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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #960 on: May 17, 2019, 04:34:40 PM »
you are right, but as the better side, if we play to our capability then   a) it is more then 50-50 we get the right  result   b)  we can only really be proud of the team for their efforts.

Hopefully that will be the case, but in football in one match, when there isn't a night and day difference in quality between the two sides on the pitch, anything can happen. We are the better side and I am confident in us against anyone, but at the same time there are no guaranties.

I am certain however that we will be angry and motivated beyond description after last year, hopefully that gets us through

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« Reply #961 on: May 17, 2019, 04:54:02 PM »
Everyone's talking about how we can win the game, which I think is obvious but here's how we can lose.

Firstly, I'd say 7 times out of 10 we'd win this final. 2 times it'd go to penalties for a lottery. and 1 time Spurs win. Here's factors that could lead to that 1 in 10 possibility by my estimation:

1. We outperform Spurs in the midfield just as we did to Barca at their Camp, but Sadio misses a few sitters just like he did at home to Bayern and Napoli. He lunges at a ball when he could've been clean through to score and fails to hit the target.

2. Firmino is having one of those days where he tries to play like Ronaldinho and touches the ball 4x before trying the easy assist for a goal. This results in some lost chances. Klopp reckons he's not totally up to speed and gets substituted after about 60min.

3. Salah's trying too hard to score the goal of the year, weaving in and out of Spurs defenders, he beats 3 players at once and then tries to curl it round the keeper when Mane is clean through. Chance gone.

4. Spurs don't do much, but when they get a chance Lucas Moura or Eriksen puts it away from the cutback.

1-0

I can't see us losing a highscoring game, but if we spoil all our chances and leave our shooting boots at home, it could be one of those days.
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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #962 on: May 17, 2019, 04:56:14 PM »
I've already played 83439434 scenarios in my head about this match, I can't take another 15 days of this :D

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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #963 on: May 17, 2019, 05:03:09 PM »
Everyone's talking about how we can win the game, which I think is obvious but here's how we can lose.

Sorry, but I stopped reading at this point.

I'm not interested in how we can lose.  We're not going to lose.  Anybody who is expressing concerns about us losing, taking Spurs for granted, cautioning us against being over confident etc etc, is simply hedging their bets against the pain of us falling short again. 

I can understand that we want to mentally and emotionally brace ourselves for a defeat, but we can respect Spurs and counsel caution and still believe we will have too much for them.

We are not losing this game. 

There.  I said it.

We're just not.

Spurs are going into that stadium and finding out that Anfield is portable.  They got through their last four CL games on adrenaline.  They will have had 3 weeks for that rush to wear off.  We will manage this game to death and we will have too much for them.

I'm not predicting a scoreline, but I am predicting a victory.  There is simply no other outcome for me.
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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #964 on: May 17, 2019, 05:30:30 PM »
You guys remember who were the favourites in the 2012 final? Chelsea really fluked themselves to that trophy, we can not underestimate Spurs, we have to be smart.

Nobody that matters will be underestimating them.


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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #965 on: May 17, 2019, 05:33:42 PM »
Everyone's talking about how we can win the game, which I think is obvious but here's how we can lose.



3. Salah's trying too hard to score the goal of the year, weaving in and out of Spurs defenders, he beats 3 players at once and then tries to curl it round the keeper when Mane is clean through. Chance gone.



Just reminds me of this worldy.

https://youtu.be/J8mNsmOJH1g?t=68


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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #966 on: May 17, 2019, 05:39:41 PM »
Are we there yet?

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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #967 on: May 17, 2019, 08:05:51 PM »
Everyone's talking about how we can win the game, which I think is obvious but here's how we can lose.

Firstly, I'd say 7 times out of 10 we'd win this final. 2 times it'd go to penalties for a lottery. and 1 time Spurs win. Here's factors that could lead to that 1 in 10 possibility by my estimation:

1. We outperform Spurs in the midfield just as we did to Barca at their Camp, but Sadio misses a few sitters just like he did at home to Bayern and Napoli. He lunges at a ball when he could've been clean through to score and fails to hit the target.

2. Firmino is having one of those days where he tries to play like Ronaldinho and touches the ball 4x before trying the easy assist for a goal. This results in some lost chances. Klopp reckons he's not totally up to speed and gets substituted after about 60min.

3. Salah's trying too hard to score the goal of the year, weaving in and out of Spurs defenders, he beats 3 players at once and then tries to curl it round the keeper when Mane is clean through. Chance gone.

4. Spurs don't do much, but when they get a chance Lucas Moura or Eriksen puts it away from the cutback.

1-0

I can't see us losing a highscoring game, but if we spoil all our chances and leave our shooting boots at home, it could be one of those days.

Oh god no! Really? shit.. what we going to do? What if the sky falls down just when Mane is about to score?

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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #968 on: May 17, 2019, 08:16:13 PM »
Oh god no! Really? shit.. what we going to do? What if the sky falls down just when Mane is about to score?

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« Reply #969 on: May 17, 2019, 08:53:27 PM »
Serious question here - When we win No.6 (whether that's at this Final in Madrid or not - and yes, I think it will be  :D) and proudly hold up six fingers to represent that fact, will the inbred Manc c*nts see the gesture as if we are only holding up one hand?
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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #970 on: May 17, 2019, 09:31:40 PM »
Oh god no! Really? shit.. what we going to do? What if the sky falls down just when Mane is about to score?

It is possible the sky will fall down but a few other factors need to occur first and the match would be called off. If the match starts I can assure you that the sky won't fall.
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« Reply #971 on: May 17, 2019, 09:49:57 PM »
I need a truckload of pampers.

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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #972 on: May 17, 2019, 09:57:10 PM »
I need a truckload of pampers.


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« Reply #973 on: May 17, 2019, 10:00:45 PM »
Just load up on chocolate and crisps,you won't be able to shit for a week without help.

Not enough mate, thats only a weeks time, 15 days to go  ;D

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« Reply #974 on: May 17, 2019, 10:39:14 PM »
Prehistoric times? His last cup triumph was against Bayern Munich in the DFB Pokal in 2012, Dortmund beat Bayern 5-2. [He also won the equivelant of the Community Shield in 2013 and 2014]

It would help if you look at the context of the sides he was up against in the finals that he lost, he was only favorites in one of them [against Wolfsburg in his last year at the club]

2013 CL Final lost Bayern 2-1
2014 DFB Pokal lost to Bayern in extra time 2-0
2015 DFB Pokal lost to Wolfsburg 3-1
2016 League Cup , lost to Man City on penalties
2016 Europa League, lost to Sevilla 3-1
2018 CL Final, lost to Real Madrid 3-1

Out of those as I said, he was the underdog with an inferior side 5 out of the 6 occasions. We all know what happened last year in the final and it had fuck all to do with Klopp not being good enough as a manager in said final.

Yes clearly because they've been in numerous finals under Pochettino and have been winning them all.

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Not to mention Sevilla won that Europa League three times in consecutive years under Emery.

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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #975 on: May 18, 2019, 09:19:42 AM »
Boss nights has some competition from Spurs hahaha

https://youtu.be/KhH0Wdez3cI

Typical! In their first European Cup Final and all Spurs Fans can sing about is the Manager of Manchester United...    ::)
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« Reply #976 on: May 18, 2019, 11:25:54 AM »
Jürgen Klopp does not adapt to English Football.  English Football adapts to Jurgan Klopp.

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« Reply #977 on: May 18, 2019, 11:59:41 AM »
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« Reply #978 on: May 18, 2019, 01:32:10 PM »
One final point I'd also make is the way we've won a lot of games this season in 2nd halves.  While this has mainly happened in the league, I think it has instilled a confidence and belief in the side that even if we don't score early then that's ok.  Maybe in the past we've sort of lost our way a bit when we haven't scored the early goal.

Patience has been a key part of our league season for both the players and the fans. There seems to be much less nerves at 0-0 and even when we fall behind, we don't panic. Our back 5 also means we no longer have to score 2 or 3 to win a game, and can manage the game at 1-0 and hit on the counter, or keep it tight at 0-0 and score late on.

The only problem is that in Europe we haven't always followed this pattern, but then cup competitions are rarely predictable which is why we need to keep this more like a premier league game and just do what we do best.
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« Reply #979 on: May 18, 2019, 01:48:49 PM »
Read each side can pick from 12 subs for this?
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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #980 on: May 18, 2019, 02:09:51 PM »
Every so often I mutter to myself that we're the big big favourite in a European Cup Final...

It just doesnt feel right, in a good way.

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« Reply #982 on: May 18, 2019, 02:14:16 PM »
Everyone's talking about how we can win the game, which I think is obvious but here's how we can lose.

Firstly, I'd say 7 times out of 10 we'd win this final. 2 times it'd go to penalties for a lottery. and 1 time Spurs win. Here's factors that could lead to that 1 in 10 possibility by my estimation:

1. We outperform Spurs in the midfield just as we did to Barca at their Camp, but Sadio misses a few sitters just like he did at home to Bayern and Napoli. He lunges at a ball when he could've been clean through to score and fails to hit the target.

2. Firmino is having one of those days where he tries to play like Ronaldinho and touches the ball 4x before trying the easy assist for a goal. This results in some lost chances. Klopp reckons he's not totally up to speed and gets substituted after about 60min.

3. Salah's trying too hard to score the goal of the year, weaving in and out of Spurs defenders, he beats 3 players at once and then tries to curl it round the keeper when Mane is clean through. Chance gone.

4. Spurs don't do much, but when they get a chance Lucas Moura or Eriksen puts it away from the cutback.

1-0

I can't see us losing a highscoring game, but if we spoil all our chances and leave our shooting boots at home, it could be one of those days.


Ooh can I have a go?

Allison tries one of his dribbles and gets caught by Lucas Moura.

Fabinho puts a square pass on to Son's toe on the penalty spot.

Robbo slips and this time Eriksen pounces and releases Kane in on goal.

Van Dijk is finally beaten in a dribble and it's fatal.

We score an own goal. We're due one.

The more I think of it, especially when we add in your doomsday scenarios, the more I believe we have no chance at all.

 
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« Reply #983 on: May 18, 2019, 02:20:19 PM »
Matip was fucking shite on that Moura or Eriksen winner, the praise clearly got to his head
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« Reply #984 on: May 18, 2019, 03:15:51 PM »
Read each side can pick from 12 subs for this?

Yeah.

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« Reply #985 on: May 18, 2019, 03:19:41 PM »
Ooh can I have a go?

Allison tries one of his dribbles and gets caught by Lucas Moura.

Fabinho puts a square pass on to Son's toe on the penalty spot.

Robbo slips and this time Eriksen pounces and releases Kane in on goal.

Van Dijk is finally beaten in a dribble and it's fatal.

We score an own goal. We're due one.

The more I think of it, especially when we add in your doomsday scenarios, the more I believe we have no chance at all.

 

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« Reply #986 on: May 18, 2019, 03:39:27 PM »
Everyone's talking about how we can win the game, which I think is obvious but here's how we can lose.

Firstly, I'd say 7 times out of 10 we'd win this final. 2 times it'd go to penalties for a lottery. and 1 time Spurs win. Here's factors that could lead to that 1 in 10 possibility by my estimation:

1. We outperform Spurs in the midfield just as we did to Barca at their Camp, but Sadio misses a few sitters just like he did at home to Bayern and Napoli. He lunges at a ball when he could've been clean through to score and fails to hit the target.

2. Firmino is having one of those days where he tries to play like Ronaldinho and touches the ball 4x before trying the easy assist for a goal. This results in some lost chances. Klopp reckons he's not totally up to speed and gets substituted after about 60min.

3. Salah's trying too hard to score the goal of the year, weaving in and out of Spurs defenders, he beats 3 players at once and then tries to curl it round the keeper when Mane is clean through. Chance gone.

4. Spurs don't do much, but when they get a chance Lucas Moura or Eriksen puts it away from the cutback.

1-0


I can't see us losing a highscoring game, but if we spoil all our chances and leave our shooting boots at home, it could be one of those days.

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« Reply #987 on: May 18, 2019, 03:40:47 PM »
Damn that Mane's good!

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« Reply #988 on: May 18, 2019, 03:42:14 PM »
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« Reply #989 on: May 18, 2019, 03:45:20 PM »
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« Reply #990 on: May 18, 2019, 03:48:18 PM »

The more I think of it, especially when we add in your doomsday scenarios, the more I believe we have no chance at all.

 

Actually, the scenarios I listed have occurred many times this season, and I say it again, many times. It's just that we still managed to win despite them in nearly all our games, enough times to get an amazing 97 points. While in the Barca game we got bitten hard away, but had the 2nd leg to turn it around. But, this is one game. No second shot. And, we didn't win all 38 games of the season obviously. We are not guaranteed to win every game obviously. Now, all this might sound like I'm talking about the apocalypse, but if one opens their eyes clearly they can read clearly that in my estimation it could happen 1 in 10 times. If you think a 10% chance of these bad scenarios piling together is not optimistic then... i don't know, then most of you are trying to not to think of that 10%. I actually think many are afraid and they imagine Spurs chances as more than 10%. That's why I'm here to prescibe 10% as a remedy. Otherwise, I will be here, going through how I calculated the 10%, I have a mathematician with me and I also have a psychic and a whole team of psychologists, so I will be determined to prove every sentence I wrote.
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« Reply #991 on: May 18, 2019, 04:17:43 PM »
Actually, the scenarios I listed have occurred many times this season, and I say it again, many times. It's just that we still managed to win despite them in nearly all our games, enough times to get an amazing 97 points. While in the Barca game we got bitten hard away, but had the 2nd leg to turn it around. But, this is one game. No second shot. And, we didn't win all 38 games of the season obviously. We are not guaranteed to win every game obviously. Now, all this might sound like I'm talking about the apocalypse, but if one opens their eyes clearly they can read clearly that in my estimation it could happen 1 in 10 times. If you think a 10% chance of these bad scenarios piling together is not optimistic then... i don't know, then most of you are trying to not to think of that 10%. I actually think many are afraid and they imagine Spurs chances as more than 10%. That's why I'm here to prescibe 10% as a remedy. Otherwise, I will be here, going through how I calculated the 10%, I have a mathematician with me and I also have a psychic and a whole team of psychologists, so I will be determined to prove every sentence I wrote.

Seriously mate, no one doubts that catastrophe might happen. In private we've probably all had such thoughts, however fleeting, however irrational.

It's the fact that you declare them and are now "determined to prove every sentence I wrote." Don't bother.

This is how bad morale starts in any group - whether it's a football club or an army. A number of individuals start expressing black thoughts and sooner or later everyone is infected.

The fact is your doomsday scenarios are extremely unlikely. Liverpool are not perfect but they are one of the most perfect football teams ever assembled. That's what should be on your mind - and your tongue.

In Madrid we will play to our potential and Tottenham will be defeated. They may even be blown away. We are good enough to see them off and we are good enough to recover from whatever mistakes we might make.

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« Reply #992 on: May 18, 2019, 04:23:51 PM »
I thought he was taking the piss Yorky

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« Reply #993 on: May 18, 2019, 05:53:44 PM »

The fact is your doomsday scenarios are extremely unlikely.
Believe. It's stupid and difficult not to.

So, when I say the possibilities of such bad occurrences are 10% likely, I get posts like these which teach me that my calculation is a sky falling statistic... So, either we need to discuss that my number of 10% should be decreased to 2% or 7.4%, or maybe everyone will be happier if I say 0.01%. But if you tell me it should be 0% then we have a problem, and I tell you again, I will not leave.
It just shows me that some people are getting very touchy and that is why I have called the psychologist, to make sure that my 10% isn't seriously challenged, which you might have noticed... the psychologist has been here for a number of months and I've been helping those three out of the 771 million Liverpool fans worldwide with their serious mental recoveries from football games and deep analysis of media and fan bias.

And yes, I know, I've been told before that 'this is exactly how Nazi Germany started'. What can I do but apologize for my methods, but now that Jurgen is with us... I might have a little more understanding from you people.

And, listen, there are 2 weeks to go to that final. The psychologist is here for anyone who needs written sentences before the game starts.

 

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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #994 on: May 18, 2019, 05:56:46 PM »
So, when I say the possibilities of such bad occurrences are 10% likely, I get posts like these which teach me that my calculation is a sky falling statistic... So, either we need to discuss that my number of 10% should be decreased to 2% or 7.4%, or maybe everyone will be happier if I say 0.01%. But if you tell me it should be 0% then we have a problem, and I tell you again, I will not leave.
It just shows me that some people are getting very touchy and that is why I have called the psychologist, to make sure that my 10% isn't seriously challenged, which you might have noticed... the psychologist has been here for a number of months and I've been helping those three out of the 771 million Liverpool fans worldwide with their serious mental recoveries from football games and deep analysis of media and fan bias.

And yes, I know, I've been told before that 'this is exactly how Nazi Germany started'. What can I do but apologize for my methods, but now that Jurgen is with us... I might have a little more understanding from you people.

And, listen, there are 2 weeks to go to that final. The psychologist is here for anyone who needs written sentences before the game starts.


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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #995 on: May 18, 2019, 06:02:21 PM »
Otherwise, I will be here, going through how I calculated the 10%, I have a mathematician with me and I also have a psychic and a whole team of psychologists, so I will be determined to prove every sentence I wrote.

If you have a psychic, then why do you need everyone else to help calculate the probability?


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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #996 on: May 18, 2019, 06:15:27 PM »

Does he do sick notes to order ?

Pm your RAWK posts history link and he will email you his Paypal details. All Champions League final orders will be forwarded to Dr Hunter Percy in our San Francisco unit. Thank you.

If you have a psychic, then why do you need everyone else to help calculate the probability?


I knew somebody is going to ask this. The psychic is there for those who believe in psychics. The psychologists are for those who believe in psychologists.
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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #997 on: May 18, 2019, 06:20:40 PM »
:lmao

Wtf is going on in here?
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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #998 on: May 18, 2019, 06:22:47 PM »
:lmao

Wtf is going on in here?


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Re: European Cup Final 1/6/19. LFC v THFC
« Reply #999 on: May 18, 2019, 06:23:07 PM »
You're playing semantics.  Half a yard to the other side, or on another day, that goal might have stood.  And we'd still be hearing about gutsy, "never give up" City going all out till the final whistle.

They didn't stop fighting.  If anything it was Spurs who were gassed by the end of that game, which is what let City in at the death - regardless of whether the goal was chalked off or not.

It wasn't played on a another day, it was a big game and it was a do or die situation. They failed. They barely created a chance in the final 25 minutes barring that offside goal.

That half a yard here or there can be the difference between a defender getting there or not. They didn't stop fighting but they ran out of steam and were very sloppy.

Teams have had legitimate goals ruled out for offside so City definitely deserved to have theirs ruled out as well. Teams won't be getting away with shit like that anymore and everyone knew that now VAR has come in.
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