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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16960 on: May 21, 2019, 09:21:25 AM »
Good to see a much less reactive approach in this thread than might have been possible. I think you accept you’re a very good side and will be there again next year, and I think it’ll be another fantastic season for both sides to make for some good competition. I have a feeling you might go one better next year in the league. Also nice to have the CL final to look forward to as well so best of luck there!

I won’t make a case for the impressiveness of a domestic treble because it speaks for itself, it’s never been done before, but I do find the easy draws argument a bit lazy, especially alongside a title race requiring 98 points! The only teams you can draw in the cup are the teams left in the competition, and you only remain in the competition if you win. To play easy teams the entire way means they’ve all knocked the other ‘not so easy’ teams out. If you want to make the competition difficult then all the good sides have to beat the easy sides right the way through, unless they’re not so easy after all. It’s bizarre to all go out the competition but then label the entire thing easy to win every game in.

You got the easiest possible draw in both the league cup and FA Cup in pretty much every single round. Drawing Newport, Swansea, Brighton was totally predictable before the balls were even in the bowl. How many teams actually played to get anything from City in the league in the last 10 games? Maybe 2? The sooner you fuck off back to division 2 the better. Cheating fucking scum.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16961 on: May 21, 2019, 10:49:01 AM »
Think this thread needs to go into hibernation till next season..  ;D
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16962 on: May 21, 2019, 10:54:01 AM »
Think this thread needs to go into hibernation till next season..  ;D

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16963 on: May 21, 2019, 01:03:23 PM »
Good to see a much less reactive approach in this thread than might have been possible. I think you accept you’re a very good side and will be there again next year, and I think it’ll be another fantastic season for both sides to make for some good competition. I have a feeling you might go one better next year in the league. Also nice to have the CL final to look forward to as well so best of luck there!

I won’t make a case for the impressiveness of a domestic treble because it speaks for itself, it’s never been done before, but I do find the easy draws argument a bit lazy, especially alongside a title race requiring 98 points! The only teams you can draw in the cup are the teams left in the competition, and you only remain in the competition if you win. To play easy teams the entire way means they’ve all knocked the other ‘not so easy’ teams out. If you want to make the competition difficult then all the good sides have to beat the easy sides right the way through, unless they’re not so easy after all. It’s bizarre to all go out the competition but then label the entire thing easy to win every game in.

If City are interested in competition then stop cheating.

Regarding how difficult a treble is then surely the level of opposition you face in the cups is hugely relevant. It doesn't need much brainpower to understand that. A treble in which you face competitive games in each round is much harder to win than a succession of walkovers with City being huge odds on in every tie.

City for me are killing the cups. You have done everything in your power to nullify the chance of an upset. Through a style of play that runs the opposition in top the ground and then brings on a hundred million pounds worth of players to finish the game off.

Cups used to be about upsets, about the opposition players raising their game, about a few of your players having an off night or picking up injuries along the way.

The Swansea tie is the perfect example. They played magnificently, scored fantastic goals and deserved their victory. It didn't happen because City are cheats and are financially doped up to the eyeballs. You started the game with a front six of Sane, Jesus, Mahrez, the Silvas and Gundogan. When that didn't work you brought on Sterling, Aguero and Zinchenko. If you had played by the rules and adhered to FFP that simply wouldn't be possible.

As I said you are killing the cups. What is the point of teams picking their best eleven and giving it everything when City have a quarter of a billion pounds worth of talent sitting on the bench waiting to subvert any fair outcome. Look at Schalke threatening to field their reserves against you.

All City fans must know deep down that it isn't right what you are doing.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16964 on: May 21, 2019, 01:32:26 PM »
Think this thread needs to go into hibernation till next season..  ;D

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16965 on: May 21, 2019, 01:32:41 PM »
What’s new under the sun? We know their cheats but I feel we are giving them too much energy, we’ve already seen this happen before with Chelsea cheats too, or Milan a team that most would praise on here bankrolled by millions and a billionaire owner, the cheating didn’t stop them from losing to Spurs and it won’t stop us from winning the league next year, they get stronger we get stronger, and when we do win it will feel far more deserved or rewarding..

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16966 on: May 21, 2019, 01:51:45 PM »
Taking my Liverpool supporter hat off for a moment and putting a 'state of the game' one on...

Honestly, I find the whole thing getting a bit boring if City romp to another 98-100+ total next season. Jonathan Wilson (who I actually think is pretty bad at analysing football on the pitch) did an article the other day on the prospect of a European Super League. I've always thought it sounded like a shit, tacky money-grab initially but I'm starting to come round to the idea if FIFA/UEFA aren't going to take financial doping that seriously. Ultimately, I think the European elite will get what they want (more money) and the smaller teams will start feeling like they might have a chance of winning things again?

7 on the trot for Bayern. 8 for Juventus. City with 100 and 98 points back to back. PSG dominating Ligue 1. PSV/Ajax in Holland.

My economics is not that hot, but this is just the predictable trend of the transfer market being totally unregulated and free, right? Inequality is inevitable.
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« Reply #16967 on: May 21, 2019, 02:00:04 PM »
For the first time in 10 years, a side won the league in consecutive seasons so England doesn't have the problem that Italy has with Juventus being better than everyoen else [Napoli had a good chance in Sarri's last year, Milan have self combusted since selling Thiago Silva and Ibrahimovic so that's more their fault than Juventus being good], Prior to PSG, Lyon won the league 8 times in a row, but even with PSG's wealth the likes of Lille,Montepellier,and Monaco have won it in the last 10,11 years.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16968 on: May 21, 2019, 02:06:55 PM »
Won it in consecutive seasons with record points totals!

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« Reply #16969 on: May 21, 2019, 02:14:05 PM »
Won it in consecutive seasons with record points totals!

Point still stands though, they didn't just get wealthy two years ago, they've had this financial banking for how long now?


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16970 on: May 21, 2019, 02:57:19 PM »
Personally I'm happy for us to keep binning off the domestic cups. Let City win them while we focus all our energy on the ones that matter. Almost worked this season.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16971 on: May 22, 2019, 02:38:21 AM »
What’s new under the sun? We know their cheats but I feel we are giving them too much energy, we’ve already seen this happen before with Chelsea cheats too, or Milan a team that most would praise on here bankrolled by millions and a billionaire owner, the cheating didn’t stop them from losing to Spurs and it won’t stop us from winning the league next year, they get stronger we get stronger, and when we do win it will feel far more deserved or rewarding..

The moment you stop reprehending people for cheating and let standards and decency slide is when you start the slippery slope. The people who thrive on breaking conventions and rules thrive on the misconception that fairness or even-handedness will eventually even itself out.

We have politicians now who personify that. City personify that in terms of Football.

City are the Donald Trump of Football. They break every rule in the book and then use their PR machine to drown out any opposition. Any valid questions are fake news. 
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16972 on: May 22, 2019, 10:03:39 AM »
It comes down to strategy, Al. Our domestic cup record under FSG is shockingly bad and I would suggest that is because they have a) generally preferred to load the wages into a core of say 14-16 players, rather than spreading it more thinly across 18-20 and b) made it clear to our managers that the cups are not a priority.
Yup. Which means that we're further contributing to the free fall in prestige that the domestic cups are experiencing, and thereby also dimishing the value of City's treble. Historically it was a real achievement to win these titles, but not anymore. Winning the PL title consecutive seasons is, especially against the best #2 in history.

Personally, I couldn't care less. The domestic cups have been doomed for more than a decade. Why would fans care about a competition that the players and clubs don't care about, and vice versa? Having only one cup might reduce the bleeding a bit, but it's too late anyway.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16973 on: May 23, 2019, 11:11:43 PM »
If city lost and we won the final game does that mean we would of had a trophy waiting at anfield?

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« Reply #16974 on: May 23, 2019, 11:14:13 PM »
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16975 on: May 24, 2019, 12:01:08 AM »
If city lost and we won the final game does that mean we would of had a trophy waiting at anfield?

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16976 on: May 25, 2019, 12:15:41 AM »
i have huge faith in our team, but none in the other sides to take points off City in the league. Sadly I think the only way to win the title next year is to win both games against them

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16977 on: May 25, 2019, 09:55:19 AM »
i have huge faith in our team, but none in the other sides to take points off City in the league. Sadly I think the only way to win the title next year is to win both games against them
The rest of the league took more points off them than they did off us. We got 96 points out of the other 18 teams, City 94. Our record against the bottom 10 was 20 wins out of 20! The fact is we’re both just that much better than the rest and the main challenge is to win 30+games again regardless of who it is against. Of course, our direct results against City will be massivly important again next season.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16978 on: May 25, 2019, 03:04:59 PM »
The rest of the league took more points off them than they did off us. We got 96 points out of the other 18 teams, City 94. Our record against the bottom 10 was 20 wins out of 20! The fact is we’re both just that much better than the rest and the main challenge is to win 30+games again regardless of who it is against. Of course, our direct results against City will be massivly important again next season.

Good post. If nothing else, this season should go some way to dispel this narrative that Liverpool's problem over the years have been that we couldnt beat 'the rest of the league'. It might have been true in some single season or other since 1992, but mostly it just seems like a horrible cliché. For every one of our near-successes over the recent years, there is a story that is singular to that season, none of them can reasonably be reduced to "if only we'd have beaten the teams we should have".
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« Reply #16979 on: May 25, 2019, 06:48:27 PM »
Good post. If nothing else, this season should go some way to dispel this narrative that Liverpool's problem over the years have been that we couldnt beat 'the rest of the league'. It might have been true in some single season or other since 1992, but mostly it just seems like a horrible cliché.[b/] For every one of our near-successes over the recent years, there is a story that is singular to that season, none of them can reasonably be reduced to "if only we'd have beaten the teams we should have".

I think it was true in a lot more than a season or two, to be fair. There have been a number of seasons where we have had great results against the challengers at the top, but then followed it up with lost points against teams much further down the table. This had been a source of frustration for a long time. This season was much different, of course. We both crushed the supposed lesser sides, but Abu Dhabi just shaded the head-to-heads with us, thus giving them the crown.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16980 on: May 25, 2019, 07:05:21 PM »
I think it was true in a lot more than a season or two, to be fair. There have been a number of seasons where we have had great results against the challengers at the top, but then followed it up with lost points against teams much further down the table. This had been a source of frustration for a long time. This season was much different, of course. We both crushed the supposed lesser sides, but Abu Dhabi just shaded the head-to-heads with us, thus giving them the crown.

Agree with that. 08/09 had more ‘what its’ than this season. We took 6 points off United and Chelsea that season but definitely had a few too many draws (it happens, and we had injury problems throughout). But this season we really do about as well as we could have, just losing that City game is the only one that got away (and even then we played well enough to draw).

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« Reply #16981 on: May 26, 2019, 10:06:01 AM »
I think it was true in a lot more than a season or two, to be fair. There have been a number of seasons where we have had great results against the challengers at the top, but then followed it up with lost points against teams much further down the table. This had been a source of frustration for a long time.

I think it happens with every team though, but LFC fans notice it more when it's us. A bit like how all football supporters seem to have the impression their own team are poor from set pieces, until pointed to stats that show that they actually compare well with other teams. 

For example with the 08/09 team, I agree in isolation that there were a few draws too many, and that's where we could have done better if anywhere. But we did also swing quite a few games our way with dramatic late winners from the likes of Kuyt. And we did manage 86 points with both Gerrard and Torres missing quite a few games through injury (at a time when we were called a two man team). So it's more fair IMO to remember it overall as an impressive achievement to reach that points total, than primarily as a season where we threw away too many points.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16982 on: May 26, 2019, 10:56:17 AM »
I think it was true in a lot more than a season or two, to be fair. There have been a number of seasons where we have had great results against the challengers at the top, but then followed it up with lost points against teams much further down the table. This had been a source of frustration for a long time. This season was much different, of course. We both crushed the supposed lesser sides, but Abu Dhabi just shaded the head-to-heads with us, thus giving them the crown.

All that may be true but until we get a 20+ a season striker we will never win the league
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16983 on: May 26, 2019, 11:15:17 AM »
All that may be true but until we get a 20+ a season striker we will never win the league

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« Reply #16984 on: May 26, 2019, 11:21:40 AM »
Next season the big games are key. Dont like to bemoan luck but look at when we played Arsenal and United to when Manchester City played them.

Also we played Man City at home in a small difficult period on the back of a tough trip to Napoli.

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« Reply #16985 on: May 26, 2019, 11:35:54 AM »
Meh, I really think the draw will decide the title, if we get our big games in the right periods we can fly
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« Reply #16986 on: May 27, 2019, 09:04:54 AM »
All that may be true but until we get a 20+ a season striker we will never win the league

How can you say that when we ended the season with 97 POINTS. Unbelievable comment. We've had bad luck to be in the same era as this unbelievable city team and that's all it is. People are saying that we shouldn't of drawn here and there but at the end of the day apart from leicester and west ham all our draws were AWAY to the big 6 (apart from city). In a regular season the results are PERFECT, beat your rivals at home and make sure you don't win away. We can't expect our team to win 37 out of 38. To say we need a 20+ goal striker otherwise we wont win the league is nonsense.

I went a bit off topic in regards to the point on a striker, yes i do agree we need to bring in a striker to replace sturridge who can be relied on to score off the bench. It's hard to find a striker to sit on the bench and come one and score consistently. Kind of like chicharito was at united.
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« Reply #16987 on: May 27, 2019, 09:08:32 AM »
How can you say that when we ended the season with 97 POINTS. Unbelievable comment. We've had bad luck to be in the same era as this unbelievable city team and that's all it is. People are saying that we shouldn't of drawn here and there but at the end of the day apart from leicester and west ham all our draws were AWAY to the big 6 (apart from city). In a regular season the results are PERFECT, beat your rivals at home and make sure you don't win away. We can't expect our team to win 37 out of 38. To say we need a 20+ goal striker otherwise we wont win the league is nonsense.

I went a bit off topic in regards to the point on a striker, yes i do agree we need to bring in a striker to replace sturridge who can be relied on to score off the bench. It's hard to find a striker to sit on the bench and come one and score consistently. Kind of like chicharito was at united.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16988 on: May 27, 2019, 09:11:09 AM »
How can you say that when we ended the season with 97 POINTS. Unbelievable comment. We've had bad luck to be in the same era as this unbelievable city team and that's all it is. People are saying that we shouldn't of drawn here and there but at the end of the day apart from leicester and west ham all our draws were AWAY to the big 6 (apart from city). In a regular season the results are PERFECT, beat your rivals at home and make sure you don't win away. We can't expect our team to win 37 out of 38. To say we need a 20+ goal striker otherwise we wont win the league is nonsense.

I went a bit off topic in regards to the point on a striker, yes i do agree we need to bring in a striker to replace sturridge who can be relied on to score off the bench. It's hard to find a striker to sit on the bench and come one and score consistently. Kind of like chicharito was at united.

It was an obvious fish, I can't believe he caught anyone with that. We just had two players share the golden boot!!  :D

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16990 on: May 27, 2019, 09:24:35 AM »
It was an obvious fish, I can't believe he caught anyone with that. We just had two players share the golden boot!!  :D

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« Reply #16992 on: May 27, 2019, 09:41:52 AM »
HAHA damn  ;D

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« Reply #16993 on: May 27, 2019, 01:27:27 PM »
I watched a YouTube video and decided that Paul Konchesky looked like a player.
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« Reply #16994 on: May 27, 2019, 05:54:15 PM »
Just seen on twitter the fixtures for the new season will be out on the 13th June.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16995 on: June 1, 2019, 10:18:29 PM »
Looks like the title chase eventually paid off with a massive trophy?  :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ :champ
« Last Edit: June 1, 2019, 10:35:12 PM by Linudden »