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« Reply #22160 on: April 30, 2019, 03:55:18 PM »
At least the general population knows more about Labour's position than RAWK.

'Anti-Brexit' to Leavers, who also think the Tories are 'anti-Brexit', and confused message to Remainers?


https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/7goo4d7iug/YouGov%20-%20Party%20Brexit%20stance.pdf




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« Reply #22161 on: April 30, 2019, 04:27:21 PM »
Whats shocking the HOC just finished for the day at 4.19pm.
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« Reply #22162 on: April 30, 2019, 04:28:37 PM »
Tom Watson: Labour deputy leader storms out of meeting in row over Brexit referendum stance

Tom Watson has walked out of a shadow cabinet meeting after Jeremy Corbyn refused to allow its members to see a draft policy on a fresh Brexit referendum.

Relations between the leader and his deputy plunged to a new low – hours before the party was due to decide Labour’s European elections manifesto at a marathon meeting.

Shadow cabinet members were only shown the document on a big screen, rather than being handed hard copies of the text, The Independent was told.

“The shadow cabinet were not going to see the draft, so what’s the point in being there,” said a source close to Mr Watson. “It was very disrespectful to the shadow cabinet.”

Mr Corbyn’s top team met ahead of a decisive meeting of the ruling national executive committee (NEC), at which he will attempt to fight off demands – led by Mr Watson – to commit to a second referendum in all circumstances.

The leader is determined to avoid alienating Labour Leave voters by sticking to a policy of a referendum to prevent a “Tory Brexit”, or a no-deal Brexit.

That would leave open the possibility of Labour helping to force through EU withdrawal if the Conservatives, in cross-party talks, concede a customs union and other Labour demands.

Mr Watson took to Twitter to deny a report that he had “stormed out” of the meeting, saying: “I politely asked if the shadow cabinet were going to see the draft words and was told “no”.

“So I left to walk to the NEC where the document will be available and the decision will be made.”

Mr Corbyn’s office is confident of resisting a shift to supporting a further referendum in all circumstances, enjoying the support of at least 22 of the 39 members of the NEC.

He can rely on the backing of the giant Unite union, despite other big unions – including the GMB, Unison and Usdaw – swinging behind another public vote.

A landmark agreement in February between Mr Corbyn and Keir Starmer, his shadow Brexit secretary, saw Labour agree that Ms May’s deal “should be subject to the lock of a public vote.

However, in evidence of the wedge being driven between the leader and his supporters, the director of Momentum called on him to “take a side”.

“Labour’s members already know which side they are on. The party should commit to bringing whatever Brexit deal is done back to the people,” Laura Parker said.

More than 20 Labour MEP candidates have defied their leadership by pledging to back a referendum and then campaign to remain in the EU.

And a letter from MPs and MEPs calling for a public vote on any Brexit deal has reached 118 signatories, meaning the majority of non-shadow cabinet MPs back it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tom-watson-brexit-second-referendum-labour-corbyn-shadow-cabinet-nec-meeting-a8892511.html

I guess he wasn't happy he didn't have anything to leak before the NEC meeting.

Time he was sacked.
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« Reply #22163 on: April 30, 2019, 04:33:14 PM »
I guess he wasn't happy he didn't have anything to leak before the NEC meeting.

Time he was sacked.
As deputy leader of the party he has the democratic mandate to see this information. 

That he hasn’t seen it makes a mockery of the party’s democratic processes.

Sacked for what by the way???

He was elected democratically with a huge mandate from the members. Surely you respect that?
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« Reply #22164 on: April 30, 2019, 04:34:10 PM »
Tom Watson: Labour deputy leader storms out of meeting in row over Brexit referendum stance

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Mr Watson took to Twitter to deny a report that he had “stormed out” of the meeting, saying: “I politely asked if the shadow cabinet were going to see the draft words and was told “no”.

“So I left to walk to the NEC where the document will be available and the decision will be made.”

What a ridiculous headline!

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« Reply #22165 on: April 30, 2019, 04:35:37 PM »
As deputy leader of the party he has the democratic mandate to see this information. 

That he hasn’t seen it makes a mockery of the party’s democratic processes.

He has seen it. You two are arguing about an inaccurate news story that's been denied by the man himself six hours ago.

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« Reply #22166 on: April 30, 2019, 04:39:29 PM »
JLR to build new Land Rover Defender in Slovakia

Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) will build its next-generation Land Rover Defender 4x4 in Slovakia rather than the UK.

The Defender model was built at the firm's Solihull factory near Birmingham until 2016.

The firm says the new model has been designed and engineered in the UK and its new engines built in Wolverhampton.

JLR also says it plans "significant investment" at Solihull to support the production of its next generation of Range Rover and Land Rover models.

In January 2016, some 67 years of the 4x4 being made at Solihull came to an end.

More than two million were made in the West Midlands since the original Land Rover Series began production in Solihull in 1948.

The new Defender will be built at the company's £1bn plant in Nitra in Slovakia, which opened in October 2018.

The new model is expected to be unveiled later this year at the Frankfurt Motor Show and to go on sale early in 2020.

JLR says the 2020 Defender is now entering its final phase of testing.

James Attwood is deputy editor at Autocar magazine, and says there had been little prior expectation that the new vehicle would be built in the UK.

"Reading between the lines it always looked like it would be built in Slovakia, particularly after they [JLR] had invested such a large sum in their new plant there," he says.

"But it is still very much a British design. And, of the range of engines that are going to be built for the new vehicle, a number are going to be built in the UK."

He adds: "Jaguar and Land Rover already make a number of cars in other countries and they are still very much seen as British cars."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48103070

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« Reply #22167 on: April 30, 2019, 04:44:03 PM »
Breaking: clear-cut victory for Corbyn Brexit plan at NEC

In the last few moments Jeremy Corbyn’s victory at a meeting of Labour’s NEC (National Executive Committee) has been confirmed. Corbyn’s position on Brexit for the party’s European Parliament manifesto won easily, in spite of the unavoidable absence of a number of left NEC members.

The result is a humiliating defeat for deputy leader Tom Watson, who had tried to orchestrate pressure for a switch to support for another public vote.

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/04/30/breaking-clear-cut-victory-for-corbyn-brexit-plan-at-nec/
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« Reply #22168 on: April 30, 2019, 04:45:30 PM »
Breaking: clear-cut victory for Corbyn Brexit plan at NEC

In the last few moments Jeremy Corbyn’s victory at a meeting of Labour’s NEC (National Executive Committee) has been confirmed. Corbyn’s position on Brexit for the party’s European Parliament manifesto won easily, in spite of the unavoidable absence of a number of left NEC members.

The result is a humiliating defeat for deputy leader Tom Watson, who had tried to orchestrate pressure for a switch to support for another public vote.

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/04/30/breaking-clear-cut-victory-for-corbyn-brexit-plan-at-nec/
Full on labour brexit then...
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« Reply #22169 on: April 30, 2019, 04:47:25 PM »
Full on labour brexit then...


It hasn't been confirmed anywhere else yet.
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« Reply #22170 on: April 30, 2019, 04:47:45 PM »
Rawk is confused about Labour being a Brexit party. Or something. (It's confirmed by Peston, citing "a Labour source".)
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« Reply #22171 on: April 30, 2019, 04:49:54 PM »
Quick, Labour Remainers, revert to "Starmer will save us all" consolation mode!

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« Reply #22172 on: April 30, 2019, 04:56:37 PM »
Rawk is confused about Labour being a Brexit party. Or something. (It's confirmed by Peston, citing "a Labour source".)

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« Reply #22173 on: April 30, 2019, 04:58:11 PM »
Rawk is confused about Labour being a Brexit party. Or something. (It's confirmed by Peston, citing "a Labour source".)
:lmao I wonder which source that is......somehow I doubt it's Alan_X ;) :wave
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« Reply #22174 on: April 30, 2019, 05:08:07 PM »
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Glad the NEC has made the right call and confirmed that a public vote will be in our manifesto for the European elections. We’re a Party for remain and it’s right that everyone - leavers and remainers - should be given the #finalsay on our Brexit future.

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1123253807507496960

Where's your fucking dignity?

Corbyn could burn the EU flag live on TV and you'd still have spineless tossers like Streeting making Twitter calls to arms for Remainers to back Labour.

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« Reply #22175 on: April 30, 2019, 05:10:29 PM »
I guess he wasn't happy he didn't have anything to leak before the NEC meeting.

Time he was sacked.
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« Reply #22176 on: April 30, 2019, 05:14:19 PM »
That's it then. Remainers should, in fact must, vote for one of CHUK, Lib Dem or Green. Labour is a Brexit Party, this was their last chance and they fucked it.

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« Reply #22177 on: April 30, 2019, 05:14:46 PM »
Andrew Adonis looks like an even bigger knob today.

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« Reply #22178 on: April 30, 2019, 05:16:15 PM »
A party spokesperson said:

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Labour’s European elections manifesto was agreed at the NEC today and it will be published soon.

Labour is the only party which represents both people who supported leave and remain.

Translation: Labour represents nobody and is so scared of alienating one side of the divide it will risk alienating both at the same time.

Utter shitshow. The rot is probably terminal now. How a Tory brexit has managed to destroy Labour as well I'll never know.
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« Reply #22179 on: April 30, 2019, 05:22:23 PM »
There goes any chance of Labour getting my vote.

I'll see which of Greens/Lib Dem/Change is polling best in my area and vote for them. None of them will get elected here though so it's yet another election where my vote is wasted.
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« Reply #22180 on: April 30, 2019, 05:23:08 PM »
That's it then. Remainers should, in fact must, vote for one of CHUK, Lib Dem or Green. Labour is a Brexit Party, this was their last chance and they fucked it.

Agreed

Andrew Adonis looks like an even bigger knob today.

Also agreed

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« Reply #22181 on: April 30, 2019, 05:23:57 PM »
There goes any chance of Labour getting my vote.

I'll see which of Greens/Lib Dem/Change is polling best in my area and vote for them. None of them will get elected here though so it's yet another election where my vote is wasted.

Looks like Change are running in 3rd in London so my vote will go there if things don't move around too much.

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« Reply #22182 on: April 30, 2019, 05:25:49 PM »
So is jezza more the new Blair or the new clegg when it comes to screwing over his voters?

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« Reply #22183 on: April 30, 2019, 05:26:33 PM »
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1123256106032226305

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« Reply #22184 on: April 30, 2019, 05:27:14 PM »
A party spokesperson said:

Translation: Labour represents nobody and is so scared of alienating one side of the divide it will risk alienating both at the same time.

Utter shitshow. The rot is probably terminal now. How a Tory brexit has managed to destroy Labour as well I'll never know.

Labour Remainers have had many chances over the past 3-4 years to change things, and have thrown it away every time. Whether it was pro-EU MPs like Lammy nominating a Eurosceptic like Corbyn for the leadership prior to the referendum; not seeing the bigger picture and electing Owen Smith as leader because he wasn't a fantasy candidate; not forcing another leadership challenge since then; supporting a pro-Brexit Labour manifesto in the GE; a significant number of pro-EU Labour MPs not having the balls to quit and the pro-referendum unions sitting on their hands for most of the period.

They're like battered wives who think their husband will change because they love him. Nauseating to see people like Streeting and Ben Bradshaw try to put a positive spin on this. Everyone's favourite wet lettuce Starmer won't be far behind. I'm counting down the seconds to his latest piece of stuttered spin on Radio 4.

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« Reply #22185 on: April 30, 2019, 05:33:22 PM »
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1123256106032226305

I have no sympathy for them if they don't get elected/re-elected. Nothing is stopping them from defecting to a party with a genuinely pro-EU policy. I don't give a fuck if their family has voted Labour going back to great-gran, or whatever usual sob story you hear from people who refuse to leave Labour, I'm not backing a pro-Brexit party.

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« Reply #22186 on: April 30, 2019, 05:34:53 PM »
Ben Bradshaw:

"1. The Government won’t agree to an “alternative Brexit” & Labour MPs won’t vote for one that isn’t conditional on a #FinalSay public vote, so it won’t happen 2. There won’t be an election cos Tory MPs won’t vote for one. 3. #peoplesvote only thing left. Bingo!"

https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1123256528138592256

"Rather than quibbling, pro-European Labour MPs who support a second referendum have welcomed the party’s decision today."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/apr/30/brexit-latest-news-labour-nec-tory-mps-wont-accept-cross-party-compromise-involving-customs-union-says-hunt-live-news?page=with:block-5cc875db8f08c89bd906b5c1#block-5cc875db8f08c89bd906b5c1


It's amazing how removed from reality RAWK really is.

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« Reply #22187 on: April 30, 2019, 05:36:21 PM »
Ben Bradshaw:

"1. The Government won’t agree to an “alternative Brexit” & Labour MPs won’t vote for one that isn’t conditional on a #FinalSay public vote, so it won’t happen 2. There won’t be an election cos Tory MPs won’t vote for one. 3. #peoplesvote only thing left. Bingo!"

https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1123256528138592256

"Rather than quibbling, pro-European Labour MPs who support a second referendum have welcomed the party’s decision today."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/apr/30/brexit-latest-news-labour-nec-tory-mps-wont-accept-cross-party-compromise-involving-customs-union-says-hunt-live-news?page=with:block-5cc875db8f08c89bd906b5c1#block-5cc875db8f08c89bd906b5c1

Just like the Labour MPs supposedly outraged by anti-Semitism who type stern Tweets before campaigning at weekends to put Corbyn into No 10.

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« Reply #22188 on: April 30, 2019, 05:40:16 PM »
Ben Bradshaw:

"1. The Government won’t agree to an “alternative Brexit” & Labour MPs won’t vote for one that isn’t conditional on a #FinalSay public vote, so it won’t happen 2. There won’t be an election cos Tory MPs won’t vote for one. 3. #peoplesvote only thing left. Bingo!"

https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1123256528138592256

"Rather than quibbling, pro-European Labour MPs who support a second referendum have welcomed the party’s decision today."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/apr/30/brexit-latest-news-labour-nec-tory-mps-wont-accept-cross-party-compromise-involving-customs-union-says-hunt-live-news?page=with:block-5cc875db8f08c89bd906b5c1#block-5cc875db8f08c89bd906b5c1

It's amazing how removed from reality RAWK really is.

"Labour MP encourages people to vote Labour" shocker

Just because many on here disagree with Ben, and yours continuous attempts to polish Labour's turd of a Brexit policy does not mean we are "removed from reality"

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« Reply #22189 on: April 30, 2019, 05:40:53 PM »
Ben Bradshaw:

"1. The Government won’t agree to an “alternative Brexit” & Labour MPs won’t vote for one that isn’t conditional on a #FinalSay public vote, so it won’t happen 2. There won’t be an election cos Tory MPs won’t vote for one. 3. #peoplesvote only thing left. Bingo!"

https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1123256528138592256

"Rather than quibbling, pro-European Labour MPs who support a second referendum have welcomed the party’s decision today."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/apr/30/brexit-latest-news-labour-nec-tory-mps-wont-accept-cross-party-compromise-involving-customs-union-says-hunt-live-news?page=with:block-5cc875db8f08c89bd906b5c1#block-5cc875db8f08c89bd906b5c1


It's amazing how removed from reality RAWK really is.

Why are the leadership still pretending than an alternative Brexit is possible then? Corbyn's words and actions to date suggest that a referendum will happen over his dead body. It feels like there's an almighty stitch up coming.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22190 on: April 30, 2019, 05:52:47 PM »
Policy is a referendum if Labour don't have the power to put it through parliament but Brexit if they're in government or can agree a compromise with the Tories on it. That has been the policy ever since leadership decided to creatively interpret conference. There's not an alternative reading to this.
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22191 on: April 30, 2019, 05:59:20 PM »
So, almost zero chance of a second referendum.  Essentially we just want to win the next election and then we will still do brexit anyway.

Again, a vote for labour is a vote for brexit.
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22192 on: April 30, 2019, 06:03:55 PM »
Another open goal missed by Corbyn, he seems intent to lead the party down the Tory road to electoral oblivion. If he really did want to be PM, backing Remain would effectively guarantee he'd win the next election. This wishy washy half and half trying to please everyone will end up pissing off everyone.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22193 on: April 30, 2019, 06:07:58 PM »
Another open goal missed by Corbyn, he seems intent to lead the party down the Tory road to electoral oblivion. If he really did want to be PM, backing Remain would effectively guarantee he'd win the next election. This wishy washy half and half trying to please everyone will end up pissing off everyone.

He's not trying to please everyone. He's trying to achieve one of his (and Milne's) longest standing political aims - to get out of the EU.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22194 on: April 30, 2019, 06:26:07 PM »


Change UK here I come

Will that really help? Quoting Dunt again:

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But even these monstrous imbeciles [Farage's Brexit Party] are doing better than the Remain parties, who have somehow managed to take a moment of surging momentum and turn it into a internecine bloodsport. The Greens, Liberal Democrats and Change UK are currently in a battle to take votes off each other, in a process which could well see all of them deprived of a seat.

The Greens and Lib Dems are as much to blame as anyone. The Lib Dems picked candidates early, making any cooperation harder to achieve. The Greens seem completely oblivious to the damage they're doing. They act like it is business as normal, when in fact we are in a national emergency and their response to it demonstrates they are not substantial or farsighted enough to meet its challenges.

The failings of Change UK are more significant. They promised three things: to do politics in a new way, to be competent about how they conducted it, and to stop Brexit. So far, they are doing politics the old way, badly, in a manner which makes Brexit more likely.

They can't even settle on a name, so now they add new names every day: Change UK, The Independent Group, the Tiggers, the Remain Alliance. Their logo reads 'Change UK The Independent Group', all in the same font, colour and size, so it looks like a Shift-F7 version of a political party.

Worst of all, their language is so safe and turgid and managerial. They learned nothing from the referendum. They have developed precisely no new techniques, no sense of immediacy, no moral imperative - none of the firm, fixed communication deployed so effectively by Leave in 2016. It's really unforgivable to see so few lessons comprehended in all this time. What on earth have they been doing?

From high to low, Brexit to Remain, Labour to Tory, it is a masterclass in inadequacy and irresponsibility. Welcome back. Hope you enjoyed the break.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22195 on: April 30, 2019, 06:28:52 PM »
He's not trying to please everyone. He's trying to achieve one of his (and Milne's) longest standing political aims - to get out of the EU.
and do it in a way they think will get the tories blamed

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« Reply #22196 on: April 30, 2019, 06:38:32 PM »
Will that really help? Quoting Dunt again:

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/04/26/week-in-review-an-equal-opportunities-disaster-zone
because voting for the labour gaslighters is a good idea?

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22197 on: April 30, 2019, 06:42:50 PM »
So, almost zero chance of a second referendum.  Essentially we just want to win the next election and then we will still do brexit anyway.

Again, a vote for labour is a vote for brexit.


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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22198 on: April 30, 2019, 06:46:19 PM »
"Labour MP encourages people to vote Labour" shocker

Just because many on here disagree with Ben, and yours continuous attempts to polish Labour's turd of a Brexit policy does not mean we are "removed from reality"

The reality being that absolutely nothing has changed today. They've just restated party policy. They're no more pro-Brexit or anti-Brexit than they were yesterday.

There was outrage on here a few days ago because someone claimed there'd be no mention of a second referendum in the manifesto. Now that turned out not to be the case, there's outrage about something else. If there's always something to be outraged about, it comes across as faux outrage.

In reality, as Bradshaw says, there will be no deal with the government, and no Labour government any time soon, so they'll be backing a second referendum. Everything else is there for election purposes. In reality, Labour are doing just fine.

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« Reply #22199 on: April 30, 2019, 07:38:59 PM »
The reality being that absolutely nothing has changed today. They've just restated party policy. They're no more pro-Brexit or anti-Brexit than they were yesterday.

There was outrage on here a few days ago because someone claimed there'd be no mention of a second referendum in the manifesto. Now that turned out not to be the case, there's outrage about something else. If there's always something to be outraged about, it comes across as faux outrage.

In reality, as Bradshaw says, there will be no deal with the government, and no Labour government any time soon, so they'll be backing a second referendum. Everything else is there for election purposes. In reality, Labour are doing just fine.

And if he's wrong and an agreement is found, then what?