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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5640 on: February 11, 2019, 09:47:09 AM »
Man how do you guys stay so positive? Our next 3 fixtures in the league are really tough as compared to City.

This is the best team we have had in 30 years, without a doubt. We have challenged for the league properly just twice in those 30 years and unlike those two times, we have a club in the most healthiest position it has been, both on and off the field.

You cannot be anything other than positive. If we dont win it this season then we will challenge again next season.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5641 on: February 11, 2019, 09:48:42 AM »
Fragile ego ? Nah, the irony made me laugh thats all.

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If it's North Korea, are you Kim Il Sung? ;)

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5642 on: February 11, 2019, 09:49:01 AM »
Man how do you guys stay so positive? Our next 3 fixtures in the league are really tough as compared to City.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5643 on: February 11, 2019, 09:59:51 AM »
Seriously ... we are still fretting over the draw against Leicester and West Ham?
Yep. Perfection is the new expectation, didnít you know? Perfectly reasonable.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5644 on: February 11, 2019, 10:03:58 AM »
Boys and girls. Knock off the personal stuff please.  :wave

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« Reply #5645 on: February 11, 2019, 10:06:02 AM »
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5646 on: February 11, 2019, 10:20:01 AM »
The performance of the weekend's was City's and they've had a great week.. so naturally all the plaudits and hyperbole will swirl around them until the next game.
It was all about us in December, it's all about them for now.
It'll be all about us again and so on.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5647 on: February 11, 2019, 10:30:52 AM »
Man how do you guys stay so positive? Our next 3 fixtures in the league are really tough as compared to City.

Played 26 games lost only once and acquired 65 points whilst only dropping 13 points all season.

That doesn't mean we'll win the next 3. We could lose them all. But if you can't have confidence in the team now then you probably never will do. We are playing at a level that surpasses what most of us have seen Liverpool teams do before.

The only fly in the ointment is that there's another team, arguably 2, playing at the same high level. It's this fact rather than our ability to perform and/or acquire points that is making people fret a little.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5648 on: February 11, 2019, 10:33:35 AM »
Currently itís still in our hands.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5649 on: February 11, 2019, 10:36:41 AM »
Man how do you guys stay so positive? Our next 3 fixtures in the league are really tough as compared to City.

Because we're better than every single team we're playing against.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5650 on: February 11, 2019, 10:39:53 AM »
This is the best team we have had in 30 years, without a doubt. We have challenged for the league properly just twice in those 30 years and unlike those two times, we have a club in the most healthiest position it has been, both on and off the field.

You cannot be anything other than positive. If we dont win it this season then we will challenge again next season.

Exactly what I keep telling myself.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5651 on: February 11, 2019, 10:42:24 AM »
Currently itís still in our hands.

And it would be with a draw at OT as well.
I don't really see that the next 3 games in the league are really hard.  If we are going to win the league or at least take the race to the last few games we will need to beat Watford at home and that lot at Woodison.  Can see no reason at all why we shouldn't be able to do that.
OGS has got the Mancs in very good form; to be honest I'll take a point in that game, and that is tough let's be honest, but 7 points in the next 3 games and it's still in our hands.
Equally Manchester City were of course superb yesterday no question but it's only a fortnight since they lost to Newcastle.  Who saw that coming?  There will be plenty of twists and turns and points dropped we don't expect by both sides (and Spurs if you consider them to be in the race) yet.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5652 on: February 11, 2019, 10:44:19 AM »
I was majorly pissed off after the West Ham game as it felt like one opportunity too many thrown away, the type which we may regret come May. How we perform and the results we pick up both affect my mood more than they probably should. But so be it.

What I'm struggling to relate to is the relentless amount of bed-wetting and fretting based on what Manchester City do to a team which isn't named Liverpool.

Sure, the way they are playing at times is impressive, but they don't get extra points for winning 6-0 compared to us winning 3-0. (Just the extra 'point' should it come down to goal-difference, which everyone knows they will end up ahead of us on now anyway.)

Sure, we could do with them dropping points against a big team sooner rather than later, but if we don't put in performances like we did at West Ham, we don't need them to.

We won on Saturday. We played very well on Saturday. Just enjoy that and focus on our football team. It's going to be a very, very long three-and-a-half month if you're focusing on them as well beyond the 90 minutes they play.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5653 on: February 11, 2019, 10:45:08 AM »
Exactly what I keep telling myself.

All you can do is hope and expect your team to perform at the level it is capable of and thats it. There should not be a title expectation.

I moaned and whigned more than anyone when we were just battling out for fourth position because I feel we should be doing better than that.

Our squad is without doubt the second best after City and we have plenty of inprovement to come, what with our back four still very young and Fabinho and Naby Keita still fitting in. This season should not be the be all and end all.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5654 on: February 11, 2019, 10:46:38 AM »
It's wide open. I was taken aback somewhat by City's 6-0 win yesterday but they could well thrown in another Newcastle or Palace. They have so many games to play.

We, meanwhile, have a game in hand and just need to keep doing our own thing. I think in previous title races I've always had a doubt, this one the only doubt is whether we are lucky enough because we are going to finish with a big, title winning points haul and the only thing that can stop us is City bettering it. If they do, fair play they have a huge squad and great players but for once I actually believe we're gonna do this one way or another.  :D

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5655 on: February 11, 2019, 10:46:51 AM »
This is the best team we have had in 30 years, without a doubt. We have challenged for the league properly just twice in those 30 years and unlike those two times, we have a club in the most healthiest position it has been, both on and off the field.

You cannot be anything other than positive. If we dont win it this season then we will challenge again next season.

Letís just take it one season at a time, all that next year next season malarkey never seems to materialise how youíd expect it to, we need to win the league this seasons and thatís all.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5656 on: February 11, 2019, 10:50:49 AM »
All you can do is hope and expect your team to perform at the level it is capable of and thats it. There should not be a title expectation.

I moaned and whigned more than anyone when we were just battling out for fourth position because I feel we should be doing better than that.

Our squad is without doubt the second best after City and we have plenty of inprovement to come, what with our back four still very young and Fabinho and Naby Keita still fitting in. This season should not be the be all and end all.

I can't relate to this either to be honest. We're all heavily invested in this title challenge. To pretend there is no expectation to win the league in the position we're in is small-time nonsense.

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« Reply #5657 on: February 11, 2019, 10:51:59 AM »
I am pretty certain that City side is on steroids. There is no way that a 34 year old Fernandinho can run and hassle Hazard and manage to keep up with him, just no way. Fernandinho looked finished four years ago, now with Pep's regime he looks like a peak Makelele.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5658 on: February 11, 2019, 10:56:02 AM »
I can't relate to this either to be honest. We're all heavily invested in this title challenge. To pretend there is no expectation to win the league in the position we're in is small-time nonsense.

How can you expect to win the league? We are not 20 points ahead and City are an amazing side.

Its not small time either. We are competing and thats all you can ask. Unlike some of you, I am not losing my mind if we dont win it.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5659 on: February 11, 2019, 10:59:40 AM »
Currently itís still in our hands.

Thatís crucial for me and it is on a knife edge because one defeat and it wonít be (a bit like 13/14 but with three times as many games to go).

Thatís why for me a draw at United wouldnít be terrible. I want us to win (obviously) and hope we go for it but not all out and playing into their hands. A draw there keeps things in our hands and gets our toughest remaining fixture out of the way.

I donít t think weíll win the last 11 after that, nor do I think City will win every game from here, but if we end each game week on top thatíll do for me.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5660 on: February 11, 2019, 11:00:11 AM »
Letís just take it one season at a time, all that next year next season malarkey never seems to materialise how youíd expect it to, we need to win the league this seasons and thatís all.

I think the whole next season thing is pretty relevant in this case.  I haven't seen this stability in the club in over 30yrs.  Everytime we've gotten close to challenging since then, we've had our achievements and potential whipped from beneath our noses by shite owners etc etc.  And had to start from square one again and again.

We're healthier as a club than we've ever been.  We've got a pretty damn good squad.  No one (touch wood) wants to leave (who we want to retain).  Players want to come and be part of what we're building.  We've got a world class manager.

No matter what happens this season have to say I'm proud as fuck.  We've been brilliant.

Been waiting a long time for this and unlike all the other false dawns we've had I feel calm as anything (which is really strange in itself), even if we don't cross the line this year.

You can't guarantee anything, even us winning the league at any point, especially with a club like City and the way they have endless amounts of money pumped into them.

But honestly, this is the best position we've been in since our dominant years to consistently mount a challenge.  Very very optimistic times.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5661 on: February 11, 2019, 11:02:18 AM »
How can you expect to win the league? We are not 20 points ahead and City are an amazing side.

Its not small time either. We are competing and thats all you can ask. Unlike some of you, I am not losing my mind if we dont win it.
We've had chances to be 5, 7 and 10 points clear, though. It's okay to be disappointed that we didn't take them and it's okay to be disappointed if we fall short. Losing our minds? Well, that would depend on the manner in my view.

I think it is small-time to have no expectation of winning the league when we're level on points with a game in hand in February. Sorry, but that's the attitude I would expect from a Spurs fan, not a Liverpool one. Forget who we are up against, we're a great team having a great season and it's in our hands.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5662 on: February 11, 2019, 11:03:31 AM »

Thatís why for me a draw at United wouldnít be terrible.

Same. Avoid defeat there, and the run in proper begins. I'm not saying we will win all of last 11 games, but there's no reason we couldn't if it were necessary. And I think that's significant.
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« Reply #5663 on: February 11, 2019, 11:09:50 AM »
We've had chances to be 5, 7 and 10 points clear, though. It's okay to be disappointed that we didn't take them and it's okay to be disappointed if we fall short. Losing our minds? Well, that would depend on the manner in my view.

I think it is small-time to have no expectation of winning the league when we're level on points with a game in hand in February. Sorry, but that's the attitude I would expect from a Spurs fan, not a Liverpool one. Forget who we are up against, we're a great team having a great season and it's in our hands.

I can assure you I dont think like a fucking Spurs fan.

No I dont have expectations of winning the league and you will have to deal with the fact that we may probably not win it.

The only expectation I have is that we challenge for it. If we didnt challenge for it next year again then I would lose my mind over it. Winning it though against a bunch of cheaters? Not sure i can expect that.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5664 on: February 11, 2019, 11:15:40 AM »
I can assure you I dont think like a fucking Spurs fan.

No I dont have expectations of winning the league and you will have to deal with the fact that we may probably not win it.

The only expectation I have is that we challenge for it. If we didnt challenge for it next year again then I would lose my mind over it. Winning it though against a bunch of cheaters? Not sure i can expect that.

So you expect us to challenge for it, but you don't expect us to win it? That sounds pretty Spursy to me.

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« Reply #5665 on: February 11, 2019, 11:26:52 AM »
So you expect us to challenge for it, but you don't expect us to win it? That sounds pretty Spursy to me.

This is not normal times here. We are not up against a side that gets 85-90 points, we are up against one that got 100 points last season and may clock up 90-95 points. Expecting that we beat that is odd.

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« Reply #5666 on: February 11, 2019, 11:31:16 AM »
This is not normal times here. We are not up against a side that gets 85-90 points, we are up against one that got 100 points last season and may clock up 90-95 points. Expecting that we beat that is odd.

Why?

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« Reply #5667 on: February 11, 2019, 11:32:55 AM »
This is not normal times here. We are not up against a side that gets 85-90 points, we are up against one that got 100 points last season and may clock up 90-95 points. Expecting that we beat that is odd.

I guess this kind of nonsense is why I don't enter this thread very often. Lots of people preparing themselves for disappointment when we have absolutely no idea how this is going to pan out. If it does pan out the way you think it will, you're only lying to yourself by pretending you won't be disappointed like the rest of us.

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« Reply #5668 on: February 11, 2019, 11:38:51 AM »
More people are complaining about Clyne being let go than Coutinho last year in January :D


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« Reply #5669 on: February 11, 2019, 11:43:26 AM »
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5670 on: February 11, 2019, 11:44:48 AM »
So you expect us to challenge for it, but you don't expect us to win it? That sounds pretty Spursy to me.

I think what heís saying is that all that can be expected of this team is a challenge, expecting us to win it is a different thing all together especially when youíre up against the likes of City.

Itís not that we expect to lose, just that itís clearly neck and neck and is likely to remain that way until the end of the season, to Ďexpectí a win in that scenario is akin to expecting us to have beaten Madrid in Kiev last season. It may well happen but you have to accept that it may not, thatís the very definition of top level sporting competitions which are often defined by narrow margins.

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« Reply #5671 on: February 11, 2019, 11:55:14 AM »
I guess this kind of nonsense is why I don't enter this thread very often. Lots of people preparing themselves for disappointment when we have absolutely no idea how this is going to pan out. If it does pan out the way you think it will, you're only lying to yourself by pretending you won't be disappointed like the rest of us.

Who is saying that I wont be disappointed?

I am not going to lose my mind over it though. We have an amazing side and should challenge again next year. Thats what I expect.

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« Reply #5672 on: February 11, 2019, 12:00:31 PM »
It's so good having you back Roy!

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5673 on: February 11, 2019, 12:07:08 PM »
So you expect us to challenge for it, but you don't expect us to win it? That sounds pretty Spursy to me.

Of course it isn't. It's a two horse race with between teams that are within a whisker of each other going into the final third of the season. 

You'd have to be deluded and completely lacking in perspective to 'expect us to win' a two-horse race when the margin for error is so tight.

I expect us to be in it down to the wire. I expect the manager and the players to give it their all in every game. I expect Man City to do the same. I expect United, Spurs and every other team we play to give it everything when they play us. And I will be gutted if we don't do it.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5674 on: February 11, 2019, 12:15:59 PM »
We have done brilliantly so far, only losing 1 game, the players and manager deserve a lot of credit.

To be close to City given their squad and spending power is in itself a real achievement.
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« Reply #5675 on: February 11, 2019, 12:16:18 PM »
Why?

I think's people are using believe and expect in the same context when they are slightly different. To me anyway.

I believe we have a good chance of winning the league this season. But I don't expect us to win the league.

For me I have belief that we can get +90 points and that may be good enough to win the league. That belief is driven by how I've seen this team grow over the last few seasons. We are now genuinely one of the best teams in Europe.

I don't expect us to win the league though. For me, saying you expect something means that you believe it's probable to happen. That if it doesn't then something unexpected must have happened. Would it really be that unexpected if, for example, we get 92 points and City got 93 points this season?

The problem I have with 'expecting' something is that if it doesn't happen the natural thing to do is look for reason whey the expected thing didn't happen. To look for things or people to blame. We've been down this path before with dire consequences.

If we get +90 points this season and don't win the league then so be it. We'd all be massively disappointed but I don't think anyone would be to blame. It'd be an indication of how good another team had been this season rather than a result of our inadequacies.  We'd get over our disappointment though and I'd believe and expect us to put up a title challenge in 2019/20.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5676 on: February 11, 2019, 12:29:32 PM »
It's largely semantics, but there's also a deeper-lying attitude issue here.

Expectation is a strong belief that something will happen or be the case.

The post I quoted said, "There should not be a title expectation." So, in other words, we should not have a strong belief that we will win the title.

Really? I'd be very disappointed if that attitude transmitted to the players, or indeed if the players had that attitude themselves. They should have a strong belief that they will win the title, because they're bloody good and it is still in their hands.

I'd like to see fans believe in them more too rather than all this "oh haven't we done so well, aren't Man City so rich and so good" stuff. Save that for if what you appear to think will happen, happens. Until then, believe. Expect, even. It won't kill you. And it won't kill them. They'll go again.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5677 on: February 11, 2019, 01:11:51 PM »
More people are complaining about Clyne being let go than Coutinho last year in January :D



The Coutinho move pretty much paid for VVD and Allison. No one with any sense would complain about that.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5678 on: February 11, 2019, 01:13:40 PM »
Still in our hands lads.

Clyne just text me to say.
Heard he also texted Jurgen last night. He's obviously a very busy man, but he told Jurgen "to let them play."
Let's drink to him once more. He was a good Stalker.
In such a sumptuous festival of shite, I wouldn't be so quick to pick a winner..

But he'd make the shortlist

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5679 on: February 11, 2019, 01:26:02 PM »
The Coutinho move pretty much paid for VVD and Allison. No one with any sense would complain about that.

I wasn't talking about now, I was talking about the moment it happened.


Becker wasn't signed in January and we didn't sign a replacement for Coutinho either. We were after Van Dijk regardless of what happened with Coutinho.


You missed the point entirely