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« Reply #22440 on: May 14, 2019, 08:58:38 PM »
"No 10 confirms they will bring back withdrawal bill back week after MPs recess - same first week of June as Trump here - less clear whether there will be deal with Labour by then that would give the bill a real chance of passing" - Beeb's Laura Kuenssberg

Believe the stated plan is to then try to go to indicative voting should (when, surely) it fails to get through Parliament. Of course, there's little incentive for anyone opposed to the Withdrawal Bill (whatever new form it takes) to agree to be bound by any further voting which isn't certain to return the result they want. And round and round it goes.
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« Reply #22441 on: May 14, 2019, 09:06:32 PM »
"No 10 confirms they will bring back withdrawal bill back week after MPs recess - same first week of June as Trump here - less clear whether there will be deal with Labour by then that would give the bill a real chance of passing" - Beeb's Laura Kuenssberg

Believe the stated plan is to then try to go to indicative voting should (when, surely) it fails to get through Parliament. Of course, there's little incentive for anyone opposed to the Withdrawal Bill (whatever new form it takes) to agree to be bound by any further voting which isn't certain to return the result they want. And round and round it goes.


And also the By-election in Peterborough.
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« Reply #22442 on: May 14, 2019, 09:11:07 PM »

And also the By-election in Peterborough.

Aye. Although in terms of the Withdrawal Bill, Trump's visit may actually matter if they're trying to win over Tory votes with promises of trade deals with the US. Think story to Peterborough is if Labour fail to retain it, isn't it? Should be a comfortable win for Labour at this stage in the election cycle, even more so as they'll be vigorously opposing the Withdrawal Agreement and pulling in the 'remain' vote?
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« Reply #22443 on: May 15, 2019, 12:51:59 AM »
Am sure Labour would not be in crisis if they had more MPs like Murray. yet we are still stuck with Corbyn.


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« Reply #22444 on: May 15, 2019, 06:29:57 AM »
Starmer's being sent out to try and woo 'remainers'.

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Labour are effectively running two campaigns here. Starmer is not describing 'Labour's alternative plan' either. As one clever political pundit put it, the split has happened across both parties and we're just waiting for the admin to catch-up.

Will be Yougov polling out tomorrow which has been called 'punchy' by one of the academics involved in commissioning it.

edit: here's the GE version.


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« Reply #22445 on: May 15, 2019, 07:40:04 AM »
It's been Labours policy for the last three years to give crumbs to remain voters while their actions speak otherwise. Its nothing new. Its boring.

Yeah, although I suppose point was really about eg newly selected candidates heading out and campaigning in direct opposition to what is coming out of the leader's office. Agree on there being a huge disconnect between what is being said for this campaign and what will be done. In addition to your reaction to it, would also suggest that it's also just going to piss even more people off if they buy into the remain facing campaign and then find Corbyn saying he's been thoroughly vindicated, in wanting to pass the Withdrawal Agreement, by their voting for him in the European elections.
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« Reply #22446 on: May 15, 2019, 11:53:32 AM »
"No 10 confirms they will bring back withdrawal bill back week after MPs recess - same first week of June as Trump here - less clear whether there will be deal with Labour by then that would give the bill a real chance of passing" - Beeb's Laura Kuenssberg

Believe the stated plan is to then try to go to indicative voting should (when, surely) it fails to get through Parliament. Of course, there's little incentive for anyone opposed to the Withdrawal Bill (whatever new form it takes) to agree to be bound by any further voting which isn't certain to return the result they want. And round and round it goes.

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If Mrs May's plan is defeated, Number 10 said the UK is set for no deal or for Article 50 to be revoked.

That is because the EU will not grant a further extension beyond 31 October, says BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith.

Attempts to find a cross-party compromise began after the PM's Brexit deal was rejected three times by MPs.

But government sources have told the BBC that there would not be a further attempt if the plan is rejected.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48275827

Interesting.

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« Reply #22447 on: May 15, 2019, 12:11:41 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48275827

Interesting.
Nahhh she's just trying to force leave and remain MPs to back her bill, the EU have warned us not to waste this extension but am sure they will grant a further extension if Parliament votes for a referendum.

If Mrs May's plan is defeated, Number 10 said the UK is set for no deal or for Article 50 to be revoked.

That is because the EU will not grant a further extension beyond 31 October, says BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith.

Attempts to find a cross-party compromise began after the PM's Brexit deal was rejected three times by MPs.

But government sources have told the BBC that there would not be a further attempt if the plan is rejected.
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« Reply #22448 on: May 15, 2019, 12:30:51 PM »
Nahhh she's just trying to force leave and remain MPs to back her bill, the EU have warned us not to waste this extension but an sure they will grant a further extension if Parliament votes for a referendum.

If Mrs May's plan is defeated, Number 10 said the UK is set for no deal or for Article 50 to be revoked.

That is because the EU will not grant a further extension beyond 31 October, says BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith.

Attempts to find a cross-party compromise began after the PM's Brexit deal was rejected three times by MPs.

But government sources have told the BBC that there would not be a further attempt if the plan is rejected.

Oh, I agree that the government is deliberately downplaying the chances of the EU granting us an extension. What I found intriguing is the government's claim that there would not be "a further attempt" Is that only referring to holding another vote on the implementation bill, leaving the door open to a MV4 on the Withdrawal Act after Parliament is prorogued or will there be no MV4 either? If it's the latter, then what? Resignation? Finally supporting another referendum? More indicative votes?
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« Reply #22449 on: May 15, 2019, 12:34:05 PM »
 Current suggestion is one I mentioned months back as a final scenario. Essentially the deal between May and Corbyn is more that Corbyn tries to whip abstentions on key votes as the bill progresses and May doesn't oppose amendments. Flaws to it are that wrecking amendments could actually end up turning the bill into something incompatible with what we've agreed with the EU and both of them combined are unlikely to be able to whip a majority of the commons any which way.

edit: nb - this isn't a meaningful vote. this is the actual legislation and skipping holding the mv.
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« Reply #22450 on: May 15, 2019, 12:37:22 PM »
I'd forgotten about this with the footy.

Glad to see the government getting on with it
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« Reply #22451 on: May 15, 2019, 01:10:20 PM »
Oh, I agree that the government is deliberately downplaying the chances of the EU granting us an extension. What I found intriguing is the government's claim that there would not be "a further attempt" Is that only referring to holding another vote on the implementation bill, leaving the door open to a MV4 on the Withdrawal Act after Parliament is prorogued or will there be no MV4 either? If it's the latter, then what? Resignation? Finally supporting another referendum? More indicative votes?

Think it's dead if it fails to pass. Only options really are revocation of Article 50 (at some point - not necessarily immediately), or for a new Tory PM to go to the country to get a 'no deal' mandate. Current parliament would seem to rule out anything else just from the inability to coalesce around any kind of majority but for the one against 'no deal'.
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« Reply #22452 on: May 15, 2019, 01:26:20 PM »
Oh, I agree that the government is deliberately downplaying the chances of the EU granting us an extension. What I found intriguing is the government's claim that there would not be "a further attempt" Is that only referring to holding another vote on the implementation bill, leaving the door open to a MV4 on the Withdrawal Act after Parliament is prorogued or will there be no MV4 either? If it's the latter, then what? Resignation? Finally supporting another referendum? More indicative votes?
I think the vote on Mays WA will be closer this time as a few hard leave MPs can sense Parliament is  starting to accept the argument of another referendum being the only solution to break the deadlock, she lost the last vote by 58 but from what were hearing it still won't pass. I think a decision will be made over the next few months, the EU will not grant any further extensions without hearing something solid from the UK, refusing to back Mays deal, revoke Art 50. another referendum results in a no deal hard Brexit in October, a few MPs will start to change their vote and the closest amendment vote last time (I think it lost by 12 votes but not certain) was for a confirmatory referendum so you would think this amendment is more likely to pass than Mays deal, IMO, another amendment with a referendum with Remain/Mays deal/no deal as the choices will be passed in months to come.
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« Reply #22453 on: May 15, 2019, 04:41:00 PM »
I'd forgotten about this with the footy.

Glad to see the government getting on with it
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« Reply #22454 on: May 15, 2019, 06:54:25 PM »
Think it's dead if it fails to pass. Only options really are revocation of Article 50 (at some point - not necessarily immediately), or for a new Tory PM to go to the country to get a 'no deal' mandate. Current parliament would seem to rule out anything else just from the inability to coalesce around any kind of majority but for the one against 'no deal'.

Brexit: Stephen Barclay says PM's deal is 'dead' if bill fails

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Speaking to the Lords' European Union Select Committee, Mr Barclay said the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB) will be published "as soon as possible".

He said: "I think if the House of Commons does not approve the WAB, then the Barnier deal is dead in that form and I think the House will have to then address a much more fundamental question between whether it will pursue... a no-deal option or whether it will revoke."

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« Reply #22455 on: May 15, 2019, 07:46:38 PM »
I think the vote on Mays WA will be closer this time as a few hard leave MPs can sense Parliament is  starting to accept the argument of another referendum being the only solution to break the deadlock, she lost the last vote by 58 but from what were hearing it still won't pass. I think a decision will be made over the next few months, the EU will not grant any further extensions without hearing something solid from the UK, refusing to back Mays deal, revoke Art 50. another referendum results in a no deal hard Brexit in October, a few MPs will start to change their vote and the closest amendment vote last time (I think it lost by 12 votes but not certain) was for a confirmatory referendum so you would think this amendment is more likely to pass than Mays deal, IMO, another amendment with a referendum with Remain/Mays deal/no deal as the choices will be passed in months to come.
I think it will be a bigger drubbing as they will sense that a defeat probably means toast for May and they still want a No Deal Exit to is still very much on the table
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« Reply #22456 on: May 15, 2019, 08:10:24 PM »
I think it will be a bigger drubbing as they will sense that a defeat probably means toast for May and they still want a No Deal Exit to is still very much on the table
Yeah Peston was saying the same. does a new PM increase the chances of a no deal. Parliament have control now and I doubt many Tory MPs fancy another election, am sure the Labour leadership would want one but I doubt if all Labour MPs fancy one either. it's a right mess.
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« Reply #22457 on: May 15, 2019, 09:39:13 PM »
Parliament has control of the decision so a new tory PM really only puts a bigger idiot (Johnson, Raab, one of the many others) in the driving seat of failure. So while the tories might go all out for the unicorn "no deal" nonsense it won't change parliament so nothing changes. A GE would change that but the tories won't dare do it, the new leader will want their time in the hot seat as well never mind their polling numbers.

Either its a second referendum or tories form an alliance with the devil (frottage) and the UK ends up with its trump moment. If its the later I'd say the EU will make the decision for them, chuck the Uk out and then sit back for the demands for negotiation to ease issues then they'll sign up to the 39bn and the backstop.

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« Reply #22458 on: May 15, 2019, 10:40:59 PM »
Brexit: Stephen Barclay says PM's deal is 'dead' if bill fails

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48286543

Suspect agreeing with Barclay on anything is my late shift to the right in old age.

"in that form" is an interesting qualifier - switch back to the NI only backstop? - but it's still going to need a new session of Parliament (I think - check nearest procedural expert) to do and that will require winning the vote on the Queen's speech without the DUP and have even less chance of passing through Parliament. Whole reason that May has let this session go on for so long is that she's not sure of winning that vote even with the DUP. But what is dead may never die...
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« Reply #22459 on: May 16, 2019, 07:57:41 AM »
I was reading there seems to be something dodgy going on with the Brexit party Farage said that within days they have had 100,000 people sign up and pay £25 to become registered supporters on their website.

But when people have checked out the Websites data they have had, nowhere near  that amount of visitors to the site one day just 1,500 people.

Won't surprise me if some dodgy money isnt being paid in hopely it will be checked out properly. just to make sure.
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« Reply #22460 on: May 16, 2019, 07:58:47 AM »
I was reading there seems to be something dodgy going on with the Brexit party Farage said that within days they have had 100,000 people sign up and pay £25 to become registered supporters on their website.

But when people have checked out the Websites data they have had, nowhere near  that amount of visitors to the site one day just 1,500 people.

Won't surprise me if some dodgy money isnt being paid in hopely it will be checked out properly. just to make sure.

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« Reply #22461 on: May 16, 2019, 08:09:35 AM »
But when people have checked out the Websites data they have had, nowhere near  that amount of visitors to the site one day just 1,500 people.

I imagine the core demographic of the Brexit party don't use the web much and have been sending cheques.
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« Reply #22462 on: May 16, 2019, 08:48:22 AM »
Either its a second referendum or tories form an alliance with the devil (frottage) and the UK ends up with its trump moment.

Nah. What's far more likely (chillingly so) is that we end up in a similar situation to Italy with Salvini now:

- Government collapses over failure to do a deal/leave/revoke
- Tories appoint some non-entity like Raab or Leadsom as leader
- GE returns a Tory/Brexit coalition (Farage as an MP with ~ 20 Brexit MPs)
- Nige appointed deputy PM and immediately becomes the media-friendly rentaquote 'face' of the Government over the inept Tory PM
- Tories are unable to sanction/control him as they rely on his support in parliament and he's not a member so doesn't fear the '22, 'men in grey suits' etc

Weirdly, the only person able to stop us going down this route might be Boris, as he's unquestionably got a higher public profile than Farage.
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« Reply #22463 on: May 16, 2019, 10:14:37 AM »
I was reading there seems to be something dodgy going on with the Brexit party Farage said that within days they have had 100,000 people sign up and pay £25 to become registered supporters on their website.

But when people have checked out the Websites data they have had, nowhere near  that amount of visitors to the site one day just 1,500 people.

Won't surprise me if some dodgy money isnt being paid in hopely it will be checked out properly. just to make sure.
You repeat some crap, Jizza. Unless someone from webhost (cloudflare.com) has leaked the information (highly unlikely), the only people with access to that kind of data are the operators of the website itself.

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« Reply #22464 on: May 16, 2019, 10:32:21 AM »
You repeat some crap, Jizza. Unless someone from webhost (cloudflare.com) has leaked the information (highly unlikely), the only people with access to that kind of data are the operators of the website itself.

We will see.

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« Reply #22465 on: May 16, 2019, 10:32:39 AM »
Nah. What's far more likely (chillingly so) is that we end up in a similar situation to Italy with Salvini now:

- Government collapses over failure to do a deal/leave/revoke
- Tories appoint some non-entity like Raab or Leadsom as leader
- GE returns a Tory/Brexit coalition (Farage as an MP with ~ 20 Brexit MPs)
- Nige appointed deputy PM and immediately becomes the media-friendly rentaquote 'face' of the Government over the inept Tory PM
- Tories are unable to sanction/control him as they rely on his support in parliament and he's not a member so doesn't fear the '22, 'men in grey suits' etc

Weirdly, the only person able to stop us going down this route might be Boris, as he's unquestionably got a higher public profile than Farage.

Even if (and that's a big if - see how few MPs UKIP picked up in 2015 after their 2014 European election win)Frottage/the Brexit Party were in a position to be a junior coalition/supply & confidence partner, the thought of such an arrangement would be beyond the pale for moderate Tories, no? I've always thought the talk of the Tories splitting is overblown (as they are largely on the same page on everything but Brexit) but a move like that really could spell serious trouble IMO. Perhaps someone like Nick Boles would start an Independent Conservative group that the likes of Justine Greening, Sam Gymiah and Jo Johnson could move into who would be prepared to vote with Labour and the other opposition parties.

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« Reply #22466 on: May 16, 2019, 10:33:04 AM »

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« Reply #22467 on: May 16, 2019, 11:30:39 AM »
Even if (and that's a big if - see how few MPs UKIP picked up in 2015 after their 2014 European election win)Frottage/the Brexit Party were in a position to be a junior coalition/supply & confidence partner, the thought of such an arrangement would be beyond the pale for moderate Tories, no? I've always thought the talk of the Tories splitting is overblown (as they are largely on the same page on everything but Brexit) but a move like that really could spell serious trouble IMO. Perhaps someone like Nick Boles would start an Independent Conservative group that the likes of Justine Greening, Sam Gymiah and Jo Johnson could move into who would be prepared to vote with Labour and the other opposition parties.

Well, I'd always assumed so, but relying on sensible politicians to pull the brakes on things seems a pretty forlorn hope at the moment...

For the record I'm not saying I think that's likely overall, just that that would be the likeliest way the Brexit Party would squirm into some sort of power.
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« Reply #22468 on: May 16, 2019, 12:21:57 PM »
Well, I'd always assumed so, but relying on sensible politicians to pull the brakes on things seems a pretty forlorn hope at the moment...

For the record I'm not saying I think that's likely overall, just that that would be the likeliest way the Brexit Party would squirm into some sort of power.

I think they will end up getting into power by effectively taking over the Tories, the low membership numbers in the Tories (plus the hardline views of existing Tory members), made them an easy candidate for UKIPisation and that is exactly what has happened

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« Reply #22469 on: May 16, 2019, 12:36:49 PM »
We will see.

Within minutes I found this and I havent got a clue what I doing you can get very detailed data.


From where did you obtain that screen shot? Post the URL and I'll explain it to you.

Edited to add: this Reddit thread is rather similar to what you reported here, above. It was quickly debunked there too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/bp2wd8/a_traffic_analysis_of_the_brexit_partys_website/
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« Reply #22470 on: May 16, 2019, 02:31:07 PM »
I imagine the core demographic of the Brexit party don't use the web much and have been sending cheques.

Cheques? I doubt it. The posh ones will be sending postal orders. The ragged trousered philanthropists will be sending jam jars full of groats.
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« Reply #22473 on: May 16, 2019, 03:33:31 PM »
People are still taking Theresa May at her word?

How cute.

I don't think they are. That letter reads to me as a not-so-subtle message that she's a goner if she doesn't win that vote in the week of the 3rd of June. At that point, she either goes willingly or they'll finally change the rules to allow for another no-confidence vote.

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« Reply #22474 on: May 16, 2019, 04:22:55 PM »
Tories will clearly pivot to "No Deal" under the next fuckwit who takes over, but equally I don't like their chances of getting that through the current Parliament either.

If they can successfully hoover up the Brexit Party vote without losing too much of their existing support, I suspect a new Tory leader would look to call an election sooner rather than later, it just makes too much sense to do it at a time when Labour are trying to sit on the fence of a debate which is increasingly becoming polarised into No Deal v Remain.

Would expect the Tories to win that anti-Tory/Brexit votes distrbuted more widely between other parties rather than just consolidating behind Labour as it did in 2017, so I suspect both parties likely down on share of the vote v 2017 but Labour more down

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« Reply #22475 on: May 16, 2019, 04:41:07 PM »


I think that's about right.

Get a new leader in, get a GE, then crack on with "No Deal."

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« Reply #22476 on: May 16, 2019, 05:23:40 PM »
Tories will clearly pivot to "No Deal" under the next fuckwit who takes over, but equally I don't like their chances of getting that through the current Parliament either.

If they can successfully hoover up the Brexit Party vote without losing too much of their existing support, I suspect a new Tory leader would look to call an election sooner rather than later, it just makes too much sense to do it at a time when Labour are trying to sit on the fence of a debate which is increasingly becoming polarised into No Deal v Remain.

Would expect the Tories to win that anti-Tory/Brexit votes distrbuted more widely between other parties rather than just consolidating behind Labour as it did in 2017, so I suspect both parties likely down on share of the vote v 2017 but Labour more down

Parliament has the power to block an election if it's as against No Deal as it claims though. A new, even more Brexity PM runs the risk of galvanising support behind another referendum if the alternative is No Deal. Block a GE, and then do another Cooper-Boles-Letwin style takeover of the Commons timetable.

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« Reply #22477 on: May 16, 2019, 08:32:28 PM »
Hard to imagine an opposition ever blocking a GE though

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« Reply #22478 on: May 16, 2019, 09:04:45 PM »
Hard to imagine an opposition ever blocking a GE though

Especially an opposition so vocal in pushing for one.

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« Reply #22479 on: May 16, 2019, 09:06:10 PM »
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