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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #80 on: June 12, 2019, 07:36:40 PM »
£25 or £30 million may be a good price on paper but it smacks of penny wise, pound foolish. We don't need the money and we know Dejan can perform at the highest level, so what would be the point of selling him when we don't have anyone else lined up and will need to pay a lot more to get someone who is as good?

We do?  ??? ???

Weird one this, for me. There is a certain portion of our fanbase who is oddly convinced that Lovren is actually good, which I don't really understand. Even if he was, he's always injured and he's about to turn 30. I think we'd all agree that Gomez/VVD is first choice with Matip our 3rd option on the bench, so for me we get another younger CB to develop as fourth choice with the Lovren money and we're way ahead of the game.

And obviously Edwards agrees if he's putting it out there through Joyce that we're open to hearing offers for Dejan.
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #81 on: June 12, 2019, 07:40:44 PM »
We do?  ??? ???

Weird one this, for me. There is a certain portion of our fanbase who is oddly convinced that Lovren is actually good, which I don't really understand. Even if he was, he's always injured and he's about to turn 30. I think we'd all agree that Gomez/VVD is first choice with Matip our 3rd option on the bench, so for me we get another younger CB to develop as fourth choice with the Lovren money and we're way ahead of the game.

And obviously Edwards agrees if he's putting it out there through Joyce that we're open to hearing offers for Dejan.

And they can retort and say that there is a certain portion of our fanbase who is oddly convinced that Lovren is rubbish.

Kloppo has shipped out Sakho (not just cos he wasn't that good, but cos he was unprofessional, granted) and Skrtel, didn't re-sign Toure, allowed Klavan to leave to get more playing time, yet Lovren is still here, and they don't really want to sell him.  You think he'd still be here if he wasn't a very good player?
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #82 on: June 12, 2019, 07:44:18 PM »
He is a good player, seems like a top bloke and he loves the club. Would be sorry to see him sold but trust Jurgen on this, if good money is offered we may be tempted to sell given his injury record. But we would have to buy someone else.
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #83 on: June 12, 2019, 07:46:45 PM »
It all depends on who we identify as a replacement. He is about to be 30 and can't really be trusted to stay fit, so it's understandable that the club would be open to selling him.
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« Reply #84 on: June 12, 2019, 07:47:43 PM »
It all depends on who we identify as a replacement. He is about to be 30 and can't really be trusted to stay fit, so it's understandable that the club would be open to selling him.

Who said we were open to sell?
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #85 on: June 12, 2019, 07:49:00 PM »
Who said we were open to sell?

Joyce said we’d want £25m, rather than say we didn’t want to sell, so there is that.

I can see why we might look at it. As far as maximising value this summer is probably it.

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #86 on: June 12, 2019, 07:49:27 PM »
Who said we were open to sell?

Joyce said if we received an offer of £25m we would be. From the OP:

"It would take an offer in excess of £25million for Liverpool to entertain selling Dejan Lovren this summer."
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #87 on: June 12, 2019, 07:51:33 PM »
We do?  ??? ???

Weird one this, for me. There is a certain portion of our fanbase who is oddly convinced that Lovren is actually good, which I don't really understand. Even if he was, he's always injured and he's about to turn 30. I think we'd all agree that Gomez/VVD is first choice with Matip our 3rd option on the bench, so for me we get another younger CB to develop as fourth choice with the Lovren money and we're way ahead of the game.

And obviously Edwards agrees if he's putting it out there through Joyce that we're open to hearing offers for Dejan.

I’m assuming we class the manager as part of the fan base too...?
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #88 on: June 12, 2019, 07:54:51 PM »
Joyce said if we received an offer of £25m we would be. From the OP:

"It would take an offer in excess of £25million for Liverpool to entertain selling Dejan Lovren this summer."

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #89 on: June 12, 2019, 08:01:37 PM »
I’m assuming we class the manager as part of the fan base too...?

Who cares what Klopp thinks as Kochevnik here thinks he's not good, so that's that


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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #90 on: June 12, 2019, 08:16:05 PM »
Would easily take any bid over 25m for him...but highly doubt there's any reasonably priced replacements that are upgrades or sideways moves. Any player we get would probably be a younger project type player. We're not dropping 50m+ on 4th choice CB. IMO, Gomez is VVD's first choice partner when healthy...and since his injuries have been impact ones, I certainly expect him to be there most of the time.

How's Jonathan Tah doing these days? I remember clamoring for him a couple years back.

Definitely out of reach, but Kimpembe would be nice as both CB and LB cover.

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2019, 08:22:02 PM »
Would easily take any bid over 25m for him...but highly doubt there's any reasonably priced replacements that are upgrades or sideways moves. Any player we get would probably be a younger project type player. We're not dropping 50m+ on 4th choice CB. IMO, Gomez is VVD's first choice partner when healthy...and since his injuries have been impact ones, I certainly expect him to be there most of the time.

How's Jonathan Tah doing these days? I remember clamoring for him a couple years back. Definitely out of reach, but Kimpembe would be nice as both CB and LB cover.

I think Tah is at that stage of his career, when a move to a team where he knows he'd struggle to start for every week, wouldn't be a good idea! He's just breaking into the German national set up now.  (Started his first competitive game last week).   And he's not as good a prospect as Gomez in my view, and I'd have Matip ahead of him at this moment in their respective careers too.  For a team like Arsenal - he'd walk into their starting lineup, but not here.  I mean, he'd be great as a squad player - but not the sort of move that'd work for him I'd say.
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #92 on: June 12, 2019, 08:48:59 PM »
We do?  ??? ???

Weird one this, for me. There is a certain portion of our fanbase who is oddly convinced that Lovren is actually good, which I don't really understand. Even if he was, he's always injured and he's about to turn 30. I think we'd all agree that Gomez/VVD is first choice with Matip our 3rd option on the bench, so for me we get another younger CB to develop as fourth choice with the Lovren money and we're way ahead of the game.

And obviously Edwards agrees if he's putting it out there through Joyce that we're open to hearing offers for Dejan.

Yeah, he's a pretty good 4th CB option, maybe even very good. But I don't think it's a coincidence that our defense went up a level this year with Lovren out injured.

Anything over 20 million and we should jump at it. Edwards can absolutely find a comparable player for a similar transfer fee and lower wages.


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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #93 on: June 12, 2019, 08:55:15 PM »
Yeah, he's a pretty good 4th CB option, maybe even very good. But I don't think it's a coincidence that our defense went up a level this year with Lovren out injured.

Anything over 20 million and we should jump at it. Edwards can absolutely find a comparable player for a similar transfer fee and lower wages.

It's more that our defence went up a level with Alisson in goal.
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #94 on: June 12, 2019, 09:00:00 PM »
25 mill for the worlds best defender!


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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2019, 09:03:25 PM »
It's more that our defence went up a level with Alisson in goal.

Fair point. Allison had much more to do with our defensive improvement than Matip/Gomez playing over Lovren.


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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #96 on: June 12, 2019, 09:05:47 PM »
Yeah, he's a pretty good 4th CB option, maybe even very good. But I don't think it's a coincidence that our defense went up a level this year with Lovren out injured.

Anything over 20 million and we should jump at it. Edwards can absolutely find a comparable player for a similar transfer fee and lower wages.
You reckon? I mean, maybe, but I think you may be underrating Lovren here. Or maybe I'm overrating him. Hard to know, I guess.

Still, I think it'd be very, very hard to find someone of comparable ability for £20m and lower wages. 5-10 years ago sure, but with the way the transfer market has gone in the last two years, I think we'd be lucky.

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #97 on: June 12, 2019, 09:10:05 PM »
We do?  ??? ???

Weird one this, for me. There is a certain portion of our fanbase who is oddly convinced that Lovren is actually good, which I don't really understand. Even if he was, he's always injured and he's about to turn 30. I think we'd all agree that Gomez/VVD is first choice with Matip our 3rd option on the bench, so for me we get another younger CB to develop as fourth choice with the Lovren money and we're way ahead of the game.

And obviously Edwards agrees if he's putting it out there through Joyce that we're open to hearing offers for Dejan.
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #98 on: June 12, 2019, 09:16:32 PM »
You reckon? I mean, maybe, but I think you may be underrating Lovren here. Or maybe I'm overrating him. Hard to know, I guess.

Still, I think it'd be very, very hard to find someone of comparable ability for £20m and lower wages. 5-10 years ago sure, but with the way the transfer market has gone in the last two years, I think we'd be lucky.

He's a polarizing player to say the least!

I don't rate him highly at all, so I'm confident in Edwards' ability to replace him.

But a fair argument might be: we don't need the money, so why let him go and take the risk of signing someone who is worse?

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #99 on: June 12, 2019, 09:39:22 PM »
He was one of the best players on the pitch in both the CL and the world cup finals one year ago, so not really. He's also not that old for a CB, only 2 years older than Koulibaly.
That doesn't reflect his status with us at the moment though.

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« Reply #100 on: June 12, 2019, 09:43:02 PM »
Funny to see people say he did nothing wrong since the 4-1 at Spurs. To me he made the most costly mistake for us in the season. He thought Aguero was still on the floor (cos he fell down), then he was shocked Aguero was on the ball, by the time Lovren tried to close him down it was a very close free hit for Sergio. This is a game we threatened to take the lead but ended up losing.

Other than that and a few headless chicken small moments, it is true to say that he is improving. I'd definitely keep him as our 4th choice central defender.
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #101 on: June 12, 2019, 09:45:19 PM »
He's a polarizing player to say the least!

I don't rate him highly at all, so I'm confident in Edwards' ability to replace him.

But a fair argument might be: we don't need the money, so why let him go and take the risk of signing someone who is worse?

You’re the one who was saying Fabinho hasn’t played as well as Can for us, right?
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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« Reply #102 on: June 12, 2019, 09:55:15 PM »
You’re the one who was saying Fabinho hasn’t played as well as Can for us, right?

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #103 on: June 12, 2019, 10:02:56 PM »
You’re the one who was saying Fabinho hasn’t played as well as Can for us, right?

That's not what I said actually.

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« Reply #104 on: June 12, 2019, 10:06:08 PM »
If we're open to offers on Lovren, could this mean they have a better option lined up already?

Big announcement during the week?

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« Reply #105 on: June 12, 2019, 10:15:09 PM »
90% of the people clamouring for De Ligt hadn’t heard of him until about 3 months ago.

yes but they hope to one day see De Ligt
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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #106 on: June 12, 2019, 10:16:10 PM »
If we're open to offers on Lovren, could this mean they have a better option lined up already?

Big announcement during the week?

Pretty much exactly what they want you to think  ;D Tune into the Echo tomorrow to check.
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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« Reply #107 on: June 12, 2019, 10:24:44 PM »
If we're open to offers on Lovren, could this mean they have a better option lined up already?

Big announcement during the week?

No it doesn't mean that.

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« Reply #108 on: June 12, 2019, 10:25:17 PM »
Lovren pisses all over Boateng and Stones and is better than Otomendi as well. He would walk into United, Arsenal's and Chelsea's back four even City's as well. The shite he gets from some of our own is just classic confirmation bias. Lovren hasnt had a bad game since the 4-1 at Spurs nearly 2 years ago. Even last season Gomez played great at the start and Matip finished well and Degsy had a mare with injuries but do fans forget the middle part of our season in November-December when we probably played our best football and won a lot of games in a row it was Degsy who was playing lights out alongside VVD in defence.

"Degsy" was shit in our most important league game of the season against city. Presumably the lights out happened against huddersfield, Watford and Cardiff?

Not saying he's a bad 4th choice of course, but  he really does some comical stuff at times. Would be looking to shift him if we can get a decent fee. Still, since he would walk into City Chelsea and arsenals teams, maybe we might get a bid from them..

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« Reply #109 on: June 12, 2019, 10:32:25 PM »
If he is happy lets lkeep him. His road looks quite blocked injuries permitting but you never know

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« Reply #110 on: June 12, 2019, 10:34:33 PM »
Dejan walks into every other team in the league apart from Spuds and maybe Chelsea, yet people think he is shit.
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« Reply #111 on: June 12, 2019, 10:38:48 PM »
One of your best (and at times, our best) CB's goes down for a long termer and you look around you and you've got Degsy and Matip lined up and it's fair to say most of us (definitely me anyway) lowered their expectations slightly. But what a step up from Matip right from the off. Then when he needed a rest or had a niggle, was great to have Degsy there. Played a key role.

Am betwixed in between. He was always going to be the one that may get replaced. I was on the De Ligt train for a bit but also think another massive punt on a CB probably isn't warranted. After the season Matip had, just not right for him to drop to fourth choice. Does rotating CB's around all season work as a thing? Not often. Building a squad capable of withstanding a long termer isn't a good look either (morale/bit negative). Fucking sad to see him go to PSG tho. Fucking idiot/poor sod. Anyone who bats at eye at PSG needs to be swerved.

He'd be a great fighter of his place back tho, so makes for a great number 4. Don't agree at all with shouts of Fabinho can play there. Yes he can, but plan not to ever be in a position to pull him away from the number 6 slot. Ever.

Happy to see him stay... happy to see him go to another big club for a last hurrah. Deserves it, but hate to lose the cult figures.


We have a couple of younger 19/20 yr old defenders that get mentioned so maybe that age bracket is ticked off... 18/19... 22/23... 26/27... 30/31/Milner+.. you need these age groups on a conveyor belt. We'd also be losing a relative elder statesman of our defense which is always sad... but.. I did want the whole of the back 5 replaced and this would end it I guess. Done surprisingly quickly and quite brilliantly.

But you can't let standards drop. Going in with 3 CB's + Fabinho is not an option. We've got some daft trips this season. I'd go for Nathan Ake. Good age, good jump up, good test, but could cost a big 50 type sling at them + a weigh up from his end. Probably not going to happen I agree.

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« Reply #112 on: June 12, 2019, 10:42:58 PM »
Keep him. Good CB who is happy to fight for his place in the team

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« Reply #113 on: June 12, 2019, 11:02:57 PM »
No it doesn't mean that.
Well he's not pushing for a move, so they must be planning on buying another CB. Unless they see Fabinho as suitable cover. There's no other reason to put him up for sale.

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« Reply #114 on: June 13, 2019, 12:08:22 AM »
Well he's not pushing for a move, so they must be planning on buying another CB. Unless they see Fabinho as suitable cover. There's no other reason to put him up for sale.

Why would we have to announce something next week? That's what you asked to begin with. There are no guarantees that:

1. Lovren agrees terms with Milan
2. Lovren wants to go to Milan at all
3. Lovren wants to go anywhere
4. We find a replacement, get an agreement and make the signing all in a weeks time.

Milan made an inquiry. We told them what they would have to bid. We aren't pushing him out, nor are we under pressure to sell him. If you read the article, it clearly says if it does happen we'd be buying a CB.

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #115 on: June 13, 2019, 12:52:15 AM »
I think Tah is at that stage of his career, when a move to a team where he knows he'd struggle to start for every week, wouldn't be a good idea! He's just breaking into the German national set up now.  (Started his first competitive game last week).   And he's not as good a prospect as Gomez in my view, and I'd have Matip ahead of him at this moment in their respective careers too.  For a team like Arsenal - he'd walk into their starting lineup, but not here.  I mean, he'd be great as a squad player - but not the sort of move that'd work for him I'd say.
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« Reply #116 on: June 13, 2019, 01:00:23 AM »
"Degsy" was shit in our most important league game of the season against city. Presumably the lights out happened against huddersfield, Watford and Cardiff?

Not saying he's a bad 4th choice of course, but  he really does some comical stuff at times. Would be looking to shift him if we can get a decent fee. Still, since he would walk into City Chelsea and arsenals teams, maybe we might get a bid from them..

What because he got done by a world class finish from Aguero. What about the City game at Anfield when he was MOTM and VVD gave a stupid penalty away or the second leg at the Etihad against City in the champions league when he was superb again and VVD got bullied (It was a foul from Sterling) for the first goial. The fact is City can make any defender look stupid even the best in the world. The biggest decider in the game at the Etihad was not Lovren getting done by Aguero for the goal it was the fucking manc referee not sending Kompany off when the game was still 0-0.

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« Reply #117 on: June 13, 2019, 01:11:36 AM »
What because he got done by a world class finish from Aguero. What about the City game at Anfield when he was MOTM and VVD gave a stupid penalty away or the second leg at the Etihad against City in the champions league when he was superb again and VVD got bullied (It was a foul from Sterling) for the first goial. The fact is City can make any defender look stupid even the best in the world. The biggest decider in the game at the Etihad was not Lovren getting done by Aguero for the goal it was the fucking manc referee not sending Kompany off when the game was still 0-0.

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #118 on: June 13, 2019, 01:31:47 AM »
I would leave the decision to Lovren on whether he wants to leave. I think he is an excellent option at centre half who can put in a performance when called upon and wont moan on the bench. If we were to let him go, we'd need to spend a lot more in getting better quality or even young talent with high ceiling so I dont see why we'd be overly enthusiastic about the deal. If he, himself wants to leave for more playing time and the money is good, then maybe, otherwise, keep.

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Re: Dejan Lovren
« Reply #119 on: June 13, 2019, 01:33:41 AM »
And to keep with the spirit of transfer madness, if we sell Dejan, I hope we get either Konate from Leipzig or Issa Diop from West Ham and not that plonker De Ligt.