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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32960 on: October 31, 2019, 07:54:43 PM »
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32961 on: October 31, 2019, 08:07:22 PM »
I agree, but they're not about to change their leader in the next six weeks, so it's still the wrong tree to be barking up in the weeks leading up to a general election.

And when is the right time?

Many of us said Corbyn would be a disaster when he was elected leader.

‘Get behind him - the enemy is the Tory Party’

He fucks up the referendum campaign...

‘Get behind him, he’s only representing what many people think...  the enemy is the Tory Party...’

He loses the 2017 General Election against the Maybot.

‘Get behind him, look how far behind he was... they said he’d be wiped out so it’s really a victory... the enemy is the Tory Party. Keep the faith’

He refuses to campaign for Remain despite all the evidence of corruption, lies and the damage Brexit will do and keeps talking about some bullshit ‘Brexit for jobs...’

‘Get behind him, he’s just waiting for the Tories to melt down. They’ll self destruct and he’ll step in. The real enemy is the Tory Party and you don’t do anything when your enemy is self destructing...’

He comes up with a ridiculous plan to win an election, renegotiate a deal in six months (the EU extension is Jan 31st) then have a referendum between the new deal and Remain. But they won’t talk about Brexit during the election or say which side Labour would campaign for...

‘Get behind him, this election (which is clearly being fought over Brexit) won’t be about Brexit. What about renationalising the Post Office? The Tory Party is the real enemy...’

If Corbyn’s Labour wins or even loses by a small enough margin he’ll stick around like shit on a blanket. If he goes we’ll have more of the same.

There’s no good time for this. Labour needs a clear out or another party needs to take up the reins of progressive politics.

The Tory Party is the real enemy. And it is inexcusable that the Labour Party has utterly failed at a time when the Tories should have been in meltdown, and had been complicit in the greatest political crisis in the UK since the Second World War.

I find it incredible that for the second time in my life, the Labour Party’s left has vacated the heart of British politics and given right wing Tories the centre stage.
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32962 on: October 31, 2019, 08:14:39 PM »
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32963 on: October 31, 2019, 08:44:28 PM »
It's the best option that we have because it's the only system we have.

No offence, but if you're sitting this one out you are part of the problem.
So let me ask you this Alan.. Are you happy with politics at the moment? Or should I say politicians?

You run a business, would you let any of your staff get away with what these clowns are doing?

As for your second point I see you as part as the problem, whatever you think about me you empower these dickheads to continue to do what they do (which if you haven't realised by now is to look after themselves).

They must be laughing their tits off, 50k+ a year and all they have to do is lie to keep the people that elsct them happy.
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32964 on: October 31, 2019, 09:44:30 PM »
Heís attacking the Lib Dems for campaigning to revoke saying itís undemocratic. Anyone dumb enough to believe that Corbyn wonít campaign for Brexit/Lexit if Labour wins needs a kick up the bracket.

If you donít want the Tories to be able to sell off the NHS in a trade deal then STAY IN THE FUCKING EU.

Labour Brexit is Brexit.

By equivocating on Brexit Corbyn has managed to turn away Labour Leavers and more significantly Labour Remainers who voted Labour in 2017 but will vote Lib Dem or Green this time round.

As for the other arguments on here.

Corbynís Labour Party has a problem with structural anti-semitism. If you defend it youíre part of the problem.

Corbyn is massively disliked/distrusted by voters. If the Labour Party insists on voting for a useless prick as Leader itís no good saying the country has to vote for him to keep the Tories out. And replacing him with even more useless politicians like Long-Bailey or Pidcock isnít going to make them more electable.

Corbynís Labour has taken the piss with my vote. I want change. Iíd prefer a competent Labour Party but that seems to be a vain hope now. I think we could be fucked for decades.
If the Tories win a majority then am afraid we are f... even if Corbyn +co go.
The damage will be done, leaving the EU with a nutty hard right Tory party. less talented MPs to hold them to account.
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32965 on: October 31, 2019, 10:29:20 PM »
So let me ask you this Alan.. Are you happy with politics at the moment? Or should I say politicians?

You run a business, would you let any of your staff get away with what these clowns are doing?

As for your second point I see you as part as the problem, whatever you think about me you empower these dickheads to continue to do what they do (which if you haven't realised by now is to look after themselves).

They must be laughing their tits off, 50k+ a year and all they have to do is lie to keep the people that elsct them happy.
Jason. I understand that you feel the system is terrible/corrupt/whatever. But people deciding to simply sit out will have absolutely zero effect. The only possible way to have any influence upon the system is to be involved. No politician, and no voter will give a toss about your decision to abstain. That's just the reality of the situation.

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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32966 on: October 31, 2019, 10:49:16 PM »
If the Tories win a majority then am afraid we are f... even if Corbyn +co go.
The damage will be done, leaving the EU with a nutty hard right Tory party. less talented MPs to hold them to account.


And as many of us have been saying for years now - Corbyn is a free pass for the Tories. He had his best chance against May and managed to win 50 less seats than her.

A vote for Corbyn is a vote for Brexit.

A vote for Corbyn strengthens his hold over the party and pretty much guarantees Tory government as long as heís leader.

Johnson is hugely overrated and wonít be great in this campaign. He has skeletons in his closet and has questionable opinions on many subjects. I still think heíll win fairly comfortably.
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32967 on: October 31, 2019, 10:54:10 PM »
Some traditional labour voters (on here but likely resonates beyond too) will have various issues with the current party. The elephant in the room for me is the apparent anti-semitism and the inability or unwillingness to deal with it.

However the current Tory party, led by the ERG and a bunch of sycophants, seemingly overseen by the politically unknown and unelected Cummings, coupled with their Brexit Ďdealí, is by far the biggest danger. 



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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32968 on: October 31, 2019, 11:03:16 PM »
Still in the EU......
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32969 on: October 31, 2019, 11:10:32 PM »
A vote for Corbyn is a vote for Brexit.

A vote for Corbyn strengthens his hold over the party and pretty much guarantees Tory government as long as heís leader.
I agree with you on most-things-Corbyn, but not these two. Corbyn alone does not determine Labour policy on Brexit. If he did, we'd have left by now. Party policy would not be 'renegotiate then second referendum' if it was down to Corbyn. The Flint -> Kinnock wing never got more than 20 rebels at any point (might be 35 or so tempted), and there are only a handful of real Lexiteers around the leadership. That's no more than 20% of the PLP (and less, in the membership) that support any form of Brexit.

On the latter, I suspect the quickest route to oust Corbyn is if the numbers produce a Labour-LibDem coalition; because MPs - not members - determine the PM. At that point, the PLP will be able to moderate any nominations to the membership vote by making it abundantly clear who they would, or would not, serve. Another defeat will galvanise the hard left, purges will increase and the party really will be fucked for the foreseeable under Pidcock, Burgon or similar.

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« Reply #32970 on: October 31, 2019, 11:40:36 PM »
And as many of us have been saying for years now - Corbyn is a free pass for the Tories. He had his best chance against May and managed to win 50 less seats than her.

A vote for Corbyn is a vote for Brexit.

A vote for Corbyn strengthens his hold over the party and pretty much guarantees Tory government as long as heís leader.

Johnson is hugely overrated and wonít be great in this campaign. He has skeletons in his closet and has questionable opinions on many subjects. I still think heíll win fairly comfortably.
He's been a walkover for every Tory PM and that's caused the damage.
I know I repeat myself but what got me so upset was how little he influenced public opinion. I cant actually think of anything he argued in the first 2 yrs after the vote to leave that influenced public opinion. I can think of many things May argued that had a massive effect on public opinion.
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32971 on: November 1, 2019, 06:49:50 AM »
I agree with you on most-things-Corbyn, but not these two. Corbyn alone does not determine Labour policy on Brexit. If he did, we'd have left by now. Party policy would not be 'renegotiate then second referendum' if it was down to Corbyn. The Flint -> Kinnock wing never got more than 20 rebels at any point (might be 35 or so tempted), and there are only a handful of real Lexiteers around the leadership. That's no more than 20% of the PLP (and less, in the membership) that support any form of Brexit.

On the latter, I suspect the quickest route to oust Corbyn is if the numbers produce a Labour-LibDem coalition; because MPs - not members - determine the PM. At that point, the PLP will be able to moderate any nominations to the membership vote by making it abundantly clear who they would, or would not, serve. Another defeat will galvanise the hard left, purges will increase and the party really will be fucked for the foreseeable under Pidcock, Burgon or similar.

I have a lot of respect for your opinion and your knowledge of the party but Iím not sure I agree. I think thereís a strong case that the Labour Party is irreparably fucked for the foreseeable future.


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« Reply #32972 on: November 1, 2019, 07:23:29 AM »
Did Antoinette Sandbach vote for Borisí deal?

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« Reply #32973 on: November 1, 2019, 09:05:27 AM »
Did Antoinette Sandbach vote for Borisí deal?
Pretty sure she voted for it. But she's been a king sized pain in the arse for Johnson (and she is seriously big - believe me, you wouldn't want a knee in the bollocks off this girl) and has really taken a stand against him.
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« Reply #32974 on: November 1, 2019, 10:05:55 AM »
Pretty sure she voted for it. But she's been a king sized pain in the arse for Johnson (and she is seriously big - believe me, you wouldn't want a knee in the bollocks off this girl) and has really taken a stand against him.

Thing was that she was big on Tory unity and how she would vote for the deal not so long ago and now within a week she has defected to the Lib Dems who are all about complete revocation of Brexit. Seems a huge leap.

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« Reply #32975 on: November 1, 2019, 10:23:37 AM »
Thing was that she was big on Tory unity and how she would vote for the deal not so long ago and now within a week she has defected to the Lib Dems who are all about complete revocation of Brexit. Seems a huge leap.
Literally just seen her have that point put to her in an interview. She said she's been on a 'journey' and learned a  lot over the last three years about how much good stuff the EU does!
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« Reply #32976 on: November 1, 2019, 10:31:52 AM »
Literally just seen her have that point put to her in an interview. She said she's been on a 'journey' and learned a  lot over the last three years about how much good stuff the EU does!

I do also think that some MPs struggle a bit with being elected on a manifesto promising one thing when they may have personal views which are very different, some no doubt feel some kind of obligation to respect that

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« Reply #32977 on: November 1, 2019, 10:36:42 AM »
Is there not a correlation here?

Johnson is only PM because of the complete shitness of Corbyn.  That IS the tree.

Labour has to have a palatable leader next. It cannot just rely on people voting for them just because theyíre not the Tories.

This will be four elections in a row that labour has lost.

Maybe thereís something to learn from that?
And Corbyn is only leading Labour because of the complete shitness of May.
Any decent and reasonably likeable Tory leader would have crushed him.

Let this sink in: The leader of Labour still hasn't formed a clear opinion on the most important political issue in decades.

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« Reply #32978 on: November 1, 2019, 10:52:57 AM »
And Corbyn is only leading Labour because of the complete shitness of May.

And the complete shitness of Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham when it mattered.
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« Reply #32979 on: November 1, 2019, 11:08:41 AM »
Just been called a Tory because I don't think Corbyn walks on water.
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« Reply #32980 on: November 1, 2019, 11:25:14 AM »
Literally just seen her have that point put to her in an interview. She said she's been on a 'journey' and learned a  lot over the last three years about how much good stuff the EU does!

Or in her case, a week.

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« Reply #32981 on: November 1, 2019, 12:55:42 PM »
Or in her case, a week.

The fact she was one of the rebels to be kicked out of the party a while ago suggests that it is longer than a week?

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« Reply #32982 on: November 1, 2019, 01:00:50 PM »
Don't forget a lot of people voted for the Johnson Bill because they knew it was going to get amended into a BRINO in all probability.

Not any more of course.
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« Reply #32983 on: November 1, 2019, 01:30:28 PM »
The fact she was one of the rebels to be kicked out of the party a while ago suggests that it is longer than a week?

Yet, eventually, she still voted for the deal that Johnson put forward? So she went from that and complete revoke?

These MP's are a joke. Heidi 'Crocodile Tears' Allen has talked about being completely against Brexit and yet I clearly remember a Radio 5 live panel she was on in 2016 where she said she didn't know whether she would campaign for Remain or Leave.

These people are supposed to be guiding us. I reckon when they have mapped out their career choices they have actively decided that the easiest way to earn over £70k a year is to become an MP.

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« Reply #32984 on: November 1, 2019, 01:48:41 PM »
Yet, eventually, she still voted for the deal that Johnson put forward? So she went from that and complete revoke?

These MP's are a joke. Heidi 'Crocodile Tears' Allen has talked about being completely against Brexit and yet I clearly remember a Radio 5 live panel she was on in 2016 where she said she didn't know whether she would campaign for Remain or Leave.

These people are supposed to be guiding us. I reckon when they have mapped out their career choices they have actively decided that the easiest way to earn over £70k a year is to become an MP.
Frankly, we probably should offer MPs 150K a year*. It would encourage people with real talent to enter into politics. There are far too many who are better suited for light administration duties or flipping burgers.

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« Reply #32985 on: November 1, 2019, 02:00:17 PM »
It'll be interesting to see the ERG response to Falange's latest toxic emissions.
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« Reply #32986 on: November 1, 2019, 02:09:29 PM »
Yet, eventually, she still voted for the deal that Johnson put forward? So she went from that and complete revoke?

These MP's are a joke. Heidi 'Crocodile Tears' Allen has talked about being completely against Brexit and yet I clearly remember a Radio 5 live panel she was on in 2016 where she said she didn't know whether she would campaign for Remain or Leave.

These people are supposed to be guiding us. I reckon when they have mapped out their career choices they have actively decided that the easiest way to earn over £70k a year is to become an MP.

The average length of service for an MP is 8 years so hardly a brilliant career choice, given the work needed to get a seat in the first place.
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« Reply #32987 on: November 1, 2019, 02:10:04 PM »
It'll be interesting to see the ERG response to Falange's latest toxic emissions.

Here you go. Francois:

"I think Nigel screwed it up. If you genuinely want to work with another political party, you donít go on live national television and call them liars, which is what he did. He said Borisís deal doesnít take us out of the European Union. That is not true. It does take us out of the European Union. Thatís why I and my fellow so-called Spartans [the 28 Tory Brexiters who voted against Theresa Mayís deal three times] voted for it. We would never, ever have voted for it if we thought it kept us in. Iím sorry, but Nigel is just is simply mistaken.

If that was meant to be to be an olive branch, Nigel completely cocked it up."
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« Reply #32988 on: November 1, 2019, 02:12:14 PM »
The Brexit party and the Tories scrapping over who can have more of the Brexit cake and tickle Trump's balls the longest.

Skynews talking about will Johnson change his Brexit deal to keep Farage happy the  Right are starting to fall to pieces.
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32989 on: November 1, 2019, 03:17:43 PM »
Here you go. Francois:

"I think Nigel screwed it up. If you genuinely want to work with another political party, you donít go on live national television and call them liars, which is what he did. He said Borisís deal doesnít take us out of the European Union. That is not true. It does take us out of the European Union. Thatís why I and my fellow so-called Spartans [the 28 Tory Brexiters who voted against Theresa Mayís deal three times] voted for it. We would never, ever have voted for it if we thought it kept us in. Iím sorry, but Nigel is just is simply mistaken.

If that was meant to be to be an olive branch, Nigel completely cocked it up."
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32990 on: November 1, 2019, 03:43:05 PM »
Ol' Nige is going to 'bombard every house in this land' with literature explaining to everyone how shit Johnson's deal is - I'm actually starting to like  this guy.
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32991 on: November 1, 2019, 03:54:01 PM »
Here you go. Francois:

"I think Nigel screwed it up. If you genuinely want to work with another political party, you donít go on live national television and call them liars, which is what he did. He said Borisís deal doesnít take us out of the European Union. That is not true. It does take us out of the European Union. Thatís why I and my fellow so-called Spartans [the 28 Tory Brexiters who voted against Theresa Mayís deal three times] voted for it. We would never, ever have voted for it if we thought it kept us in. Iím sorry, but Nigel is just is simply mistaken.

If that was meant to be to be an olive branch, Nigel completely cocked it up."

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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32992 on: November 1, 2019, 04:41:32 PM »
Picture Francois in nowt but a loin cloth. I dare you.

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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32993 on: November 1, 2019, 05:25:07 PM »
Picture Francois in nowt but a loin cloth. I dare you.

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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32994 on: November 1, 2019, 05:33:05 PM »
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EXCLUSIVE: The Metropolitan Police have passed a file of criminal evidence against @BorisJohnson and Dominic Cummings' Vote Leave campaign to the Crown Prosecution Service:
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32995 on: November 1, 2019, 05:53:45 PM »
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EXCLUSIVE: The Metropolitan Police have passed a file of criminal evidence against @BorisJohnson and Dominic Cummings' Vote Leave campaign to the Crown Prosecution Service:

Sadly this is completely irrelevant to the election campaign and will make no difference to the outcome.

And if Labour believe the Vote Leave campaign committed criminal offences, why the fuck did Corbyn have a go at Swinson the other day and bang on about the legitimacy of the referendum result.

Can you please sort out what your boy's fucking message is? Was the Referendum campaign corrupt or was it legitimate?

Another Corbyn gem, the campaign led by Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Dominic Cummings was guilty of numerous criminal offences but the result was legitimate and must be respected...
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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32996 on: November 1, 2019, 06:39:15 PM »
So on the one hand, I'm pleased that it looks like Farage will take a large number of Tory votes. On the other I'm now concerned he may end up with a significant number of seats in the HoC.

"All the lads have been talking about is walking out in front of the Kop, with 40,000 singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone'," Collins told BBC Radio Solent. "All the money in the world couldn't buy that feeling," he added.

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Re: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"
« Reply #32997 on: November 1, 2019, 07:29:31 PM »
So on the one hand, I'm pleased that it looks like Farage will take a large number of Tory votes. On the other I'm now concerned he may end up with a significant number of seats in the HoC.



They will get no seats.

But even if they did, I don't see how that is a bad thing. Proper PR voting would greatly diminish Tory numbers but allow smaller parties, right and left, the opportunity to gain seats. Such a system is more likely to lead to the need for compromise.

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« Reply #32998 on: November 1, 2019, 08:59:01 PM »
And the complete shitness of Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham when it mattered.

 :wellin  Nail hammered my friend

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« Reply #32999 on: November 1, 2019, 09:02:26 PM »
The average length of service for an MP is 8 years so hardly a brilliant career choice, given the work needed to get a seat in the first place.

Although the voters in Rushcliffe might struggle without Ken to vote for.
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