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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1240 on: January 13, 2019, 11:01:11 PM »
Are you trolling?  ;D

I'm afraid I can't answer that on the grounds that I may incriminate myself m'lud.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1241 on: January 13, 2019, 11:05:54 PM »
You know its a quiet transfer window for us when people resort to talking about Hazard and Son. Comparing Chelsea and Spurs to Arsenal when it comes to selling to rivals is a funny one, Wenger was always happy to allow players to go to rivals and helped out Man U numerous times like a fool

As for Anderson, they would likely want over 60 million for him.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1242 on: January 13, 2019, 11:06:56 PM »
The difference is with van Dijk and Alisson we paid big fees for world class players but they weren't disproportionately large fees. With Son we'd have to pay what he's worth plus a hefty "rival fee" on top. There's top talent in other leagues that would suit us well, and I wouldn't be totally surprised if we brought in someone young who isn't as well known rather than an established player.

You may well be right about there being top talent in other leagues that would suit us, but I don't know about them. My football knowledge is limited to watching occasional matches on TV, bit like Alan Shearer and Danny Murphy.

I still think Son is worth going for in the summer. With him there would be minimal drop in quality if we wanted to rest Mane.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1243 on: January 13, 2019, 11:11:45 PM »
We arenít signing Hazard.


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I disagree.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1244 on: January 14, 2019, 12:03:54 AM »
Ideally I think you get a versatile, hard working, and proven  wide forward who could start on the left or right in the 4231 (just as examples, Anderson or Brandt) and then a cheaper player to replace Sturridge/Origi, both of which really need to be moved on. Iíll give you that we donít really like to sign players older than about 20 who havenít already proven themselves in a top league, so fair enough, but itís going to be very, very tough to find a striker with upside,  fits with our style, and is reasonably priced. (In fairness I suppose you could just play someone like Anderson at striker if Salah and Firmino were both out.)

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1245 on: January 14, 2019, 04:44:46 AM »
You may well be right about there being top talent in other leagues that would suit us, but I don't know about them. My football knowledge is limited to watching occasional matches on TV, bit like Alan Shearer and Danny Murphy.

I still think Son is worth going for in the summer. With him there would be minimal drop in quality if we wanted to rest Mane.

Levy would literally ask for about 150m for him. He's perfect for us but thus far we haven't ever splashed out crazy money for an attacker. The biggest bucks we've paid have been on a GK and CB, and I'm fairly sure that's in part because they're relatively a lot cheaper than attackers. Can you imagine how much VVD would have set us back if he was a forward?

With that said, I didn't think we would pay a world record fee for VVD either, so stranger things have happened. It's a shame United seems to have got it together, because I think Martial would have been another really good option for us, and we could have picked him up for maybe 'only' around 80-90m, inclusive of the 'rivals fee'.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1246 on: January 14, 2019, 04:56:19 AM »
Isco. We need someone to take on the mantle of being a handsome bastard after Emre Can left.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1247 on: January 14, 2019, 05:23:35 AM »
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1248 on: January 14, 2019, 05:29:37 AM »
Felipe Anderson would immediately (or maybe after a bedding in period) slot into the first XI in a 4231, so no need to argue about whether we can have an expensive attacker as depth. Werner or another versatile striker, on the other hand, wouldnít, which is why I have a hard time imagining we would spend big money on a player like that. The big difference is that Anderson does a ton of defensive work, so we could have 4 attackers on the pitch without really giving up anything defensively.

Maybe the 4231 would be more natural but when you look at his defensive stats/actions he seems made for a #8 in our system.  Granted he's good at everything so in a way I don't think it would much matter as long as he's on the field. 

Anderson was a risk for West Ham though.  People might forget when he went to Napoli he ballooned up like a whale for a while as he couldn't stop himself from eating the food and then he had some injury issues as well.  When he was in shape and played he put up numbers but it wasn't always consistent.  Though for us I think the one concern is adding another player in the same age bracket as the majority of the squad. 

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1249 on: January 14, 2019, 06:17:31 AM »
Isco. We need someone to take on the mantle of being a handsome bastard after Emre Can left.
Alisson's far better looking.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1250 on: January 14, 2019, 06:44:37 AM »
I disagree.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1251 on: January 14, 2019, 07:23:51 AM »
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1253 on: January 14, 2019, 09:14:50 AM »
Isco. We need someone to take on the mantle of being a handsome bastard after Emre Can left.

I agree, I think Neves would fit that bill after watching him against us last week. We're unlikely to sign anyone this window but we can still dream.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1254 on: January 14, 2019, 10:45:29 AM »
Alisson's far better looking.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1255 on: January 14, 2019, 11:05:22 AM »
Ideally I think you get a versatile, hard working, and proven  wide forward who could start on the left or right in the 4231 (just as examples, Anderson or Brandt) and then a cheaper player to replace Sturridge/Origi, both of which really need to be moved on. Iíll give you that we donít really like to sign players older than about 20 who havenít already proven themselves in a top league, so fair enough, but itís going to be very, very tough to find a striker with upside,  fits with our style, and is reasonably priced. (In fairness I suppose you could just play someone like Anderson at striker if Salah and Firmino were both out.)

if we ship out origi and sturridge after solanke surely we have to spend a decent whack to get a comparable talent in?

unless we know of a cheeky buyout clause that can be activated.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1256 on: January 14, 2019, 11:11:37 AM »
Well, the other discussions here are about established players from rival teams in their late 20s who will cost 50m+, while there is talk of wanting players who are on the verge but haven't made the step that would make them unaffordable. The kind of player you're talking about would be failures at the mega clubs (Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve, PSG) in order for us to be able to afford them. Any names?


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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1257 on: January 14, 2019, 11:13:43 AM »
Memphis Depay.

Doing brilliantly again in the French league. Sure, he didn't thrive in a turgid shit-fest of a team at United but we can see throrugh that, surely?

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1258 on: January 14, 2019, 11:16:02 AM »
I agree, I think Neves would fit that bill after watching him against us last week. We're unlikely to sign anyone this window but we can still dream.

pep saying that they won't spend £100m on him in the summer. similar comments from pellegrini when they were targeting sterling.

he will go to city, i think.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1259 on: January 14, 2019, 11:31:14 AM »
pep saying that they won't spend £100m on him in the summer. similar comments from pellegrini when they were targeting sterling.

he will go to city, i think.

Maybe. I'll be honest, I was just rating the superhunks. But yeah, I think he'd be a strong addition to our side, particularly as Lallana can't seem to stay fit (Klopp loves him but it's an issue that doesn't seem to be going away). Neves would cost an arm and a leg though and from looking at our squad, a player who can play in the front three positions seems to be a more vital area we should be targeting - I have no idea who but let's say Dybala because I can't think of anyone else - and then supplementing other areas (ideally every other area for one reason or another aside from maybe right back) because they're all relatively stronger.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1260 on: January 14, 2019, 11:36:14 AM »
Iíve never called one of these wrong ;)


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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1261 on: January 14, 2019, 11:43:32 AM »
Levy would literally ask for about 150m for him. He's perfect for us but thus far we haven't ever splashed out crazy money for an attacker. The biggest bucks we've paid have been on a GK and CB, and I'm fairly sure that's in part because they're relatively a lot cheaper than attackers. Can you imagine how much VVD would have set us back if he was a forward?

With that said, I didn't think we would pay a world record fee for VVD either, so stranger things have happened. It's a shame United seems to have got it together, because I think Martial would have been another really good option for us, and we could have picked him up for maybe 'only' around 80-90m, inclusive of the 'rivals fee'.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Roma and Southampton quote us much higher fees initially? With a bit of negotiation we got it down a bit. I agree with you that Levy will be a bastard to deal with, he always has been. And fair play to him as it's his club. But last summer we bought Fab, Alisson and Shaq for around £120m so I'd like to think we could spend a similar amount on a player who could be with us for the next five or six years.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1262 on: January 14, 2019, 11:44:26 AM »
Memphis Depay.

Doing brilliantly again in the French league. Sure, he didn't thrive in a turgid shit-fest of a team at United but we can see throrugh that, surely?
Completely the opposite mentality to the one we want in the dressing room - apparently no one at Lyon can stand him either. I'd still say Werner looks the best bet long term.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1263 on: January 14, 2019, 01:06:52 PM »
Atleast I'm not suggesting we would use 60M+ on a backup forward.

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Why not? In terms of market value, that forward would be below our current front three. What do you propose?
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1264 on: January 14, 2019, 01:14:47 PM »
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1265 on: January 14, 2019, 01:36:14 PM »
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1266 on: January 14, 2019, 01:51:16 PM »
How's this Son bid coming along?
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1267 on: January 14, 2019, 01:57:21 PM »
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1268 on: January 14, 2019, 02:02:55 PM »
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1269 on: January 14, 2019, 03:00:23 PM »
Not happening but i'd be very interested to see how Callum Hudson-Odoi would develop here
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1270 on: January 14, 2019, 03:26:50 PM »
Maybe the 4231 would be more natural but when you look at his defensive stats/actions he seems made for a #8 in our system.  Granted he's good at everything so in a way I don't think it would much matter as long as he's on the field. 

Anderson was a risk for West Ham though.  People might forget when he went to Napoli he ballooned up like a whale for a while as he couldn't stop himself from eating the food and then he had some injury issues as well.  When he was in shape and played he put up numbers but it wasn't always consistent.  Though for us I think the one concern is adding another player in the same age bracket as the majority of the squad.

I watched Anderson and find him an amazing playing on or off the ball. Anytime Arsenal lose the ball, we was always ready to launch a counter. I would take him over Coutinho now.

As for why he ballooned at Napoli. I would have too eating nice pizzas in Naples. But coming to Liverpool should be alright, like, you wouldn't eat Five Guys would you?  :lickin

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1271 on: January 14, 2019, 03:27:44 PM »
I watched Anderson and find him an amazing playing on or off the ball. Anytime Arsenal lose the ball, we was always ready to launch a counter. I would take him over Coutinho now.

As for why he ballooned at Napoli. I would have too eating nice pizzas in Naples. But coming to Liverpool should be alright, like, you wouldn't eat Five Guys would you?  :lickin

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1272 on: January 14, 2019, 07:26:59 PM »
How's this Son bid coming along?

Shouldn't this be in the fake Rumours thread?  8)
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1273 on: January 14, 2019, 07:34:55 PM »
How's this Son bid coming along?

Very well apparently. Michael Edwards and Levy have been chatting over tea and scones all afternoon. Should hear something by Friday.

Usual caveats apply of course.*

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1274 on: January 15, 2019, 12:21:30 AM »
Very well apparently. Michael Edwards and Levy have been chatting over tea and scones all afternoon. Should hear something by Friday.

Usual caveats apply of course.*

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1275 on: January 15, 2019, 02:24:38 AM »
Groeneveld linked. Could be an interesting under-the-radar sort of signing. Some experience but young. Good pace. Winger. Wouldnít demand to start but could add depth and might grow into a very good player. Could be canny business.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1276 on: January 15, 2019, 03:31:52 AM »
Don't think many of you realise Werner has played more on the left of a 4231 than as the out and out striker in his career.. He's proving this season than he can be the '1' of a 4231 as well which is fantastic, but if we signed him I'd expect him to play on the left, with ManŤ moving to the right and Salah up top (with Firmino in the #10 of course). I love Shaq, but that would take us up a level for me, ManŤ could drop into midfield more and open up the opposition with dribbling, and we could get Werner in to bury those 1v1 chances ManŤ doesnt seem to like finishing.

Werner then offers us versatility our front 4 can rotate with each other (and Shaq, Ox and whoever out of Origi/Studge/Wilson/Brewster/new striker finds themselves next in line).. He makes a hell of a lot of sense as a summer signing because we can get him way below market value due to entering the last year of his deal. Would be a textbook moneyball signing considering his age, quality and potential value. If I was gonna put money on anyone it would be him.as our #1 target for the summer.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1277 on: January 15, 2019, 04:00:31 AM »
Oh god no. Have you seen his latest music video? Yes he does music videos.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1278 on: January 15, 2019, 04:37:00 AM »
Felipe Anderson, been banging on about him for years - he has a level to go up as well I think he hasn't fully shown what he can do consistently with regards to his insane dribbling ability that he showed more of in Italy. Would've been nice to buy him before West Ham did after missing out on Fekir because now he will be ultra expensive.

He is better at dribbling and long range shooting than anyone in our front 3 IMO so he can bring something more/different. That and he has good passing and high defensive output. Also looks like he is more effective at disrupting opposition team's shape like Ox showed quite often from a deeper area. Could easily take over Mane's more defensive LW role, shift Mane to the right and let him attack a bit more. I think he would really thrive in our team like Shaqiri has been, playing with better players and being able to express himself more on the ball.

Then just add a creative midfield player like the disgruntled Isco or James who can play through balls as well as shoot  plus a backup left back e.g. Liverpool fan Ryan Sessegnon and our squad is complete :D

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1279 on: January 15, 2019, 08:00:50 AM »
If you buy Felipe Anderson to play on our left, where do you fit in an Isco or James Rodriguez? I suppose that wasnít a serious suggestion, but I doubt weíll make more than one major signing for the attack. Iíve seen others mention a need to replace Lallana - if not with Isco - but heís hardly played for 18 months and if we get Anderson (or a similar talent), I donít see why weíd have to.

Between Mane, Firmino, Anderson, Shaqiri and a returning Oxlade-Chamberlain weíd have the attacking midfield covered already. Both in our 4-2-3-1 and the 4-3-3 (before someone say it, I know it isnít a true 4-3-3, but I mean when we play 3 central midfielders).

With those options I still think weíre too reliant on Salah as our striker, but assuming heís fit for most of the season, I donít know how weíd work around that. I doubt weíll sign an established number 9 to sit on bench 90% of the time. As mentioned before, Iíd guess that Mane (off the right like in 16/17) is about as good as it gets as back up striker.