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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2120 on: January 4, 2019, 12:07:47 AM »
If they’re to win it they’ll probably have to take 4, probably 6 points from their trips to us and City.

They'll need 6 I reokon, you never know though.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2121 on: January 4, 2019, 12:07:54 AM »
Here we are, with all our problems, sitting at the top of the league.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2122 on: January 4, 2019, 12:13:38 AM »
Don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t be getting 15 points from our next 5 games. We have played all the top 6 apart from united away. Things never work out exactly how they are planned and anyone thinking we would win it with 105 points is deluded. Champions lose games, no need for a meltdown because we have narrowly lost our most difficult league game all year.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2123 on: January 4, 2019, 12:26:35 AM »
Before the game last night I was doing some mental gymnastics in my head, much like our Evertonian brothers do. We were a point ahead of City going into it, and if we lost we went 4 up, if we drew we went 7 up and if we won we went 10 up.

Either way, we were still clear at the top. It is ours to lose.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2124 on: January 4, 2019, 12:28:56 AM »
Feels like the equivalent of being 2 up in a match, missing a chance to make it 3 and then being hauled back to 2-1. When that’s happened this season we’ve seeen the games out. Shows we have a strong mentality.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2125 on: January 4, 2019, 12:40:27 AM »
Feels like the equivalent of being 2 up in a match, missing a chance to make it 3 and then being hauled back to 2-1. When that’s happened this season we’ve seeen the games out. Shows we have a strong mentality.
Not a bad analogy actually

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2126 on: January 4, 2019, 12:41:36 AM »
One game at a time, this will imo def keep us hungry and angry like Klopp want's and motivated [not that we weren't going to be had we won] but non the less, it keeps us on our toes.

So on to the next match.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2127 on: January 4, 2019, 12:52:43 AM »
When the season started we were on the same points as City. Now with 17 games left we are 4 points ahead. Keep the pace from the start of the season and we will be good

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2128 on: January 4, 2019, 01:01:36 AM »
Remaining fixtures:

January 2019
Sat 12th 15:00 Brighton & Hove Albion A
Sat 19th 15:00 Crystal Palace H
Wed 30th 20:00 Leicester City H
February 2019
Mon 4th 20:00 West Ham United A
Sat 9th 15:00 Bournemouth H
Sun 24th 14:05 Manchester United A
Wed 27th 20:00 Watford H
March 2019
Sat 2nd 15:00 Everton A
Sat 9th 15:00 Burnley H
Sat 16th 15:00 Fulham A
Sat 30th 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur H
April 2019
Sat 6th 15:00 Southampton A
Sat 13th 15:00 Chelsea H
Sat 20th 15:00 Cardiff City A
Sat 27th 15:00 Huddersfield Town H

City remaining fixtures:

January 2019
Mon 14th 20:00 Wolverhampton Wanderers H
Sun 20th 13:30 Huddersfield Town A
Tue 29th 20:00 Newcastle United A
February
Sun 3rd 16:30 Arsenal H
Sun 10th 16:00 Chelsea H
Sat 23rd 17:30 Everton A
Tue 26th 20:00 West Ham H
March
Sat 2nd 15:00 Bournemouth A
Sat 9th 15:00 Watford H
Sat 16th 15:00 Manchester United A
Sat 30th 15:00 Fulham A
April
Sat 6th 15:00 Cardiff City H
Sat 13th 15:00 Crystal Palace A
Sat 20th 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur H
Sat 27th 15:00 Burnley A
May
Sat 4th 15:00 Leicester City H
Sun 12th 15:00 Brighton & Hove Albion A

Those are both ours and their remaining fixtures in the league until the end of the season, the boldest ones are the most difficult on paper. The only reason I've bolded Everton for us is because it's the derby and they always get up for it, while they'll just roll over for City as usual. We both have Spurs at home, Chelsea at home, and United away. The other 'harder' match sees us having Everton away while they have Arsenal at home, and I honestly feel playing Arsenal would be easier. It's going to go down to the wire unless some unexpected points are dropped of course. Hopefully they'll progress in the CL and draw some good sides as well.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2129 on: January 4, 2019, 01:02:19 AM »
17 games left

Win 12 draw 3 L2 i would say from here is slightly conservative guess

That’s 93pts

You’re then looking for city to drop 9 pts
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2130 on: January 4, 2019, 01:02:21 AM »
I find it strange so many seem to be discounting Spurs.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2131 on: January 4, 2019, 01:04:45 AM »

Those are both ours and their remaining fixtures in the league until the end of the season, the boldest ones are the most difficult on paper. The only reason I've bolded Everton for us is because it's the derby and they always get up for it, while they'll just roll over for City as usual. We both have Spurs at home, Chelsea at home, and United away. The other 'harder' match sees us having Everton away while they have Arsenal at home, and I honestly feel playing Arsenal would be easier. It's going to go down to the wire unless some unexpected points are dropped of course. Hopefully they'll progress in the CL and draw some good sides as well.

You forgot to make Palace and Leicester bold for them :lmao

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2132 on: January 4, 2019, 01:06:39 AM »
I find it strange so many seem to be discounting Spurs.

I know you adore them but 6 behind us and we've played City and Arsenal twice. They've played Wolves and Cardiff twice. They are a good side but clearly the 3rd best side and have the hardest fixture list. It's not that radical, if we drop that many points that they become relevant then we'll likely be well behind City so they are kinda irrelevant really.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2133 on: January 4, 2019, 01:07:35 AM »
I find it strange so many seem to be discounting Spurs.

No team that's lost 5 games is winning a title. They're going to lose at least 2 more matches as well.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2134 on: January 4, 2019, 01:09:18 AM »
Remaining fixtures:

January 2019
Sat 12th 15:00 Brighton & Hove Albion A
Sat 19th 15:00 Crystal Palace H
Wed 30th 20:00 Leicester City H
February 2019
Mon 4th 20:00 West Ham United A
Sat 9th 15:00 Bournemouth H
Sun 24th 14:05 Manchester United A
Wed 27th 20:00 Watford H
March 2019
Sat 2nd 15:00 Everton A
Sat 9th 15:00 Burnley H
Sat 16th 15:00 Fulham A
Sat 30th 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur H
April 2019
Sat 6th 15:00 Southampton A
Sat 13th 15:00 Chelsea H
Sat 20th 15:00 Cardiff City A
Sat 27th 15:00 Huddersfield Town H
May 2019
Sat 4th 15:00 Newcastle united A
Sat 11th 15:00 Wolverhampton Wanderers H

City remaining fixtures:

January 2019
Mon 14th 20:00 Wolverhampton Wanderers H
Sun 20th 13:30 Huddersfield Town A
Tue 29th 20:00 Newcastle United A
February
Sun 3rd 16:30 Arsenal H
Sun 10th 16:00 Chelsea H
Sat 23rd 17:30 Everton A
Tue 26th 20:00 West Ham H
March
Sat 2nd 15:00 Bournemouth A
Sat 9th 15:00 Watford H
Sat 16th 15:00 Manchester United A
Sat 30th 15:00 Fulham A
April
Sat 6th 15:00 Cardiff City H
Sat 13th 15:00 Crystal Palace A
Sat 20th 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur H
Sat 27th 15:00 Burnley A
May
Sat 4th 15:00 Leicester City H
Sun 12th 15:00 Brighton & Hove Albion A

Those are both ours and their remaining fixtures in the league until the end of the season, the boldest ones are the most difficult on paper. The only reason I've bolded Everton for us is because it's the derby and they always get up for it, while they'll just roll over for City as usual. We both have Spurs at home, Chelsea at home, and United away. The other 'harder' match sees us having Everton away while they have Arsenal at home, and I honestly feel playing Arsenal would be easier. It's going to go down to the wire unless some unexpected points are dropped of course. Hopefully they'll progress in the CL and draw some good sides as well.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2135 on: January 4, 2019, 01:09:20 AM »
Another factor to consider is our bad form in January under Klopp.

It's a different team now (in mentality and quality), but we will have to turn these upcoming results on it's head to give us a shot.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2136 on: January 4, 2019, 01:13:56 AM »
I know you adore them
Not sure how you arrived at that one.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2137 on: January 4, 2019, 01:14:54 AM »
Another factor to consider is our bad form in January under Klopp.

It's a different team now (in mentality and quality), but we will have to turn these upcoming results on it's head to give us a shot.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2138 on: January 4, 2019, 01:15:30 AM »
I find it strange so many seem to be discounting Spurs.
I think it's because they're Spurs.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2139 on: January 4, 2019, 01:15:51 AM »
if Spurs manage to get some points off ManCity I won't mind them as much.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2140 on: January 4, 2019, 01:16:03 AM »
I think it's because they're Spurs.
I mean...we’re hardly serial winners ourselves these days.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2141 on: January 4, 2019, 01:16:55 AM »
I mean...we’re hardly serial winners ourselves these days.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2142 on: January 4, 2019, 01:31:59 AM »
Another factor to consider is our bad form in January under Klopp.

It's a different team now (in mentality and quality), but we will have to turn these upcoming results on it's head to give us a shot.

What bad form in January? We won 3 out of 4 league games last January. The January before that we struggled with injuries, with Matip and Mane both not being available.


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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2143 on: January 4, 2019, 02:00:22 AM »
I mean...we’re hardly serial winners ourselves these days.
Is this a joke?
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« Reply #2144 on: January 4, 2019, 03:17:42 AM »
Is this a joke?
Not really. I disagree that we can rule out Spurs for the title on the basis of them “Spursing” (falling at the vital moment) it. That seems a bit hypocritical given that our recent history is full of similar instances.

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« Reply #2145 on: January 4, 2019, 03:19:16 AM »
Not really. I disagree that we can rule out Spurs for the title on the basis of them “Spursing” (falling at the vital moment) it. That seems a bit hypocritical given that our recent history is full of similar instances.


We are hardly serial winners?

How many games did you want us to win before playing the billionaires boys team?
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« Reply #2146 on: January 4, 2019, 03:20:30 AM »
Another factor to consider is our bad form in January under Klopp.

It's a different team now (in mentality and quality), but we will have to turn these upcoming results on it's head to give us a shot.
I seem to remember last year was fine. 2017 was the nightmare January. This current squad has so much more depth than it did then. I think a repeat is unlikely.

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« Reply #2147 on: January 4, 2019, 03:22:20 AM »
We are hardly serial winners?

How many games did you want us to win before playing the billionaires boys team?
The original quote was about winning the title, so I carried on with the assumption that “winning” in this case meant the trophy itself. Not individual games.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2148 on: January 4, 2019, 03:22:37 AM »
Mad.

Set our best record for a start to a season.
Won the most games we've ever won in a calendar month.

And it fell apart to a team who have spent billions on their team? Seriously? Can we wait 3-4 league games before writing this ridiculous form off?
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« Reply #2149 on: January 4, 2019, 03:26:57 AM »
Mad.

Set our best record for a start to a season.
Won the most games we've ever won in a calendar month.

And it fell apart to a team who have spent billions on their team? Seriously? Can we wait 3-4 league games before writing this ridiculous form off?
Agreed. I posted before the game about how it was just that, one single game. The media hyped it up as so much more, but in the broader context of the season it’s really not the decider some seem to think it is.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2150 on: January 4, 2019, 03:29:49 AM »
No one is talking about Spurs, that will suit them. I don't think they can be discounted quite yet.

Don't worry, there's always you to talk about Spurs so it's never no-one. :)

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« Reply #2151 on: January 4, 2019, 03:30:04 AM »
Agreed. I posted before the game about how it was just that, one single game. The media hyped it up as so much more, but in the broader context of the season it’s really not the decider some seem to think it is.

It makes it harder, certainly. But we are Liverpool, nothing is ever going to be easy for us. We can't win it on sub 87 like Leicester, we need to get 90 or higher. But we are all on the same team, it's all still possible. Let's get behind the lads. I thought they gave as good as they got and it's never, ever, fucking over when you've got a 4 point lead.
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« Reply #2152 on: January 4, 2019, 03:35:01 AM »
It's fucking on. What more do you want? 10 or 7 points clear would have been ridiculous. We are in a title race. We went from starting this thread talking about how could we ever get close to them, being 4 points behind them and miles off the goal difference, to 4 points clear and level on goal difference.

Tonight was horrible. I was so upset at losing, but by god we have a football team here and do you think they are going to go away and lick their wounds under Klopp or come back out fighting? We're in this for the long haul. Strap yourselves in. We never win anything easy and if you want us to win this league title, be ready for more twists and turns.

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« Reply #2153 on: January 4, 2019, 04:26:59 AM »
Looking at the fixtures, worst case scenario is that they literally don't drop anymore points from here onwards going on a (possible, but improbable 18 match winning run)  - they'll end up at 101 points.

We would be, then, "allowed" to either: A) lose or draw one match, and be crowned champions by either one or two points, respectively, or B) draw two matches and hope we've got a better Goal Difference than them by the end of the season because we'll be both on 101 points.

That's, again, the worst case scenario of assuming they won't drop any points again - it would still be in our hands, but it'd be incredibly nerve wracking, and option B there reminds me too much of 13/14's Crystal Palace game, so it makes me shudder and wish it doesn't come down to that.

If they drop points along the way (hopefully due to Wolves, Arsenal, Chelsea and/or Spurs) then obviously our job gets a bit easier - still not enough to let complacency in, but we'd get a bit more breathing space. It's going to be tight, anyway, but we have to keep believing. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get a lucky break in such a crucial stage after years of rotten luck in similar instances (Macheda's goal in 08/09; Stevie's literal slipping in 13/14; Ramos injuring Salah and Bale scoring a wondergoal he'll never be able to do again back in Kiev and so on...)
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« Reply #2154 on: January 4, 2019, 04:30:04 AM »
We're four points up on Jan 3. One loss in the league. I am thrilled.  :scarf

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« Reply #2155 on: January 4, 2019, 04:36:05 AM »
Looking at the fixtures, worst case scenario is that they literally don't drop anymore points from here onwards going on a (possible, but improbable 18 match winning run)  - they'll end up at 101 points.

We would be, then, "allowed" to either: A) lose or draw one match, and be crowned champions by either one or two points, respectively, or B) draw two matches and hope we've got a better Goal Difference than them by the end of the season because we'll be both on 101 points.

That's, again, the worst case scenario of assuming they won't drop any points again - it would still be in our hands, but it'd be incredibly nerve wracking, and option B there reminds me too much of 13/14's Crystal Palace game, so it makes me shudder and wish it doesn't come down to that.

If they drop points along the way (hopefully due to Wolves, Arsenal, Chelsea and/or Spurs) then obviously our job gets a bit easier - still not enough to let complacency in, but we'd get a bit more breathing space. It's going to be tight, anyway, but we have to keep believing. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get a lucky break in such a crucial stage after years of rotten luck in similar instances (Macheda's goal in 08/09; Stevie's literal slipping in 13/14; Ramos injuring Salah and Bale scoring a wondergoal he'll never be able to do again, back in Kiev and so on...)

On their day they can probably be the best side in the world. But 3 losses in the first half of the season shows they're not going to play like they did against us in every single game. They were beaten three times and had a few close calls as well - Watford springs to mind. That could have ended 2-2. They're not going to win the remaining 18 games and finish with 101 points, of that I am certain. There are some difficult matches in their fixture list as well. Plus, the Palace and Leicester games showed that they're more likely to drop unexpected points than us. Top that off with what hopefully will be a grueling CL campaign, and I think 90+ points wins the league. With Guardiola being a pragmatist, I think if they find themselves any more than 4 points behind by the time the CL comes back again (certainly the quarter finals) he'll throw all his eggs in that basket and will give up on the league. He just seems like a quitter if the chips are heavily stacked against him.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2156 on: January 4, 2019, 05:05:00 AM »
Win the next three league games and get to the start of Feb when they have a couple of tricky ones. Need to still be 4 clear at the start of March but think there is a real chance to extend that by then

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« Reply #2157 on: January 4, 2019, 06:05:48 AM »
Spurs & Man City both have 6 games between now and the end of the month while we only have 4. That's got to put some sort of pressure on their squads over ours. Even if they are playing 'lesser' teams.
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« Reply #2158 on: January 4, 2019, 06:25:15 AM »
Spurs & Man City both have 6 games between now and the end of the month while we only have 4. That's got to put some sort of pressure on their squads over ours. Even if they are playing 'lesser' teams.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2159 on: January 4, 2019, 06:26:45 AM »
It also means they’ll most likely be ahead of us, I really hope our crowd holds its bottle because it’s important to team performance that it does.

Why would they be ahead of us? We play the same number of league games?