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« Reply #26040 on: September 3, 2019, 10:44:16 PM »
Tory rebels given second chance to prove loyalty tomorrow before losing whip, says Leadsom

Andrea Leadsom, the business secretary, has signalled that the Tory rebels will not have the whip removed immediately. In an interview with BBC, she said that she hoped that the MPs who voted against the government would “reconsider overnight” and decide to vote with the government to defeat the bill tomorrow. Asked if they would lose the whip immediately, she said they wouldn’t. They would get a second chance, she said.

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« Reply #26041 on: September 3, 2019, 10:45:13 PM »
PM's new proposed election date is 15 October
After criticism that the originally proposed date of 14 October would exclude religious Jews, because of a clash with the festival of Succot, the government has made a change.

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg says that if enough MPs back the motion for a general election, it will now be held a day later, on 15 October.

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« Reply #26042 on: September 3, 2019, 10:46:05 PM »
Can someone explain to me the consequence of being de-selected and losing the whip?
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« Reply #26043 on: September 3, 2019, 10:46:16 PM »
They may be Tories and I have very strong disagreements with them but they've just sacrificed their careers for the country.

Fair fucking play.

They are fed up with being bullied by a same gang of thunderklunts. Might be the start of the tory's being able to cleanse their party of the far right loons.
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« Reply #26044 on: September 3, 2019, 10:46:24 PM »
Look at the names though, they could remove the whip from hem and half would be re-elected as independents..

It makes it worse and worse.  What an absurd strategy.  It’s so silly it almost purposefully so.
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« Reply #26045 on: September 3, 2019, 10:46:39 PM »
Can someone explain to me the consequence of being de-selected and losing the whip?

It means they cannot represent the Tory party, but they can stand as Independents.
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« Reply #26046 on: September 3, 2019, 10:47:20 PM »
Can someone explain to me the consequence of being de-selected and losing the whip?
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« Reply #26047 on: September 3, 2019, 10:47:31 PM »
Tory rebels given second chance to prove loyalty tomorrow before losing whip, says Leadsom

Andrea Leadsom, the business secretary, has signalled that the Tory rebels will not have the whip removed immediately. In an interview with BBC, she said that she hoped that the MPs who voted against the government would “reconsider overnight” and decide to vote with the government to defeat the bill tomorrow. Asked if they would lose the whip immediately, she said they wouldn’t. They would get a second chance, she said.
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« Reply #26048 on: September 3, 2019, 10:47:40 PM »
Tory rebels given second chance to prove loyalty tomorrow before losing whip, says Leadsom

Andrea Leadsom, the business secretary, has signalled that the Tory rebels will not have the whip removed immediately. In an interview with BBC, she said that she hoped that the MPs who voted against the government would “reconsider overnight” and decide to vote with the government to defeat the bill tomorrow. Asked if they would lose the whip immediately, she said they wouldn’t. They would get a second chance, she said.

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I hope that doesn’t affect anything tomorrow.

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Re: Brexit Pretty much living the Orwellian future in Airstrip One
« Reply #26049 on: September 3, 2019, 10:47:44 PM »
I don’t want to sound thick, but could someone please explain like I’m 5, exactly what’s happened?

From my understanding as of tomorrow MP’s can propose a bill to take no deal off the table for good, and the government have no way of stopping it if this is voted in?

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« Reply #26050 on: September 3, 2019, 10:48:36 PM »
Surely it's in Labour's best interests tactically to not back an election until an extension from the EU has been confirmed?

Passing the bill tomorrow is pointless if there's going to be an election before the 31st of October.
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« Reply #26051 on: September 3, 2019, 10:48:52 PM »
Johnson believes he'll win an outright majority by promising to leave the EU by 31st October, extrapolating from Peston. But do the polls support that?
Those polls are all academic now we’ve just seen the most incompetent government display in our lifetimes.  It’s the next poll that will be interesting.
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« Reply #26052 on: September 3, 2019, 10:49:06 PM »
Respect to those who put the country ahead of their careers. Not an easy decision to make.

Boris is turning out to be quite a little dictator, far more dangerous than the mumbling buffoon of the last few months.

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« Reply #26053 on: September 3, 2019, 10:49:08 PM »
They are fed up with being bullied by a same gang of thunderklunts. Might be the start of the tory's being able to cleanse their party of the far right loons.

That party is lost to the right. More likely it's the start of a formal split. I suspect Johnson's hoping to preempt that by packing cronies in their place.
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« Reply #26054 on: September 3, 2019, 10:50:03 PM »
It means they cannot represent the Tory party, but they can stand as Independents.

Means the Tories will have 294 MPs, means the opposition benches with all the other party's would have total of 297 MPs.

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« Reply #26055 on: September 3, 2019, 10:50:27 PM »
Interesting line from Johnson tonight...

I will get a deal form Brussels even if it’s not on the 31st October... this seems to have been missed .... he’s just admitted he won’t get to leave then....


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« Reply #26056 on: September 3, 2019, 10:50:29 PM »
::)

I hope that doesn’t affect anything tomorrow.

I don't think they will. More and more stories are being shared at how angry the Government have made them. I have this vision of Cummings throwing Moggs across a room tonight.
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« Reply #26057 on: September 3, 2019, 10:50:58 PM »
Means the Tories will have 294 MPs, means the opposition benches with all the other party's would have total of 297 MPs.
Don’t forget some labour MPs are very much Brexit loonies too
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« Reply #26058 on: September 3, 2019, 10:51:11 PM »
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« Reply #26059 on: September 3, 2019, 10:51:35 PM »
Means the Tories will have 294 MPs, means the opposition benches with all the other party's would have total of 297 MPs.

Yep, no way he could push anything through with those numbers. Some really interesting days ahead now.
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« Reply #26060 on: September 3, 2019, 10:51:43 PM »
A Tory/BXP alliance has me worried, especially if they plan to not field candidates in the right seats as to not split their votes. Labour on the other hand have got the Lib Dem’s splitting their vote in half, and the LD increase largely being down to hoovering up dissatisfied Labour voters.

Right now Parliament has Boris by the balls, time to make the most of it.

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« Reply #26061 on: September 3, 2019, 10:51:56 PM »
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I hope that doesn’t affect anything tomorrow.
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« Reply #26062 on: September 3, 2019, 10:52:10 PM »
I don't think they will. More and more stories are being shared at how angry the Government have made them. I have this vision of Cummings throwing Moggs across a room tonight.
And Johnson got savaged by Corbyn... who would have ever seen that coming?

And Corbyn actually listened to labour voters.  Won’t do no deal and a public vote....

Weird times
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« Reply #26063 on: September 3, 2019, 10:53:16 PM »
Interesting line from Johnson tonight...

I will get a deal form Brussels even if it’s not on the 31st October... this seems to have been missed .... he’s just admitted he won’t get to leave then....


Hmmmm

This is Johnson's full statement.

 
Let there be no doubt about the consequences of this vote tonight.
It means that parliament is on the brink of wrecking any deal we might be able to strike in Brussels.
Because tomorrow’s bill would hand control of the negotiations to the EU.
And that would mean more dither, more delay, more confusion.
And it would mean that the EU themselves would be able decide how long to keep this country in the EU.
And since I refuse to go along with that plan we are going to have to make a choice. I don’t want an election. The public don’t want an election. But if the House votes for this bill tomorrow, the public will have to choose who goes to Brussels on October 17 to sort this out and take this country forward.
Everyone will know if the Rt Hon Gentleman is the prime minister, he will go to Brussels, he will beg for an extension, you will accept whatever Brussels demands and we’ll have years more arguments over Brexit.
And by contrast, everyone will know that if I am prime minister, I will go to Brussels, I will go for a deal and get a deal but if they won’t do a deal we will leave anyway on 31 October.
The people of this country will have to choose.
The leader of the Opposition has been begging for an election for two years.
I don’t want an election but if MPs vote tomorrow to stop the negotiations and to compel another pointless delay of Brexit, potentially for years, then that will be the only way to resolve this.
I can confirm that tonight we will are tabling a motion under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act.
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« Reply #26064 on: September 3, 2019, 10:54:08 PM »
I don’t want to sound thick, but could someone please explain like I’m 5, exactly what’s happened?

From my understanding as of tomorrow MP’s can propose a bill to take no deal off the table for good, and the government have no way of stopping it if this is voted in?

Tomorrow MPs will try to begin the process to pass a law to force the prime minister to ask for and accept an extension to stay in the EU until 31st January. If EU offer a different date, Parliament gets 2 days to decide whether it wants to accept. If Prime Minister has passed a deal, no need for extension.

Government's best way of stopping it now is to waste time so it doesn't get through the Lords before Parliament shuts down. If it becomes law then Johnson would have to follow it or break the law. If he breaks the law then I think Parliament would first quickly legislate to remove his power to be involved in the decision so it happens without needing him. And then they'd remove him from office.
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« Reply #26065 on: September 3, 2019, 10:56:41 PM »
Ah I get you thanks for explaining.

Seems progress has actually been made in this shit show.

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« Reply #26066 on: September 3, 2019, 10:56:41 PM »
Vicky Young at the BBC now saying the rebels will lose their whips tonight. I think the word is confusion......
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« Reply #26067 on: September 3, 2019, 10:56:45 PM »
This is Johnson's full statement.

 
Let there be no doubt about the consequences of this vote tonight.
It means that parliament is on the brink of wrecking any deal we might be able to strike in Brussels.
Because tomorrow’s bill would hand control of the negotiations to the EU.
And that would mean more dither, more delay, more confusion.
And it would mean that the EU themselves would be able decide how long to keep this country in the EU.
And since I refuse to go along with that plan we are going to have to make a choice. I don’t want an election. The public don’t want an election. But if the House votes for this bill tomorrow, the public will have to choose who goes to Brussels on October 17 to sort this out and take this country forward.
Everyone will know if the Rt Hon Gentleman is the prime minister, he will go to Brussels, he will beg for an extension, you will accept whatever Brussels demands and we’ll have years more arguments over Brexit.
And by contrast, everyone will know that if I am prime minister, I will go to Brussels, I will go for a deal and get a deal but if they won’t do a deal we will leave anyway on 31 October.
The people of this country will have to choose.
The leader of the Opposition has been begging for an election for two years.
I don’t want an election but if MPs vote tomorrow to stop the negotiations and to compel another pointless delay of Brexit, potentially for years, then that will be the only way to resolve this.
I can confirm that tonight we will are tabling a motion under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act.

Ah missed because he didn’t say it then ;D

What he does says is essentially that they will ignore any bill passed....

Which would be shocking.
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« Reply #26068 on: September 3, 2019, 10:56:53 PM »
A Tory/BXP alliance has me worried, especially if they plan to not field candidates in the right seats as to not split their votes. Labour on the other hand have got the Lib Dem’s splitting their vote in half, and the LD increase largely being down to hoovering up dissatisfied Labour voters.

Right now Parliament has Boris by the balls, time to make the most of it.
Yeah, Tories/Brexit would win if they followed that idea. You only need to look at the by election in Wales last month, Brexit took about 4K votes away from the Tories. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Tories stand down in the north and hope Brexit can take Labour down. What happens next though? Back to Brussels for more talks?

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« Reply #26069 on: September 3, 2019, 10:57:30 PM »
I don’t want to sound thick, but could someone please explain like I’m 5, exactly what’s happened?

From my understanding as of tomorrow MP’s can propose a bill to take no deal off the table for good, and the government have no way of stopping it if this is voted in?
Today - opposition have voted to seize control of timetable tomorrow, to discuss and vote on...
Tomorrow - a bill forcing Johnson to seek an extension if a deal is not secured at EU summit 17th October and MPs don't then say "ok, let's leave without a deal (not happening)…

But - Johnson will seek a general election; first under Fixed Term Parliaments Act requiring 2/3 majority - Labour to oppose, as he could shift the date to post-31/10. Second, he could try to do so with a ludicrously simple bypassing of the FTPA (which calls into question the point of it), with a simple majority - but that is open to amendments. Finally he could table a vote of no confidence in himself, which might result in an election, but might lead to a Government of National Unity instead. And, possibly, cancel prorogation...

And... stuff.
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« Reply #26070 on: September 3, 2019, 10:58:24 PM »

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« Reply #26071 on: September 3, 2019, 10:58:57 PM »
Interesting that this only happened as a result of them proroguing Parliament.

Thems the breaks eh?
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« Reply #26072 on: September 3, 2019, 11:00:12 PM »
And well played Jeremy Corbyn. Dare I say he listened to the advice of Tony Blair?

Now he should take up John’s suggestion, resign and intimate to his followers that they should vote for Yvette Cooper (or Hilary Benn) as his successor. Johnson would then be well and truly up shit’s creek.
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« Reply #26073 on: September 3, 2019, 11:01:41 PM »
Surely it's in Labour's best interests tactically to not back an election until an extension from the EU has been confirmed?

Passing the bill tomorrow is pointless if there's going to be an election before the 31st of October.

It won't clear the Lords until next week at best. Think Monday is the intended day for the Commons to try and deal with amendments. Once you're past 10th/11th then the election won't happen until after the European Council meeting (emergency one is possible, I suppose) on 17th October. And unless Parliament isn't shut down then there's no time to legislate to reduce the legally required time for a campaign.
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Re: Brexit Pretty much living the Orwellian future in Airstrip One
« Reply #26074 on: September 3, 2019, 11:01:58 PM »
Vicky Young at the BBC now saying the rebels will lose their whips tonight. I think the word is confusion......

Ironic isn't it considering Bozo's hero is Churchill & he's about to kick Churchill's grandson Nicholas Soames out of the party. :o.

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Re: Brexit Pretty much living the Orwellian future in Airstrip One
« Reply #26075 on: September 3, 2019, 11:02:03 PM »
Rory Stewart won't stand for re-election.
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Re: Brexit Pretty much living the Orwellian future in Airstrip One
« Reply #26076 on: September 3, 2019, 11:02:13 PM »
If thats true Labour shouldn't vote for an Election and make them suffer vote after vote.

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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has officially removed the whip from all of tonight’s Tory rebels.

The Tories are now a minority administration by -23 MPs.
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Re: Brexit Pretty much living the Orwellian future in Airstrip One
« Reply #26077 on: September 3, 2019, 11:03:18 PM »
Rory Stewart won't stand for re-election.
Quite surprised by that...
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Re: Brexit Pretty much living the Orwellian future in Airstrip One
« Reply #26078 on: September 3, 2019, 11:03:56 PM »
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Government source: "The Chief Whip is speaking to Tory MPs who did not vote with the Govt this evening. They will have the Tory whip removed."

So Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is going to expel 21 Tory MPs, including two former chancellors and Churchill's grandson.
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Re: Brexit Pretty much living the Orwellian future in Airstrip One
« Reply #26079 on: September 3, 2019, 11:04:57 PM »
There are going to be a lot of new faces at the next election, on both sides of the house.