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Philippe Coutinho
« on: August 21, 2019, 09:52:41 PM »
Now on loan at Bayern München. That escalated quickly. It will be interesting to see what he can make of this. The buyout clause is fairly high after all, so will remain to be seen whether he can impress Bayern suitably enough to earn a permanent move or whether it'll be back to square one again next summer. At least he should be able to integrate quickly thanks to him learning English while here, and that works just fine in Germany.

As for me, I'm happy to see that he's not in England, not at Barca and will play in all-red since it suited him last time, maybe that's what he needs?  ;D

Anyway, after 1.5 years I think it's time to have such a thread. He gave us plenty of good after all and turned down other English clubs, seemingly because of his connection to Liverpool, so I can respect him for that. The 4-0 and the big ears definitely eases any tension too...

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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2019, 10:31:33 PM »
Doubt Bayern have any big interest in signing him, hence the high buy-out that they won't be overly bothered by.

They'll be back in for Sane next year, and already working on a deal for Havertz, so even though they are rich, I can't see them spending what would likely end up being well over £300 mill for all 3. Although should Coutinho have a season that is so incredibly good, that could change a few things.

But what this is of course, is a great chance for Coutinho to get back on track. He should be a regular in the Bayern team soon, and he'll get the support there too, shouldn't have problems with the fans and media giving him shit I don't think!

I look forward to seeing him play again, and like you, glad he's not back in the prem!
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2019, 10:39:14 PM »
Doubt Bayern have any big interest in signing him, hence the high buy-out that they won't be overly bothered by.

If he has a lukewarm season, they might get him cheaper next summer, who knows? The main thing Phil needs is trust. That being said, I think he'll still have plenty of suitors regardless next summer and possibly a few German medals in his trophy cabinet as well. It's a win-win for him.

For us, having van Dijk and Alisson in his place also was a win-win. Quality player but we got two for one luxury player there! Not to mention Fabinho also. I doubt all three of them would've been Liverpool players today had not Phil kicked up a fuss. All those three positions were crucial in winning the Champions League.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #3 on: September 2, 2019, 04:44:18 AM »
Shame we don't have a record of his performances at Barca on record here for posterity, as he did well for a while, but I think being signed at the same time as Dembele as well as coming in when Xavi and Neymar both disappeared, meant he shouldered a huge burden beyond what even those of us who loved Phil at LFC would expect was reasonable. So the writing was on the wall.

Any thoughts on how he'll fare in Germany?

I see he's replaced Muller in one game (on the hour mark) and then started in place of Muller in the next (subbed off for Muller on about the hour).

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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #4 on: September 2, 2019, 04:08:28 PM »
Shame we don't have a record of his performances at Barca on record here for posterity, as he did well for a while, but I think being signed at the same time as Dembele as well as coming in when Xavi and Neymar both disappeared, meant he shouldered a huge burden beyond what even those of us who loved Phil at LFC would expect was reasonable. So the writing was on the wall.

Any thoughts on how he'll fare in Germany?

I see he's replaced Muller in one game (on the hour mark) and then started in place of Muller in the next (subbed off for Muller on about the hour).

Depends if they can figure out what his best position is, something coaches seem to be having an issue with since he left here!

Müller has been off the boil for a long time, so really, I can only see improvement for Bayern if the idea is he takes his place in the starting lineup somehow. Kovac had trouble integrating James to any good effect in the team last season, hopefully he won't have such trouble with Coutinho. Big season for him really, a chance to really get back on track.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #5 on: September 2, 2019, 06:38:09 PM »
Depends if they can figure out what his best position is, something coaches seem to be having an issue with since he left here!

Müller has been off the boil for a long time, so really, I can only see improvement for Bayern if the idea is he takes his place in the starting lineup somehow. Kovac had trouble integrating James to any good effect in the team last season, hopefully he won't have such trouble with Coutinho. Big season for him really, a chance to really get back on track.

It's a huge season for him this one, if he doesn't get his career back up and running I don't even know where he goes from here. What a silly billy.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2019, 11:43:50 AM »
Read this recent article on Coutinho’s views on Klopp and his recent move to Bayern Munich: http://sportwitness.co.uk/coutinho-makes-klopp-unique-wants-beat-liverpool-cl/

I’m so happy we did not resign him and I would not want him back at the club. He seems to have a lot of respect for Klopp  but I have my doubts whether he actually has respect for the club and supporters itself. He is a player that belongs to a different era when we had our struggles post Hicks and Gillete. I can only say that I’m grateful we got a top fee for him and reinvested those funds wisely in players that suit our system better. All is well that ends well ( thankfully for once).
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2019, 05:13:36 PM »
He crossed that invisible threshold of being enough of an asshole for me to always have a nice schadenfreude jolt if anything goes bad for him.

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2019, 01:12:48 PM »
He crossed that invisible threshold of being enough of an asshole for me to always have a nice schadenfreude jolt if anything goes bad for him.

That’s funny 😂 you’ve probably encapsulated the thoughts of a lot of supporters
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2019, 03:51:26 AM »
Hope his back doesn't play up again
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2019, 10:26:27 AM »
Looks like he's absolutely tearing it up in Germany. Another kick in the teeth for Barca.


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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2019, 10:36:08 AM »
Bayern look to be playing him as a number 10, exactly the right choice. Unfortunately, Barca will continue to play the same 4-3-3 until Messi retires. Looks like he's having a great time there!


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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2019, 12:02:42 PM »
Bayern look to be playing him as a number 10, exactly the right choice. Unfortunately, Barca will continue to play the same 4-3-3 until Messi retires. Looks like he's having a great time there!


Do Bayern have an option to buy? Wonder how much?

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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2019, 12:35:28 PM »
He has aged a lot since he left LFC - he looks so much older now.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2019, 09:00:45 PM »
He has aged a lot since he left LFC - he looks so much older now.

All the beer he's giving a good twatting at Oktoberfest ;D
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2019, 09:04:53 PM »
Looks like he's absolutely tearing it up in Germany. Another kick in the teeth for Barca.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2019, 09:09:06 PM »
Do Bayern have an option to buy? Wonder how much?

Yes they do, for 120 mill Euros.

Unless he has some sort of magical season where they realise he's the one for them I can't see them signing him, it's just a short term fix for them. They'll go for Havertz and Sane next year, and I'm guessing that they'd love to get the two German lads first and foremost! 
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2019, 04:06:52 AM »
Bayern look to be playing him as a number 10, exactly the right choice. Unfortunately, Barca will continue to play the same 4-3-3 until Messi retires. Looks like he's having a great time there!


He looks like a hobbit.

I know you're only messing, but I'm sure that's less a good night out and more a marketing campaign for their sponsors aiming to help encourage young supporters to drink ;)

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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2019, 11:38:01 AM »
Saw some highlights of him at Bayern, he looks really different. Like he's aged about 10 years at Barca. Maybe it's just me but he looks more bulked up than when he was here.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2019, 12:07:36 PM »
He looks like a hobbit.

I know you're only messing, but I'm sure that's less a good night out and more a marketing campaign for their sponsors aiming to help encourage young supporters to drink ;)
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« Reply #21 on: October 1, 2019, 12:51:44 PM »
I know he didn't leave us on the best of terms with his "back issue," but maybe I'm just too old to hold a grudge and stay angry at a footballer of all people....I'm a bit pleased to see him doing well at Bayern - particularly showing that Barça isn't a fucking golden palace bathed in rainbows and unicorns. That assist this weekend was glorious.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #22 on: October 3, 2019, 02:29:27 PM »
Coutinho has always been one of my favourite players to watch, like Kovac said, he "dances" with the ball at times. i was disappointed when he made the decision to leave for Barcelona, and was hoping we could "get" him back even. on pure football term, he's a pure pleasure to watch, i just hope we don't have to face him when he's on top of his game.(although i'm pretty sure he wouldn't perform whenever he faces us, : ) look at what happened in CL semi to both him and Luis. i think that's the proof that deep down this club has been part of them that can never be taken away.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2019, 08:18:50 PM »
Don't know how much truth in the figures is but just read that Barca are yet to pay an outstanding sum of £84m to the reds & apparently we have sold the debt to a financial institution.

https://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-transfers/35223-liverpool-cash-in-barcelona-philippe-coutinho-debt-bayern-munich/
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2019, 11:16:29 AM »
So a montage of his time at Bayern on Youtube the other day and he looks to be back to his best, he has that swagger in his play again when he's just dribbling past players and also those great little touches and passes, He looks to be enjoying his football again.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2019, 11:20:38 AM »
Don't know how much truth in the figures is but just read that Barca are yet to pay an outstanding sum of £84m to the reds & apparently we have sold the debt to a financial institution.

https://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-transfers/35223-liverpool-cash-in-barcelona-philippe-coutinho-debt-bayern-munich/

Could be true and the best way for clubs to do things I suppose. You don't really want to sully your name as a club chasing payments where as companies don't care

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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2019, 11:26:21 AM »
I think it may be a misreading -- Barça took out a loan to pay for Coutinho and still owe 84 million to the banks is the alternative interpretation doing the rounds.

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« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2019, 11:28:19 AM »
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2019, 11:40:07 AM »
So a montage of his time at Bayern on Youtube the other day and he looks to be back to his best, he has that swagger in his play again when he's just dribbling past players and also those great little touches and passes, He looks to be enjoying his football again.

He's definately showing more than a few glimpses now of the Liverpool version of Coutinho, you could see it in their CL game vs Spurs as well, playing with far more confidence and swagger. At least this season with Bayern should give him the stage to show he's got it. Heck, I've always had a suspicion he'll outlast Valverde at Barcelona, and end up going back and maybe turning it around there!

 

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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2019, 01:46:02 PM »
He's definately showing more than a few glimpses now of the Liverpool version of Coutinho, you could see it in their CL game vs Spurs as well, playing with far more confidence and swagger. At least this season with Bayern should give him the stage to show he's got it. Heck, I've always had a suspicion he'll outlast Valverde at Barcelona, and end up going back and maybe turning it around there!

For him to excel the ball has to go through him and as long as Messi is there, that won't happen. valvered is also a problem, but it's not just a valverde issue.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2019, 03:16:14 PM »
valvered is also a problem,

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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2019, 03:31:10 PM »
With Coutinho in this form Bayern will be a tricksy prospect if we end up playing them.  Need Milner to upend Coutinho as soon as possible in a match like that!
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« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2019, 04:50:50 PM »
For him to excel the ball has to go through him and as long as Messi is there, that won't happen. valvered is also a problem, but it's not just a valverde issue.

Personally don't think he'll ever thrive at Barcelona.  He needs the perfect environment to thrive and don't think he'll ever get that support at Barca.

There's no doubting his talent, I just don't think he has the 'don't give a fuck' attitude to play anywhere, and be the best regardless of the pressures.

Also don't think he'll perform to his best if we somehow draw Bayern - for the same reasons above.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2019, 10:08:55 AM »
I don't watch Bayern that often, but I've read that he's not getting much minutes under the current manager of Bayern. I wonder what went wrong with this little fella?!
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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2019, 12:55:43 PM »
I wonder what went wrong with this little fella?!

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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2019, 01:48:48 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2019, 02:06:32 PM »
I wonder if he regrets it

Don't think so - his dream was always to play for Bayern.

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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2019, 02:10:07 PM »
Bayern were never going to buy him anyway. Even if he did well at the agreed price. He was simply loaned as a stop gap for Sane to recover from injury. Hilarious Barca fell for it. It was so obvious.

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« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2019, 02:20:53 PM »
I don't watch Bayern that often, but I've read that he's not getting much minutes under the current manager of Bayern. I wonder what went wrong with this little fella?!

He was doing well for Bayern, but hasn't started the 2 matches under the current head coach Hansi Flick, who has gone back to starting Thomas Müller, and they won both games comfortably.  Guess time will tell how much of a role he'll play going forward under him! He looked good in the short time he was on the pitch in the last league game before the international break.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2019, 02:27:52 PM »
He was doing well for Bayern, but hasn't started the 2 matches under the current head coach Hansi Flick, who has gone back to starting Thomas Müller, and they won both games comfortably.  Guess time will tell how much of a role he'll play going forward under him! He looked good in the short time he was on the pitch in the last league game before the international break.


He was being blamed for their 5-1 loss and hadn't scored in 6 before he was dropped, though?
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