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"Everton wives" needs binning off

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How many rounds of consultation did Arsenal and Spurs go through before they built their state of the art stadia?

Dunno, but in the time it's taken Everton to run multiple consultations Spurs seem to have designed, built and moved into a new stadium!  And Arsenal have built and paid for a stadium in the time since Everton first started thinking about a move. ;D
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Saw a tweet from The Esk who was saying that if they don't sell a player or two then this years financials will look horrible, shortly after that the club announced that they've extended their accounting period to end June to tie in with players contract ends. So they've got a couple of weeks to shift someone or the numbers will be terrible. This years numbers will have no Europe, wages, amortisation and one offs will be too, so irrespective of player sales, the numbers won't look good.

You nailed it before when you basically said that a lot of them just want someone else to pick up the tab for players and infrastructure which is why "Uncle Uzzy" is always referenced. Self sustaining club? Naaahh, too much effort, lets just have it handed to us coz we deserve it. Cliche, I know but they've got champagne tastes on a beer budget.
The way they are going, even the 'beer' is going to become too expensive for them soon. They'll be on the meths before long.

Regards selling a player or two to make the figures look decent, who have they actually got that would bring in the kind of numbers required?
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"Everton wives" needs binning off
It does. I know it's meant tongue in cheek, but it's not a good subject to extract a joke out of. I think we are better than that.
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Saw a tweet from The Esk who was saying that if they don't sell a player or two then this years financials will look horrible, shortly after that the club announced that they've extended their accounting period to end June to tie in with players contract ends. So they've got a couple of weeks to shift someone or the numbers will be terrible. This years numbers will have no Europe, wages, amortisation and one offs will be too, so irrespective of player sales, the numbers won't look good.

You nailed it before when you basically said that a lot of them just want someone else to pick up the tab for players and infrastructure which is why "Uncle Uzzy" is always referenced. Self sustaining club? Naaahh, too much effort, lets just have it handed to us coz we deserve it. Cliche, I know but they've got champagne tastes on a beer budget.

Even City already had a stadium.  The only reason the Sheikh wants to expand it is so he can "sell" a few more million quid seats into the club's coffers. :lmao

When you look at Arsenal and Spurs, new stadiums aren't the answer to everything, and Chelsea's new stadium seems to have been put on indefinite hold.  Even with United's money, OT is slowly decaying.

In their defence they do NEED to do something, stadium wise; but you have the lack of resources on one hand and a demented fanbase on the other, who wont accept anything less than 50k.  Redevelop where they are and capacity will likely sink to 35k - and it will likely take 15 years.  (Irony check - if they'd made that commitment 15 years ago instead of pissing about with all these fantasy builds, Goodison would probably be fine by now.)

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Has Moshi La even put a penny of his own money into their club?  Most of their transfers came from selling the last of their decent players, like Lukaku; but they wasted that money.  Then they have the Chinese loan(s).

From Moshiri's standpoint, a new stadium is probably the only realistic way to boost the value of his asset, but that would cost so much it's unlikely to ever be cost effective. 

Sidebar: If they ever won something, I would expect a fair few reds for the parade to show solidarity.  They're probably worried more reds than blues might turn up. ;D

You need to remember they gambled on getting a free one, like City, through the commonwealth games.

That decision was a major blow to them. A multi-million pound blow.
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Absolutely - can't understand why people find it funny, or indeed acceptable.

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You need to remember they gambled on getting a free one, like City, through the commonwealth games.

That decision was a major blow to them. A multi-million pound blow.

Surely that was always a long shot at best though?

Kenwright and Moores are both cut from the same cloth over this sort of thing.  Both too timid to undertake the risk themselves, so put it off and off and off and then sold to somebody else they hoped would take the risk for them.  For very different reasons, though, it didn't work out for either club.  The end result is the same - at least until we got FSG.

Moshi may as well plant this outside the club, like so many other dilapidated structures in the city.

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Surely that was always a long shot at best though?

Kenwright and Moores are both cut from the same cloth over this sort of thing.  Both too timid to undertake the risk themselves, so put it off and off and off and then sold to somebody else they hoped would take the risk for them.  For very different reasons, though, it didn't work out for either club.  The end result is the same - at least until we got FSG.

Moshi may as well plant this outside the club, like so many other dilapidated structures in the city.



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Dunno, but in the time it's taken Everton to run multiple consultations Spurs seem to have designed, built and moved into a new stadium!  And Arsenal have built and paid for a stadium in the time since Everton first started thinking about a move. ;D

Spurs even had time to plan, build and stock their world class cheese cave.

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Spurs even had time to plan, build and stock their world class cheese cave.
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Surely that was always a long shot at best though?


I remember when it was being mooted, chippy tits was confident that this city would yet again be the centre of attention and you could see when they lost it was a matter of some disbelief that they were not chosen.

Yes it was a long shot but it was a 50/50 decision with a £400m pay off and I don't think they believed they could be beaten by Birmingham. It was what kicked started City, all that money saved went into players.
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Even City already had a stadium.  The only reason the Sheikh wants to expand it is so he can "sell" a few more million quid seats into the club's coffers. :lmao

When you look at Arsenal and Spurs, new stadiums aren't the answer to everything, and Chelsea's new stadium seems to have been put on indefinite hold.  Even with United's money, OT is slowly decaying.

In their defence they do NEED to do something, stadium wise; but you have the lack of resources on one hand and a demented fanbase on the other, who wont accept anything less than 50k.  Redevelop where they are and capacity will likely sink to 35k - and it will likely take 15 years. (Irony check - if they'd made that commitment 15 years ago instead of pissing about with all these fantasy builds, Goodison would probably be fine by now.)

The people at the top refuse to make the hard choices.


I think that's a fair point but, as you said, their delusional fanbase doesn't help matters at all. The facts are that they simply do not need some kind of mega ground. They just don't have the support to fill it regularly. Instead of endlessly being obsessed with trying to outdo us, they really should have gradually done something with Goodison years ago. By now they'd have something more suited to their needs. Problem is, their fans just don't do sensible. They don't want what they need. They simply want to outdo Liverpool. Anything other than ridiculously outlandish concepts and their fans are up in arms and whingeing. Their board are almost compelled to go along with the madness, and rather than doing what's actually best for them given their resources, they have to go all out Fantasy Island instead, but that sets them up to fail every time.

It's absolute madness the way they have just sat on their hands and expected things to fall into place for them. They stupidly mock us for building the new Main Stand, but this is real progress. It's planned, built and filled in the same time period where Everton have been asleep on the job and simply dreaming of better things rather than doing better things. We have bricks, mortar and filled seats. All they have is consultations and pie in the sky delusions as their actual ground disintegrates around them. They want it all (who doesn't) but they don't actually want to pay for it. Look at how they were so desperate for a shared ground with us. It was embarrassing how Bitters in the council tried to railroad us into that. They were a club in stagnation who wanted (needed?) to cling onto our coat-tails and elevate their status through us.

They had outlandish plans for Kings Dock, yet that fell through because they couldn't raise £30m. All big ideas without the substance to back it up. Now we have BMD, and they wanted a freebie stadium on the back of the Commonwealth Games. The games didn't come, so out came the begging bowl once more. I get it. In life we all dream of having/doing things we maybe can't really have or do. It's human to want bigger, better, faster, more, but at some point we have to be realistic and work with what we have and what we really need. Sadly for them, I just don't think Everton have learned that life lesson, despite experience continually pointing it out to them.

Maybe their people at the top are too afraid of their lunatic fringe, so don't feel able or willing to go for the sensible option. I mean they've seen the moronic antics out of them over a manager having red on his Christmas tree, so how would they react if their board were to make those tough decisions and actually do what is needed rather than play up to the loons with outrageous 'plans' they can never execute? Imagine the outrage if their board actually came up with sensible plans for something in a sensible location, with a sensible capacity that comes in at a reasonable cost that they can afford. The fume over County Road would significantly add to global warming, no doubt. While all this madness is allowed to continue, all they will do is talk and 'consult', and nothing will actually get built.

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Nah. Wool shout.

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"Everton wives" needs binning off
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Nah. Wool shout.
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Everton linked with Everton from Gremio. So, however this transfer turns out, Everton wins?

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Everton linked with Everton from Gremio. So, however this transfer turns out, Everton wins?
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I watch a lot of South American football and I would be stunned if he went there, much bigger talent than to go to them, actually would fit our style quite well and would be hilarious to have Everton scoring for Liverpool 😅 scores a good’un for Brazil tonight too

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https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/todays-football-2018-19-season.104251/page-2121

From just after the Barca first leg

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Just before Gini’s first goal against Barca. Hahaha. Matty’s Meltdown is glorious.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/todays-football-2018-19-season.104251/page-2323

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Just before Gini’s first goal against Barca. Hahaha. Matty’s Meltdown is glorious.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/todays-football-2018-19-season.104251/page-2323


That matty1878's meltdown is a thing of glory. ;D


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Just before Gini’s first goal against Barca. Hahaha. Matty’s Meltdown is glorious.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/todays-football-2018-19-season.104251/page-2323

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I remember when it was being mooted, chippy tits was confident that this city would yet again be the centre of attention and you could see when they lost it was a matter of some disbelief that they were not chosen.

Yes it was a long shot but it was a 50/50 decision with a £400m pay off and I don't think they believed they could be beaten by Birmingham. It was what kicked started City, all that money saved went into players.

That Everton lot are too used to being chosen, that's what it is! ;D

From what you say it seems to be that it was clearly a long shot to everybody who isn't an Everton fan, which probably explains why Anderson was so shocked. 

But I disagree on City's stadium "kickstarting" them.  They moved into the Emptyhad in 2003, long before the Sheik or even Thaksin in 2007.  City were still muddling through with the likes of McManaman and Fowler around that period.  I agree it made them a more attractive club to purchase in  the long run though.
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I think that's a fair point but, as you said, their delusional fanbase doesn't help matters at all. The facts are that they simply do not need some kind of mega ground. They just don't have the support to fill it regularly. Instead of endlessly being obsessed with trying to outdo us, they really should have gradually done something with Goodison years ago. By now they'd have something more suited to their needs. Problem is, their fans just don't do sensible. They don't want what they need. They simply want to outdo Liverpool. Anything other than ridiculously outlandish concepts and their fans are up in arms and whingeing. Their board are almost compelled to go along with the madness, and rather than doing what's actually best for them given their resources, they have to go all out Fantasy Island instead, but that sets them up to fail every time.

It's absolute madness the way they have just sat on their hands and expected things to fall into place for them. They stupidly mock us for building the new Main Stand, but this is real progress. It's planned, built and filled in the same time period where Everton have been asleep on the job and simply dreaming of better things rather than doing better things. We have bricks, mortar and filled seats. All they have is consultations and pie in the sky delusions as their actual ground disintegrates around them. They want it all (who doesn't) but they don't actually want to pay for it. Look at how they were so desperate for a shared ground with us. It was embarrassing how Bitters in the council tried to railroad us into that. They were a club in stagnation who wanted (needed?) to cling onto our coat-tails and elevate their status through us.

They had outlandish plans for Kings Dock, yet that fell through because they couldn't raise £30m. All big ideas without the substance to back it up. Now we have BMD, and they wanted a freebie stadium on the back of the Commonwealth Games. The games didn't come, so out came the begging bowl once more. I get it. In life we all dream of having/doing things we maybe can't really have or do. It's human to want bigger, better, faster, more, but at some point we have to be realistic and work with what we have and what we really need. Sadly for them, I just don't think Everton have learned that life lesson, despite experience continually pointing it out to them.

Maybe their people at the top are too afraid of their lunatic fringe, so don't feel able or willing to go for the sensible option. I mean they've seen the moronic antics out of them over a manager having red on his Christmas tree, so how would they react if their board were to make those tough decisions and actually do what is needed rather than play up to the loons with outrageous 'plans' they can never execute? Imagine the outrage if their board actually came up with sensible plans for something in a sensible location, with a sensible capacity that comes in at a reasonable cost that they can afford. The fume over County Road would significantly add to global warming, no doubt. While all this madness is allowed to continue, all they will do is talk and 'consult', and nothing will actually get built.

It's only a matter of time, imo, before Anderson just tries to build them a stadium, as a gift from Liverpool to the senior club of the city.  He'll probably try to shoe horn in some kind of duel purpose athletics or kids' training facilities, or a "sports quarter"; and he'll look to rent it to Everton and justify it by being sold Goodison to the area can be regenerated (which will be flogged to all his regeneration buddies as it's a far healthier financial prospect).

I do feel for them in this sole regard: if you're looking to grow your brand, even if you have to resort to piggybacking it on the back of the city you're from, but who's name you despise to the point you cannot utter it, then yeah, 35k is too small.  So redeveloping Goodison to a lower capacity doesn't make much sense. 

But that doesn't mean BMD makes more sense.  How long ago since this site was announced?  A full year?  Longer?  Feels like it at least.  And what's been done?  Nowt, zip.  It's just embarrassing how they are fumbling around with these pointless "consultations", which are clearly just a stalling tactic as they desperate try to drum up finance.   No wonder we're all laughing at them.
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But that doesn't mean BMD makes more sense.  How long ago since this site was announced?  A full year?  Longer?  Feels like it at least.  And what's been done?  Nowt, zip.  It's just embarrassing how they are fumbling around with these pointless "consultations", which are clearly just a stalling tactic as they desperate try to drum up finance.   No wonder we're all laughing at them.

2016 I think? Around the time we played Sevilla?

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I do feel for them in this sole regard: if you're looking to grow your brand, even if you have to resort to piggybacking it on the back of the city you're from, but who's name you despise to the point you cannot utter it, then yeah, 35k is too small.  So redeveloping Goodison to a lower capacity doesn't make much sense. 

But that doesn't mean BMD makes more sense.  How long ago since this site was announced?  A full year?  Longer?  Feels like it at least.  And what's been done?  Nowt, zip.  It's just embarrassing how they are fumbling around with these pointless "consultations", which are clearly just a stalling tactic as they desperate try to drum up finance.   No wonder we're all laughing at them.

Do they actually have significant demand for a larger capacity, looking at the average attendances they do seem to fill it regularly, but then you have stuff like the half-season tickets etc. that seem to indicate that they struggle to get those numbers, are they a club that reports tickets sold over actual attendances?

Out of all of their potential new sites, this latest one at BMD seems like a really poor option and you have to wonder if they are just thinking in terms of how it will look in the designs over how sensible an option it is, you have a limited area so lack the potential for subsequent expansion and the additional complexities of the area will also push up the building costs too. It seems like it would be far more sensible for them to find another slightly out of town option again, something with room to expand as needed and potentially could even be a location for a new training ground too at some point, put their own stamp on that area which they obviously can't do where they are now due to larger and better neighbours.

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Do they actually have significant demand for a larger capacity, looking at the average attendances they do seem to fill it regularly, but then you have stuff like the half-season tickets etc. that seem to indicate that they struggle to get those numbers, are they a club that reports tickets sold over actual attendances?

Out of all of their potential new sites, this latest one at BMD seems like a really poor option and you have to wonder if they are just thinking in terms of how it will look in the designs over how sensible an option it is, you have a limited area so lack the potential for subsequent expansion and the additional complexities of the area will also push up the building costs too. It seems like it would be far more sensible for them to find another slightly out of town option again, something with room to expand as needed and potentially could even be a location for a new training ground too at some point, put their own stamp on that area which they obviously can't do where they are now due to larger and better neighbours.


The size of the site is fairly big, you could fit Anfield on it no problem so a stadium specifically designed for the site could be bigger, not that they need it mind ;D

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The big problem they have is to get the current attendances they have discounted by quite a lot. You can see this in their match day income which in 17/18 was £16.7m - that was a season with Europa football too.

That season they played 26 home games, so an average of £642,308 per game, or £16.23 per seat per game.

Let’s assume they build a 52k capacity stadium, and let’s assume they sell out completely for all 19 league games and 3 others - that would give a revenue of £18,567,120 a season.

Even if we push that to the 26 games they played in 17/18, at the same average ticket price they current charge you’re still only looking at £21,942,960 a season.

So how exactly does that repay a loan of £500m+? More so, how does it repay a loan & contribute to transfer spend?

It doesn’t.

So what’s the answer? Well if they upped the average price by double, something I can guarantee fans will not be happy with, then you’d be looking at a more respectable stadium income of around £32m ish which would cover a loan repayment with maybe a little left over.

Although that then throws up the big question - at double the prices they currently charge would they also find an additional 13,000 fans to turn up each and every game?

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The size of the site is fairly big, you could fit Anfield on it no problem so a stadium specifically designed for the site could be bigger, not that they need it mind ;D

It does make you wonder why they don't take a one stand at a time approach and stay where they are, even if they kept the capacity roughly the same once they were all updated, it wouldn't be so bad for them if they added some more premium or corporate options to boost the overall income.

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Every summer they do it to themselves don't they, ;D since they last won the league[over 30 years ago]they have finished in the top 4 twice, & finished 4th on both occasions, 87/88 & 04/05.

Bobs only messing mate. He's not being serious there at all. And he's nothing like the deranged lunatics you've probably come to know from coming in here. He's one of the few blues you can have a laugh with on twitter.
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