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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2019, 08:13:38 PM »
Charged for being honest.

Whatever

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2019, 08:30:42 PM »
It was always coming.

The way FA and especially the Referee Association operate is utterly medieval.
Participants in the same bloody sports, men who live and breathe football are not allowed to discuss referees.
Referees aren't being reviewed in public, they don't have to explain themselves to anyone - ever.
If they absolutely shit the bed - worse that could happen is one weekend in Championship and back you go as you were.

Breeding ground for mediocrity - which is exactly what we are getting.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2019, 08:33:08 PM »
Really boils my piss, that referees don't have to justify their actions, but managers are expected to offer their opinions in the heat of the moment, right after a game - and will get roasted by the FA for offering just criticism. 

After all these years you're still not allowed to call a shit ref out for what he is - a shit ref.
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2019, 08:36:08 PM »
Really boils my piss, that referees don't have to justify their actions, but managers are expected to offer their opinions in the heat of the moment, right after a game - and will get roasted by the FA for offering just criticism. 

After all these years you're still not allowed to call a shit ref out for what he is - a shit ref.

Can you not call them or for their incompetence? Which rule would that be breaking?
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2019, 08:36:11 PM »
Really boils my piss, that referees don't have to justify their actions, but managers are expected to offer their opinions in the heat of the moment, right after a game - and will get roasted by the FA for offering just criticism. 

After all these years you're still not allowed to call a shit ref out for what he is - a shit ref.

He was quite restrained as well, I think he has tried really hard to stay in control of himself. Just a really stupid move by the FA who are way over protective of the really bad referees.
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2019, 08:44:16 PM »
If they can have the hearing with the referee in question present, and the video evidence, so Klopp can highlight a certain incident and ask the ref what the fuck was going through his head when he made his decision, I might be a little more comfortable with stuff like this.  As things stand though, it's an open and shut case: bad things said about referee, torch manager immediately.  No question at all over whether what was said has any merit at all.  Criticism of any sort is just plain forbidden.
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 08:50:43 PM »
Any chance he'll get a touchline ban?
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 09:17:32 PM »
Any chance he'll get a touchline ban?

Very very unlikely

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 09:28:46 PM »
If they want managers to speak to the media moments after matches, particularly when the stakes are high, then they should show some leniency when honest opinions are shared. Otherwise, what's the point?

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2019, 10:21:57 PM »
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2019, 10:27:52 PM »
turn the question on the TV interviewer i think:

'oh you want my opinion about an incident?  Of course the FA rules mean that i can't comment on a referee's decision so perhaps you should petition the FA to enable me to speak freely.  Next question..'
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2019, 10:29:01 PM »
Meh

Exactly. Not sure why anybody gives a shit.

Standard procedures all around

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2019, 02:37:30 AM »
What big decisions went against us that day?

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2019, 03:43:04 AM »
What big decisions went against us that day?

Not that many to be honest, if anything we're extremely fortunate to come away with anything as we scored as clear an offside goal as you'll see all season long. I think it was just Klopp reaching his tipping point to be honest as decisions had gone against us in the previous matches, most notably Leicester where we were denied  a stonewall penalty that may have cost us two points.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2019, 03:48:57 AM »
If they can have the hearing with the referee in question present, and the video evidence, so Klopp can highlight a certain incident and ask the ref what the fuck was going through his head when he made his decision, I might be a little more comfortable with stuff like this.  As things stand though, it's an open and shut case: bad things said about referee, torch manager immediately.  No question at all over whether what was said has any merit at all.  Criticism of any sort is just plain forbidden.

In my view, this is broadly would should happen a couple of days after the game as a matter of course. With a neutral  performance manager overseeing the meeting, the club managers and the referee team get together (or separate meetings for each club) and analyse with video what went right and what went wrong. The referee is then allocated a grade and performance managed if necessary.

Then all the manager needs to do for the press straight after the game is say "I'll be discussing that in camera in the next couple of days." Moreover, I think respect for referees would increase.

I'm also sure you would see a rapid improvement in decision making.
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2019, 04:44:06 AM »
In my view, this is broadly would should happen a couple of days after the game as a matter of course. With a neutral  performance manager overseeing the meeting, the club managers and the referee team get together (or separate meetings for each club) and analyse with video what went right and what went wrong. The referee is then allocated a grade and performance managed if necessary.

Then all the manager needs to do for the press straight after the game is say "I'll be discussing that in camera in the next couple of days." Moreover, I think respect for referees would increase.

I'm also sure you would see a rapid improvement in decision making.

Referees do analyse their own matches within the 'select group' of referees to review and improve performance. 

I don't really see what the benefit of having a manager present would do to improve that process?  They will know themselves from reviewing the match tape the errors they made and I'd imagine most managers wouldn't even care to show up because it's not like they're changing the outcome of a game.

It's quite logical why the league has a zero tolerance policy on criticising referees.  Much easier to monitor manager/player comments for zero criticism than to try to pick through what is slight, moderate to overt criticism. 



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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2019, 05:46:38 AM »
All those provocative questions managers are expected to answer about controversial decisions should be aimed at the refs.
They should interview the ref after every game.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2019, 06:32:50 AM »
Can you not call them or for their incompetence? Which rule would that be breaking?
Yes, you absolutely can. What you can't do is insinuate bias which, to be fair, Klopp clearly has done, albeit not in a malicious way.
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Yeah, I can't imagine it'll go that far, that would be very harsh. Probably a fine.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2019, 06:37:22 AM »
It's quite logical why the league has a zero tolerance policy on criticising referees. 
They don't. You're allowed to say the ref had a bad game, what you're not allowed to do is suggest that he favoured or favours one team over the other. It's suggesting bias that's the problem, not calling out shit decisions/performance which is a reasonable rule, I think. Just a shame that everything else about how referees are picked, trained and reviewed is opaque and, frankly, dubious as fuck.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2019, 07:06:16 AM »
The refereeing in the EPL is at an all time low. The sheer amount of wtf decisions and inconsistency means teams don't know where they stand.
 They aren't screening refs with manc backgrounds from reffing our games, but that aside - overall, I've watched quite a few other teams games this season and can't remember a time with such crappy refs and there is no culpibility whatsoever.
 
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2019, 07:41:07 AM »
Not that many to be honest, if anything we're extremely fortunate to come away with anything as we scored as clear an offside goal as you'll see all season long. I think it was just Klopp reaching his tipping point to be honest as decisions had gone against us in the previous matches, most notably Leicester where we were denied  a stonewall penalty that may have cost us two points.

You see that is what I thought but figured I would be remembering wrong. We benefited from the worst offside decisions of the season and should have won with another offside goal

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2019, 07:47:02 AM »
To me its less about actual decisions but the way a game gets refereed now. The ref obviously made a mistake with the goal but it felt like afterwards that nothing would actually go our way. It often happens when ref's realise they make a mistake, it feels as if they will ignore genuine fouls afterwards, as if trying to make up for the initial mistake. Making a mistake is natural not all decisions are easy to see such as the first goal last Saturday. But with some refs you just get the feeling they try and go the other way afterwards, as if they can't deal with the pressure of the first mistake.
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2019, 08:06:51 AM »
What big decisions went against us that day?

Not many big decisions, but plenty of little ones that potentially could've led to something.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2019, 08:06:53 AM »
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2019, 08:50:23 AM »
You're allowed to say the ref had a bad game, what you're not allowed to do is suggest that he favoured or favours one team over the other.

If I am the manager of a team that lost because of a questionable penalty or dubious free kick, and I come out and said that the referee probably had a bad game, the FA will surely view it as saying that the referee had a bias.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2019, 08:55:33 AM »
Could have chosen any number of matches to have a go at officials really....standard procedure in terms of punishment tho so not fussed about it to be honest

The growing masses trying to claim we have some sort of bias or get away with everything will look past this tho. Because we had an offside goal in that game.
Was funny for example when I saw a tweet on Dwight Gayle being penalised for diving.....soooooo many comments from all fans about Salah doing it all season etc.  ;D

Son who has been booked for diving is a media darling however.

Its all a bit weird. And of course we cant challenge anything being thrown at us otherwise its some kind of "victim" behaviour...so snookered really. But then again.....we dont have to give a shit so fuck em, carry on being outraged you pathetic twats

As for the refs, any kind of influence on their future officiating this all has is where I get annoyed. Because they do get influenced and it does effect us. We just need to ride out this current wave and let our football do the talking so that it doesn't matter as much
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2019, 09:11:09 AM »
I say forget it, stop talking about it, dry your eyes and move on. He'll take the fine and it won't get a second more's thought for Klopp I'm sure.
At the end of the day rightly or wrongly you can't say that about a ref, its the rules whether we like it or not.
Its a non story, no one has it in for us, we have more important things to concentrate on

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2019, 09:11:31 AM »
The refereeing in the EPL is at an all time low. The sheer amount of wtf decisions and inconsistency means teams don't know where they stand.
 They aren't screening refs with manc backgrounds from reffing our games, but that aside - overall, I've watched quite a few other teams games this season and can't remember a time with such crappy refs and there is no culpibility whatsoever.
 
If we can get a manc referee even in a game against a manc team why don't we ever get referees from Liverpool ref our games or manc games? Or do we?

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2019, 09:16:10 AM »
Absolutely worth the fine if it means we don't get Friend again this season. Consistently been one of the poorest referees in the league for close to a decade now. Never gives us a sniff of a decision in games.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2019, 09:50:44 AM »
FA and the referees are incompetent as fuck.

Fuck them all.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2019, 10:15:10 AM »
Was a weird game to go off about. Atkinson and his mates put in one of the most scandalous officiating displays I've seen in a decade or so in the previous match and he barely said anything. Perhaps dropping points at West Ham straight after and the frustration come out but he went for the wrong guy for me, not that Friend is any good.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2019, 10:31:09 AM »
This idea that refs are biased against us or somehow want us to lose the league, I'm not buying it at all. Every single team in the league believe that ref's are against them because only the bad decisions get highlighted. 
They might be poor ref's out there, there may be a lot of mistakes, whether or not VAR is the answer is another debate, but theres no conspiracy. I don't think they sit round in a dark room agreeing to f**k us over.
I don't live in Liverpool so unfortunately I have to interact with lots of fans from different teams, but Utd fans say refs hate them, so do City fans, Chelsea fans,  Arsenal fans and the 2 strange looking fuckers with the missing teeth, they're Everton fans
It's rubbish, in my opinion only like.  People believe that is the case, fair enough, not for me

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2019, 10:33:12 AM »
Not many big decisions, but plenty of little ones that potentially could've led to something.

Are we saying that Ogbonna's handball when blocking Lallana's (I think) cross wasn't a pen in that game? He wasnt that close to the ball, and although his hand was from behind, clearly it wasnt tucked to his back.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2019, 11:18:01 AM »
A joke, but it was always going to happen because PGMOL and by extension the FA are utterly incapable of taking any criticism on board when it comes to refereeing decisions or performances. They are even less inclined to explain anything they or their referees do (or don't do).

Look at Atkinson - he was absolutely dreadful in our match vs Leicester, then a few days later he's refereeing City v Arsenal, arguably the "biggest" game of the round from a neutral perspective, like nothing happened. Then he puts in a crap performance in that match as well, and again nothing is said or done.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2019, 11:34:28 AM »
Absolutely worth the fine if it means we don't get Friend again this season. Consistently been one of the poorest referees in the league for close to a decade now. Never gives us a sniff of a decision in games.

Absolutely - my heart sinks when I see that he is the ref in any of our games.

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
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Unacceptable. Get rid of him
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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2019, 12:08:20 PM »
Unacceptable. Get rid of him

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Re: Klopp charged by FA for comments about ref in WHU match
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