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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1200 on: January 13, 2019, 02:22:12 PM »
There's a free kick specialist in the Championship.

Championship? Better score 25 a year from free kicks to compensate for the lower technical ability I'm afraid...

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1201 on: January 13, 2019, 02:36:24 PM »
As Spurs are soon to be a selling club I think we should look to put a bid in for Son. In the summer though, as we'll be PL champions then and who wouldn't want to be a part of a team that wins stuff.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1202 on: January 13, 2019, 02:36:53 PM »
Money-wise he would only have a year left on his contract too so for me, he makes the most sense.

Whether we're interested or he wants to leave Germany remains to be seen but if we could someone like Werner for around £50m it could prove to be a steal given his quality and ability to play across the front.

Bayern will most likely be all over him, but it depends on what they decide to do with Lewandowski. He sits on a contract lasting until 2021, and although Real Madrid are bound to be interested if Mourinho takes them over (since he loves his 30 + short-term fixes), we'd be in a prime position to land Werner if Bayern decide not to go for it. This is of course since we have a German manager and Werner will most likely already speak quite good English like Germans of his age usually do. Therefore, it's a shorter step, moving to England.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1203 on: January 13, 2019, 02:39:51 PM »
I think this will be the plan for the summer.  Get someone in like TImo Werner for the front line.  A quality young player who fits our style and can play anywhere across the front line.  Would be ideal imo. 

I donít know much about tactics, and I donít read much into stats, but he passes my eye test each time I watch him - admittedly not often!

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1204 on: January 13, 2019, 03:43:09 PM »
Championship? Better score 25 a year from free kicks to compensate for the lower technical ability I'm afraid...

Judge for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qhyZTkD9-k

He's also scored the most spectacular goal I've seen this season, not from a free kick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECR09BF1Hxc
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1205 on: January 13, 2019, 03:48:28 PM »
Felipe Anderson would immediately (or maybe after a bedding in period) slot into the first XI in a 4231, so no need to argue about whether we can have an expensive attacker as depth. Werner or another versatile striker, on the other hand, wouldnít, which is why I have a hard time imagining we would spend big money on a player like that. The big difference is that Anderson does a ton of defensive work, so we could have 4 attackers on the pitch without really giving up anything defensively.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1206 on: January 13, 2019, 03:59:27 PM »
Does he?  In the WH games Iíve seen this season, he was excellent with the ball but did not offer much defensively.  Perhaps Pellegrini has worked on this.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1207 on: January 13, 2019, 04:04:59 PM »
They won't sell to us.  Hazard has made it very clear he wants to go to Real Madrid, he's not signing for Liverpool.  And Levy would laugh at us if we tried to sign Son.

No sensible discussion of potential transfer targets involves Eden Hazard, Son, Eriksen, Coutinho, Dembele or Fekir.  It's not looking down on ourselves at all, just reality.

Didn't Levy sell, Berbatov to United and Keane to us?

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1208 on: January 13, 2019, 04:10:32 PM »
Didn't Levy sell, Berbatov to United and Keane to us?

Yes.

A lot has changed since then, them becoming a CL club being one thing.




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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1209 on: January 13, 2019, 04:11:11 PM »
Didn't Levy sell, Berbatov to United and Keane to us?

When they were nowhere near Champions League and had to fund the purchase of Modric (Keane). Also, general revenue in the Premier League is much higher nowadays, so there's no need for any club to sell anything to anyone. That is why Southampton could put the asking price they did on van Dijk. Back in 2008, we could've gotten a player of that category from the lower midtable for about £20 million.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1210 on: January 13, 2019, 04:14:41 PM »
Does he?  In the WH games Iíve seen this season, he was excellent with the ball but did not offer much defensively.  Perhaps Pellegrini has worked on this.
He does, and always has. For example, he leads the whole West Ham team in tackles despite playing as a wide forward. .

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1211 on: January 13, 2019, 04:15:40 PM »
Judge for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qhyZTkD9-k

He's also scored the most spectacular goal I've seen this season, not from a free kick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECR09BF1Hxc

Didn't even know Harry was up to that this season  :o

Let's see what he can do when he comes back... That being said it'll be a steep task for him to come close usurp Manť for example.

I thought you were talking about someone like FM freekick legend Charlie Mulgrew et cetera.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1212 on: January 13, 2019, 04:17:52 PM »
We made it so far but when it came to CB and GK we had to go out and pay a massive fee to move us to the next level. It's not about swinging dicks, it's about improving the depth of our squad. Personally I think Son would suit us quite well.

The difference is with van Dijk and Alisson we paid big fees for world class players but they weren't disproportionately large fees. With Son we'd have to pay what he's worth plus a hefty "rival fee" on top. There's top talent in other leagues that would suit us well, and I wouldn't be totally surprised if we brought in someone young who isn't as well known rather than an established player.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1213 on: January 13, 2019, 04:20:55 PM »
When they were nowhere near Champions League and had to fund the purchase of Modric (Keane). Also, general revenue in the Premier League is much higher nowadays, so there's no need for any club to sell anything to anyone. That is why Southampton could put the asking price they did on van Dijk. Back in 2008, we could've gotten a player of that category from the lower midtable for about £20 million.



Yes.

A lot has changed since then, them becoming a CL club being one thing.

So Levy isn't above selling players to top English club then does he? 

They are also paying for a stadium that cost a gizillion quid.

Im not saying were signing Son or Erickson or whoever, but to suggest that Levy wont sell to English teams on some sort ego trip isnt true and Spurs are not flush at the moment. Look at how much they spent in the summer for proof

I have also just remembered Kyle Walker


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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1214 on: January 13, 2019, 04:20:56 PM »
The difference is with van Dijk and Alisson we paid big fees for world class players but they weren't disproportionately large fees. With Son we'd have to pay what he's worth plus a hefty "rival fee" on top. There's top talent in other leagues that would suit us well, and I wouldn't be totally surprised if we brought in someone young who isn't as well known rather than an established player.

Yeah, Felipe Anderson would be a more clever signing if we'll buy from within the league. Hopefully he has a CL clause in his contract as well?

Anyway, Eriksen's contract expires in 2020, so what happens in summer will be interesting. I could see Barcelona, Juventus and Bayern being after him. I doubt we'll go for him if he's not signed a new one until then, but I wouldn't be against a 60 mil transfer if there's a chance.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1215 on: January 13, 2019, 04:25:09 PM »

So Levy isn't above selling players to top English club then does he? 

They are also paying for a stadium that cost a gizillion quid.

Im not saying were signing Son or Erickson or whoever, but to suggest that Levy wont sell to English teams on some sort ego trip isnt true and Spurs are not flush at the moment. Look at how much they spent in the summer for proof

I have also just remembered Kyle Walker

He's not if it suits Spurs.

They got £50m for Kyle Walker having eased him out of the picture in favour of Trippier

How much do you think it would cost to get Son?

It's not that Levy's on an ego trip, but why would he sell a player on a long-term contract to a direct rival? 

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1216 on: January 13, 2019, 04:27:06 PM »
Anyway, Eriksen's contract expires in 2020, so what happens in summer will be interesting. I could see Barcelona, Juventus and Bayern being after him. I doubt we'll go for him if he's not signed a new one until then, but I wouldn't be against a 60 mil transfer if there's a chance.

Real Madrid reportedly want him.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1217 on: January 13, 2019, 04:37:20 PM »
We've signed some very good players at great value from the relegated clubs in the past,the season is far from over but putting the cut-off point at 22 points and Palace who do you like from those teams if you could sign 1 player who'd also fit our style of play etc.?



tarkowski seems the most likely.


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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1218 on: January 13, 2019, 04:41:53 PM »
Felipe Anderson would immediately (or maybe after a bedding in period) slot into the first XI in a 4231, so no need to argue about whether we can have an expensive attacker as depth. Werner or another versatile striker, on the other hand, wouldnít, which is why I have a hard time imagining we would spend big money on a player like that. The big difference is that Anderson does a ton of defensive work, so we could have 4 attackers on the pitch without really giving up anything defensively.

also: prem proven.

will we still be interested in lanzini?

suppose we need to see how he has recovered first.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1219 on: January 13, 2019, 05:01:41 PM »
Felipe Anderson would immediately (or maybe after a bedding in period) slot into the first XI in a 4231, so no need to argue about whether we can have an expensive attacker as depth. Werner or another versatile striker, on the other hand, wouldnít, which is why I have a hard time imagining we would spend big money on a player like that. The big difference is that Anderson does a ton of defensive work, so we could have 4 attackers on the pitch without really giving up anything defensively.

From what I can find out, Neal Maupay would be interesting. Good numbers in the Championship, both scoring (15) and assisting (6). Technically competent from the eye, comfortable in small spaces. Can play on the wing but prefers the centre. Used to holding up the ball (at 5'7"!) but likes to play on the shoulder. Compared by Brentford fans to Suarez - someone you'd hate if he's on the other team, but you love him to be on yours. Hefty price tag for a Championship player with no top level experience (20m), but he'd be at least double that if he produces half these numbers in the Prem.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1220 on: January 13, 2019, 05:05:17 PM »
He's not if it suits Spurs.

They got £50m for Kyle Walker having eased him out of the picture in favour of Trippier

How much do you think it would cost to get Son?

It's not that Levy's on an ego trip, but why would he sell a player on a long-term contract to a direct rival?



Walker was the preferred option over Trippier in his last season there
Dunno how much it would cost
hes sold to direct rivals before on numerous occasions, Walker quite recently whilst Spurs were in the CL
Players with long term contracts get sold all the time

If we win a trophy this year it will be a big one and we will be a big draw

Spurs and Levy's recent history proves they will sell to English teams and rather betrays your stance and supports mine.






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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1221 on: January 13, 2019, 05:05:17 PM »
You know its a quiet transfer window for us when people resort to talking about Hazard and Son. Comparing Chelsea and Spurs to Arsenal when it comes to selling to rivals is a funny one, Wenger was always happy to allow players to go to rivals and helped out Man U numerous times like a fool

As for Anderson, they would likely want over 60 million for him.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1222 on: January 13, 2019, 05:12:10 PM »
Walker was the preferred option over Trippier in his last season there
Dunno how much it would cost
hes sold to direct rivals before on numerous occasions, Walker quite recently whilst Spurs were in the CL
Players with long term contracts get sold all the time

If we win a trophy this year it will be a big one and we will be a big draw

Spurs and Levy's recent history proves they will sell to English teams and rather betrays your stance and supports mine.

Okay. 

Levy isn't selling Son to us, the same as we would not sell Mane or Salah to any of our direct rivals in the league. 


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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1223 on: January 13, 2019, 05:12:29 PM »
From what I can find out, Neal Maupay would be interesting. Good numbers in the Championship, both scoring (15) and assisting (6). Technically competent from the eye, comfortable in small spaces. Can play on the wing but prefers the centre. Used to holding up the ball (at 5'7"!) but likes to play on the shoulder. Compared by Brentford fans to Suarez - someone you'd hate if he's on the other team, but you love him to be on yours. Hefty price tag for a Championship player with no top level experience (20m), but he'd be at least double that if he produces half these numbers in the Prem.

The problem is though that the gap between the top six and the Championship in terms of first XI's is insane. I assume he'd be in demand in his home country though, looks like the kind of player who could do with a couple of seasons at Marseille or Lyon so the big clubs know whether he's enough to take a punt. That, or maybe Leicester/West Ham. For us it would be too much of a gamble.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1224 on: January 13, 2019, 05:25:54 PM »
I think young Callum Hudson-Odoi would prosper under Jurgen.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1225 on: January 13, 2019, 05:29:05 PM »
Okay. 

Levy isn't selling Son to us, the same as we would not sell Mane or Salah to any of our direct rivals in the league.

Based on your opinion rather than previous facts


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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1226 on: January 13, 2019, 05:54:43 PM »
The problem is though that the gap between the top six and the Championship in terms of first XI's is insane. I assume he'd be in demand in his home country though, looks like the kind of player who could do with a couple of seasons at Marseille or Lyon so the big clubs know whether he's enough to take a punt. That, or maybe Leicester/West Ham. For us it would be too much of a gamble.

He wouldn't be first XI though. Just part of the matchday squad with the right attributes to be an option like Shaqiri, to push his way into the right starting XI if he can. He'd be replacing the likes of Sturridge and Origi.
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1227 on: January 13, 2019, 06:05:39 PM »
He wouldn't be first XI though. Just part of the matchday squad with the right attributes to be an option like Shaqiri, to push his way into the right starting XI if he can. He'd be replacing the likes of Sturridge and Origi.

Buying backups, rather than trying to improve the XI and thus increase depth that way screams "decline" all over. We need to be aggressive and selective in recruitment not to stagnate and fall back. Shaqiri had a top CV from playing for Bayern MŁnchen and Inter along with several championships for Switzerland, so we knew what we were getting. That's the sole type of backup signing that is acceptable for the front line.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1228 on: January 13, 2019, 06:26:16 PM »
Buying backups, rather than trying to improve the XI and thus increase depth that way screams "decline" all over. We need to be aggressive and selective in recruitment not to stagnate and fall back. Shaqiri had a top CV from playing for Bayern MŁnchen and Inter along with several championships for Switzerland, so we knew what we were getting. That's the sole type of backup signing that is acceptable for the front line.

Well, the other discussions here are about established players from rival teams in their late 20s who will cost 50m+, while there is talk of wanting players who are on the verge but haven't made the step that would make them unaffordable. The kind of player you're talking about would be failures at the mega clubs (Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve, PSG) in order for us to be able to afford them. Any names?
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1229 on: January 13, 2019, 06:31:20 PM »
Well, the other discussions here are about established players from rival teams in their late 20s who will cost 50m+, while there is talk of wanting players who are on the verge but haven't made the step that would make them unaffordable. The kind of player you're talking about would be failures at the mega clubs (Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve, PSG) in order for us to be able to afford them. Any names?

The revenue for an English Champions League club is so high nowadays that 50m is the new 20m.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1230 on: January 13, 2019, 07:03:52 PM »
Cheeky bid for Son now Spurs are officially out of the running for the league?
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1231 on: January 13, 2019, 07:28:33 PM »
I like Son but I'm not sure I'd be frothing to have him at Liverpool. Too streaky for my liking, like Benteke he'll score a handful in a few and then vanish without trace for months.

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« Reply #1232 on: January 13, 2019, 07:31:38 PM »
Cheeky bid for Son now Spurs are officially out of the running for the league?

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1233 on: January 13, 2019, 07:33:33 PM »
Heís the perfect Klopp player
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1234 on: January 13, 2019, 07:33:50 PM »
Cheeky bid for Benteke now that he's back from injury?
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« Reply #1235 on: January 13, 2019, 07:38:47 PM »
Cheeky bid for Benteke now that he's back from injury?

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1237 on: January 13, 2019, 09:51:30 PM »
From what I can find out, Neal Maupay would be interesting. Good numbers in the Championship, both scoring (15) and assisting (6). Technically competent from the eye, comfortable in small spaces. Can play on the wing but prefers the centre. Used to holding up the ball (at 5'7"!) but likes to play on the shoulder. Compared by Brentford fans to Suarez - someone you'd hate if he's on the other team, but you love him to be on yours. Hefty price tag for a Championship player with no top level experience (20m), but he'd be at least double that if he produces half these numbers in the Prem.
Agree, he has very interesting numbers. Would be a decent shout as a replacement for Sturridge and Origi with upside, assuming the scouts think his ability matches the numbers.

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1238 on: January 13, 2019, 09:57:31 PM »
Buying backups, rather than trying to improve the XI and thus increase depth that way screams "decline" all over. We need to be aggressive and selective in recruitment not to stagnate and fall back. Shaqiri had a top CV from playing for Bayern MŁnchen and Inter along with several championships for Switzerland, so we knew what we were getting. That's the sole type of backup signing that is acceptable for the front line.
Ideally I think you get a versatile, hard working, and proven  wide forward who could start on the left or right in the 4231 (just as examples, Anderson or Brandt) and then a cheaper player to replace Sturridge/Origi, both of which really need to be moved on. Iíll give you that we donít really like to sign players older than about 20 who havenít already proven themselves in a top league, so fair enough, but itís going to be very, very tough to find a striker with upside,  fits with our style, and is reasonably priced. (In fairness I suppose you could just play someone like Anderson at striker if Salah and Firmino were both out.)

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Re: General Thread - Winter Window 2019 (No Fekir coming, No Capon).
« Reply #1239 on: January 13, 2019, 10:40:42 PM »
Heís the perfect Klopp player

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