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Author Topic: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm  (Read 680862 times)

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22640 on: May 22, 2019, 02:41:51 PM »
Some rumblings that there may be another attempt to force May out coming.

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« Reply #22641 on: May 22, 2019, 02:55:23 PM »
Seriously, why does Theresa keep coming back with the same deal?

Why does she keep issuing the same threats?


How can anyone in the cabinet support her, and go through the same process over and over again?

I really can't understand her thought process, I can only think she doesn't have one.

this is because she has nothing left to offer now.
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« Reply #22642 on: May 22, 2019, 03:00:04 PM »
Elmo will be happy to hear that Mundell is demanding a meeting today because May confirmed that, yes, Parliament could amend the WAB to include a referendum. Descriptions of observable reality triggering such anger is what Brexit is all about, I suppose.

Question is whether May will survive the cabinet telling her she needs to go and, if she does, whether the 1922 then force a leadership election by rewriting their own rules to get rid of her.

Not sure why they don't wait a couple more days myself. Let May take the blame for the results.
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22643 on: May 22, 2019, 03:03:41 PM »
Seriously, why does Theresa keep coming back with the same deal?

Why does she keep issuing the same threats?

How can anyone in the cabinet support her, and go through the same process over and over again?

I really can't understand her thought process, I can only think she doesn't have one.

Her thought process for a long time now has been nothing more sophisticated than 'what should I do to ensure I'm still PM this time tomorrow'. Looks like she's finally running out of road to kick the can down.
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« Reply #22644 on: May 22, 2019, 03:07:49 PM »
Elmo will be happy to hear that Mundell is demanding a meeting today because May confirmed that, yes, Parliament could amend the WAB to include a referendum. Descriptions of observable reality triggering such anger is what Brexit is all about, I suppose.

Yes, he fears it will set a precedent for a second indyref.

It also of course would set a precedent for a confirmatory vote on outcome of negotiations between Scottish Government and Westminster so I'm not so sure it is such a bad thing for unionists.

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« Reply #22645 on: May 22, 2019, 03:08:14 PM »
I wonder what politics was like before it was a grand procession of May trying to sell the same thing, Corbyn going off on a long speech ending with "GIVE ME A GENERAL ELECTION" - May then being savaged by what are notionally her own MPs, nothing happening and then the clock slowly ticking down. What did they even used to do...

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« Reply #22646 on: May 22, 2019, 03:41:06 PM »
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I am told that the pizza club of Brexiter cabinet ministers, led by @andrealeadsom, are telling PM she must pull the Withdrawal Agreement Bill vote. Which @theresa_may may think is a bit rich, since it was Leadsom who led charge for the vote to be brought forward. But one...

pizza club minister says that the speech the PM gave yesterday on the WAB, which Brexiters see as paving the way for customs union membership and a referendum, was not what they thought they had agreed in cabinet!

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« Reply #22647 on: May 22, 2019, 04:03:41 PM »
Yes, he fears it will set a precedent for a second indyref.

It also of course would set a precedent for a confirmatory vote on outcome of negotiations between Scottish Government and Westminster so I'm not so sure it is such a bad thing for unionists.

Yeah. It's just a really weird position to take that saying "yes, the government will legislate for something Parliament votes for" is beyond the pale. I do see the point on precedent, goes to the discussion on 'red lines' vanishing we had on here yesterday, just wondering what Mundell would expect to happen in his counterfactual because if there's votes to support it then there'll be votes to take the decision out of the government's hands anyway.
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« Reply #22648 on: May 22, 2019, 04:21:35 PM »
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1131206988199809029

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And more detail on the 2nd ref row. Cabinet angry cos they understood there would be a debate on a 2nd ref while making it clear it was not govt policy and there would be nothing on face of bill about 2nd ref. What they got was a vote & promise of it being put into law if passed

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« Reply #22649 on: May 22, 2019, 04:26:16 PM »
Have a feeling she'll go on Friday after a trouncing with Labour with the euro results and when she withdraws her bill.

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« Reply #22650 on: May 22, 2019, 04:30:00 PM »
Have a feeling she'll go on Friday after a trouncing with Labour with the euro results and when she withdraws her bill.

The Euro results aren't announced until Monday, I've read so it might be more likely that will be her departure date.

First Mundell, now Javid.

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Sources close to Sajid Javid say he has asked to see the PM to push her to remove the second referendum vote requirement from the bill - he believes it is not what was agreed - he is not only senior minister who is v unhappy - situation getting very serious

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« Reply #22651 on: May 22, 2019, 04:30:51 PM »
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131211020091965440

Those most keen to argue we have to leave the EU to reclaim Parliament's sovereignty seem the most inclined to want to ignore Parliament as it suits.
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« Reply #22652 on: May 22, 2019, 04:39:09 PM »
https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/1131220451806588929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Very senior MP tells me the word from the Cabinet corridor in the HoC is that the PM will resign tonight, Andrea Leadsom is poised to resign to launch a leadership bid, others may also resign & David Lidington will take over as acting PM. Unconfirmed!

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« Reply #22655 on: May 22, 2019, 04:42:02 PM »
https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/1131220451806588929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Leadsom doesn't need to resign to launch a leadership bid, does she? Seems an oddly unnecessary move. At least if she doesn't win the leadership contest, she's still in Cabinet unless the new leader sacks her (which I imagine is unlikely as he/she will likely want Brexiteers around them)

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« Reply #22656 on: May 22, 2019, 04:48:38 PM »
https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/1131220451806588929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Farage has played a blinder here.

It's exactly what the far-right nutters wanted.

The man is shaping British politics at the moment and is being helped by a bunch of incompetent pricks!
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« Reply #22657 on: May 22, 2019, 04:50:41 PM »
Leadsom doesn't need to resign to launch a leadership bid, does she? Seems an oddly unnecessary move. At least if she doesn't win the leadership contest, she's still in Cabinet unless the new leader sacks her (which I imagine is unlikely as he/she will likely want Brexiteers around them)

Imagine thinking that Andrea fucking Leadsom is the answer to any question other than 'Name one of the ten people least qualified to be PM?'.

As Malcolm Tucker would say 'She's so dense that light bends around her'
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« Reply #22658 on: May 22, 2019, 04:53:22 PM »
Imagine thinking that Andrea fucking Leadsom is the answer to any question other than 'Name one of the ten people least qualified to be PM?'.

As Malcolm Tucker would say 'She's so dense that light bends around her'

If you think this cabinet is the worst you have ever seen, just wait until it gets filled with Brexiters under the next permanent leader

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« Reply #22659 on: May 22, 2019, 04:56:36 PM »
If you think this cabinet is the worst you have ever seen, just wait until it gets filled with Brexiters under the next permanent leader
I'm quite looking to seeing Foreign Secretary Gareth Keenan  Mark Francois actually.  Might be good for a giggle.
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« Reply #22660 on: May 22, 2019, 05:03:15 PM »
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Stephen Crabb says PM has to go ASAP and new PM needed ‘within weeks’

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1131226565780676609

The man who pulled out of the last leadership contest for sexting.

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« Reply #22661 on: May 22, 2019, 05:09:37 PM »
Imagine thinking that Andrea fucking Leadsom is the answer to any question other than 'Name one of the ten people least qualified to be PM?'.

As Malcolm Tucker would say 'She's so dense that light bends around her'

Leadsom would be great.

Considering there is a dearth of ability in the Tories, then the incompetent, the better.

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« Reply #22662 on: May 22, 2019, 05:20:38 PM »
She is toast. However, the idea of Johnson v McVey fills me with utter dread if either of them get anywhere near being PM. Talk about Hobson's choice.

Labour are continuing to miss a massive open goal here. A second referendum should now be at the forefront of their offers, and more importantly, the dear leader says so rather than continuing to sit on the fence that he has been on for the last few years.

An utter fucking shit show caused by the blue rinse brigade who won`t give a toss in a few years anyway, leaving the rest of us to have to deal with the mess.
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« Reply #22663 on: May 22, 2019, 05:29:29 PM »
Mundell, Javid and Hunt's one-to-one meetings with May aren't happening.

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« Reply #22664 on: May 22, 2019, 05:44:38 PM »
Farage has played a blinder here.

Indeed. The man has allowed UKIP to swallow the Tories whole before skipping away from the toxicity to found a new party surging in the polls. All without ever needing to be elected!

I'm sure the blinders that Jezza's been playing with his policy of not getting involved or having an opinion are equally as influential.
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« Reply #22665 on: May 22, 2019, 05:46:35 PM »
Hahahaha. They need 1922 to change rules. Only the 1922 then needs that rule change ratified by MPs. Not happening tomorrow, is it? So she's safe til 4th June when Parliament returns from the Whitsun recess.
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« Reply #22666 on: May 22, 2019, 05:51:58 PM »
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Asked if Mrs May is hiding in her bunker, one government source says “that’s what I’m hearing”

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« Reply #22667 on: May 22, 2019, 06:45:08 PM »
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https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131250486273822722

Why wait?

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« Reply #22668 on: May 22, 2019, 07:04:02 PM »
The trouble is...

The trouble is...

Whoever replaces May..... what precisely do they intend to do.


No one has actually said.  No ideas, no commitments, no pan.

Disaster awaits
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« Reply #22669 on: May 22, 2019, 07:09:36 PM »
The trouble is...

The trouble is...

Whoever replaces May..... what precisely do they intend to do.


No one has actually said.  No ideas, no commitments, no pan.

Disaster awaits

You can either keep hoping that everything will return to normal by some magical twist or you can just accept the possibility that things need to become even more of a mess and hit rock bottom before things can start to take more positive turns.

Of course, by then it could be too late. But thats just tough, isnt it.

The Tories are electing a nutter then it needs to be the most incompetent nutter there is. McVey, Leadsom, Truss, Boris. Any one of them will die on their feet.

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« Reply #22670 on: May 22, 2019, 07:19:46 PM »
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131250486273822722

Why wait?

Stephen Bush reckons that they want to give it another chance to persuade her because some on the 1922 are really worried that once they rewrite rules for her then it sets the precedent for next time. And it's not like the Tories are particularly united right now.
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« Reply #22671 on: May 22, 2019, 07:27:52 PM »
Someone pointed out on Reddit that if she did quit tonight, the media won't be allowed to report on it tomorrow until the polls closed...

Perhaps that's why she's thinking of doing it.  :lmao

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« Reply #22672 on: May 22, 2019, 07:28:55 PM »
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Folks.

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« Reply #22673 on: May 22, 2019, 07:42:03 PM »
Leadsom gone.

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« Reply #22674 on: May 22, 2019, 07:42:22 PM »
Leadsome gone. More irreplaceable talent lost....

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« Reply #22675 on: May 22, 2019, 07:45:56 PM »
Do you want Brexit to happen?

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Do you have a source for that?

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« Reply #22676 on: May 22, 2019, 07:46:24 PM »
Let's look at one positive (aside from may getting the boot in shame and the tories imploding), its a social experiment. Its not often (or ever really) that you get to find out how many people will vote for a colour of a rosette given that there is absolutely no reason at all to vote for them. It'll be a good guide to understand who of the population are inclined to vote but no notion as to why they will do so :)

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« Reply #22678 on: May 22, 2019, 08:26:26 PM »
BBC report on the Scunthorpe steel collapse awful today.
One reporter arguing Scunthorpe is taking a hammering on social media, how they voted for Brexit so they are getting what the deserve etc is unfair, Brexit hasn't caused this crisis, it's the uncertainty of Brexit thats caused this crisis, >:(  this gives the impression that a no deal will end the uncertainty and help recovery, a no deal will be the end of the steel industry in this country, union officials are not even convinced a deal will save the industry, a no deal and the pound plummets even more, tariffs kick in and the orders stop completely.
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« Reply #22679 on: May 22, 2019, 08:37:04 PM »
BBC report on the Scunthorpe steel collapse awful today.
One reporter arguing Scunthorpe is taking a hammering on social media, how they voted for Brexit so they are getting what the deserve etc is unfair, Brexit hasn't caused this crisis, it's the uncertainty of Brexit thats caused this crisis, >:(  this gives the impression that a no deal will end the uncertainty and help recovery, a no deal will be the end of the steel industry in this country, union officials are not even convinced a deal will save the industry, a no deal and the pound plummets even more, tariffs kick in and the orders stop completely.

That region voted 66% to leave.

Unlucky.