, expect outside of anything to do with council decisions the past few years and not beholden to Unite in any way. Clean break kind of thing. Just an incredible mess all round to leave it so late. Makes you wonder what caused the second round of scrutiny.
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« Reply #15469 on: February 24, 2021, 09:09:48 am »
The biggest laugh I've seen of this has been that complete incompetent Zarah Sultana stating that Labour Party members must be able to select their own candidates. This undemocratic interference has to end. Yes like in Coventry South  ;D

During the Corbyn era we had candidate stitch ups and unelected appointments of friends to senior positions within the party.

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« Reply #15470 on: February 24, 2021, 09:10:45 am »
Background is Anderson stepping down under police investigation for corruption, which he denies, alongside 'unnamed' (court restrictions) others. Government have an investigation going on to see if they're going to send commissioners in to run the council if it isn't under competent new leadership. Labour initially shortlist three candidates. Then late in the process the national party says they need to do additional scrutiny of the candidates. End result is party deciding not to put any of the three forward, with only vague reasons given, and to reopen applications at the very last moment instead. Cue immense amounts of fume because it looks like the most recent 2019 MP shortlist mess of imposing outside candidates against local party wishes. And further proof that a fair chunk of the Labour party membership is quite happy to hold any position on an issue depending on whether they think their faction will benefit from it.

The problem I have with the process is that the three candidates were selected, and just before the ballots were due to arrive, they recalled the candidates for re interview.
We were told that the interviews would be held and new nominations announced if required with ballots now arriving on Monday.
Monday passed by, and midway through Tuesday, an email landed which said the candidates had been effectively been barred from running as Labour candidates. It then went on to say that anyone wishing to stand would have to have their application ready for a closing date on Thursday.
No reasons given.
Effectively saying to the three candidates you are not fit to be candidates after selecting them calls the process into question.
To then try and find alternatives in two days seems to be crazy. Unless of course there are already people lined up, in which case they have an unfair advantage over anyone seeking to write and apply over the next two days.
Regardless of the political leanings or the allegations of corruption, the process reflects badly on the party.
No doubt there will be some spin which paints the leadership as fighting extremism or corruption, but i fear it will only pour more fuel on the PR dumpster fire caused by whoever is making these decisions.

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« Reply #15471 on: February 24, 2021, 09:46:17 am »
The problem I have with the process is that the three candidates were selected, and just before the ballots were due to arrive, they recalled the candidates for re interview.
We were told that the interviews would be held and new nominations announced if required with ballots now arriving on Monday.
Monday passed by, and midway through Tuesday, an email landed which said the candidates had been effectively been barred from running as Labour candidates. It then went on to say that anyone wishing to stand would have to have their application ready for a closing date on Thursday.
No reasons given.
Effectively saying to the three candidates you are not fit to be candidates after selecting them calls the process into question.
To then try and find alternatives in two days seems to be crazy. Unless of course there are already people lined up, in which case they have an unfair advantage over anyone seeking to write and apply over the next two days.
Regardless of the political leanings or the allegations of corruption, the process reflects badly on the party.
No doubt there will be some spin which paints the leadership as fighting extremism or corruption, but i fear it will only pour more fuel on the PR dumpster fire caused by whoever is making these decisions.



Agree with you up to the last sentence, although it's not a 'bar' on reapplying. Think months ahead will tell whether those who've made this decision have made the better one and maybe some firm reasons to support it which can be put down on paper rather than wrapped in Labourspeak. But you're right about perceptions. Although it's not exactly a downside for the national party if some want to discredit and marginalise themselves further out of reflex so long as Liverpool itself doesn't become a pinata for the Tories to hit every time they fancy a fight.
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Re: Led by Donkeys. Really nasty ones. Politics Thread III
« Reply #15472 on: February 24, 2021, 09:54:14 am »
Agree with you up to the last sentence, although it's not a 'bar' on reapplying. Think months ahead will tell whether those who've made this decision have made the better one and maybe some firm reasons to support it which can be put down on paper rather than wrapped in Labourspeak. But you're right about perceptions. Although it's not exactly a downside for the national party if some want to discredit and marginalise themselves further out of reflex so long as Liverpool itself doesn't become a pinata for the Tories to hit every time they fancy a fight.

Rothery is threatening legal action so we'll see what happens.

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Re: Led by Donkeys. Really nasty ones. Politics Thread III
« Reply #15473 on: February 24, 2021, 10:00:18 am »
Rothery is threatening legal action so we'll see what happens.

Yeah, I saw that. Not sure what good it'll do any candidate to take it to court if rulebook was followed. Not like it works for getting yourself onto a shortlist to be the PPC if the NEC dive in over the top, is it? But sure Unite will quite happily fund it regardless to find out.
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Re: Led by Donkeys. Really nasty ones. Politics Thread III
« Reply #15474 on: February 24, 2021, 10:28:06 am »
Agree with you up to the last sentence, although it's not a 'bar' on reapplying. Think months ahead will tell whether those who've made this decision have made the better one and maybe some firm reasons to support it which can be put down on paper rather than wrapped in Labourspeak. But you're right about perceptions. Although it's not exactly a downside for the national party if some want to discredit and marginalise themselves further out of reflex so long as Liverpool itself doesn't become a pinata for the Tories to hit every time they fancy a fight.

The Tory media are very adept at creating a pińata.
Look at how Starmers evisceration of Johnson at the early PMQs was countered by a ridiculous story about a donkey sanctuary
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Re: Led by Donkeys. Really nasty ones. Politics Thread III
« Reply #15475 on: February 24, 2021, 11:02:56 am »
The number of MP's that have come out in support of Rothery and condeming the process is telling.

Also pulling up a rather unfortunate tweet by Starmer from last year

The selections for Labour candidates needs to be more democratic and we should end NEC impositions of candidates. Local Party members should select their candidates for every election.
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Re: Led by Donkeys. Really nasty ones. Politics Thread III
« Reply #15476 on: February 24, 2021, 11:33:48 am »
Starmer's doing a great job of pissing off people who voted Labour in 2019 whilst simultaneously making next to no impression on those who voted Tory, its a bold strategy cotton.

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Re: Led by Donkeys. Really nasty ones. Politics Thread III
« Reply #15477 on: February 24, 2021, 11:38:16 am »
Starmer's doing a great job of pissing off people who voted Labour in 2019 whilst simultaneously making next to no impression on those who voted Tory, its a bold strategy cotton.

Grim isn't it? 11 years of Tory rule with no sign of it coming to an end with the Labour party in it's current state.

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« Reply #15478 on: February 24, 2021, 11:48:02 am »
Grim isn't it? 11 years of Tory rule with no sign of it coming to an end with the Labour party in it's current state.

Tories are in year 2 of a 5 year term after their landslide win so this administration won’t be under any threat until the next election whenever that may be.

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Re: Led by Donkeys. Really nasty ones. Politics Thread III
« Reply #15479 on: February 24, 2021, 11:51:01 am »
Starmer's doing a great job of pissing off people who voted Labour in 2019 whilst simultaneously making next to no impression on those who voted Tory, its a bold strategy cotton.
Who do you think should replace him.?
 ive not been too impressed with him over the last few weeks but if he has to go then he has to go for one reason only, he's not good enough. not because he's not left wing enough.
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