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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #360 on: November 5, 2018, 09:32:38 AM »


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Ben Woodburn (Sheffield United) – 10 mins vs. Nottingham Forest
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Corey Whelan (Crewe) – 45 mins vs. Northampton
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #361 on: November 5, 2018, 10:30:30 AM »
Have no idea if he will be good enough but it would be nice to have a left footed midfielder to call on to add a balance to the side

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #362 on: November 5, 2018, 12:48:22 PM »
Is Ings worth being included into this thread? He's officially a Southampton player as of Summer, so basically an Ex-player now I'd have thought. Nice to see him getting back in the goals there though, it's what he needed at this point.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #363 on: November 6, 2018, 05:03:02 PM »
Marko Grujic is back in full training now with Hertha BSC. So maybe there will be a chance he'll be in their squad at the weekend for their game away at Fortuna Düsseldorf.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #364 on: November 7, 2018, 06:33:51 PM »
Can we recall Harry Wilson.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #365 on: November 7, 2018, 07:00:03 PM »
Can we recall Harry Wilson.

Probably could in January, but then not sure why we would? Unless it’s to sell on permanently in January too.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #366 on: November 7, 2018, 07:04:25 PM »
Probably could in January, but then not sure why we would? Unless it’s to sell on permanently in January too.

To play him in the team mate, he’s clearly good enough.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #367 on: November 7, 2018, 09:42:14 PM »
To play him in the team mate, he’s clearly good enough.

Ahead of who exactly?  ;D

He’s clearly good enough for Derby right now
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #368 on: November 7, 2018, 09:44:09 PM »
Ahead of who exactly?  ;D

He’s clearly good enough for Derby right now

I don’t get your question, Origi got a game yesterday ahead of who?

He’s good enough for the PL, probably why he has had great moments against two top 6 Pl teams.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #369 on: November 7, 2018, 09:54:28 PM »
You’re probably right. But possibly wrong. One thing’s for certain. He has increased his chances in the last year. First by playing in the Championship rather than choosing the oblivion that is Scottish football. Second by playing extremely well (including two eye-catching games against Chelsea and Man Utd).

But even if he doesn’t make it at Liverpool, I’ll probably continue to watch his progress since he’s a lovely sight with the ball at his feet.

I was being extremely sarcastic sorry. I think he'll be here for the next 10 years.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #370 on: November 7, 2018, 09:55:01 PM »
I don’t get your question, Origi got a game yesterday ahead of who?

He’s good enough for the PL, probably why he has had great moments against two top 6 Pl teams.

Wilson?
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #372 on: November 7, 2018, 11:06:09 PM »
I was being extremely sarcastic sorry. I think he'll be here for the next 10 years.

Red Star got to you, uh?
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #373 on: November 7, 2018, 11:27:56 PM »
Red Star got to you, uh?

Nothing gets to me, I think he's a great talent who's going to come in next year and fight for a place in the squad. I'd recall him now if we could.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #374 on: November 8, 2018, 06:32:29 AM »
Nothing gets to me, I think he's a great talent who's going to come in next year and fight for a place in the squad. I'd recall him now if we could.
Why? Here is a case of a young player who's reaping the benefits of a loan, growing up as a player and having a great outlook for the future. Versus Origi, who's bean on loans here and there and looks as no good prospect. But Origi is here with no chance of playing other than odd 10 min out of desperation. Why ruin a potentially good future for a brief questionable benefit?
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #375 on: November 8, 2018, 08:08:40 AM »
Why? Here is a case of a young player who's reaping the benefits of a loan, growing up as a player and having a great outlook for the future. Versus Origi, who's bean on loans here and there and looks as no good prospect. But Origi is here with no chance of playing other than odd 10 min out of desperation. Why ruin a potentially good future for a brief questionable benefit?

Exactly

Pretty sure he was literally the only attacking player we had on the bench at the time so we just thought fuck it, its 0-2 we might as well chuck him on. Wilsons doing well at Derby, there's always this conversation when someone's doing well out on loan.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #376 on: November 8, 2018, 09:47:09 AM »
Recalling him would be a mistake for both the player and the club. He'd end up warming the bench which could affect his sell on value should he leave in the summer, as well as his development. I doubt he'd want to come back to player U23 football anyway.

If Derby go up, we could potentially loan him there again or maybe they'll throw £10/15m our way if we are lucky. That is if Klopp doesn't want to keep him, that is.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #377 on: November 8, 2018, 09:52:46 AM »
If we’re not making any signings in January I wouldn’t mind recalling him because he is currently playing in positions where we are bemoaned for a lack of creativity.

Having another creative option on the bench who could score long range efforts, would automatically be the best set piece taker at this club penetrate with his dribbling, wouldn’t be a bad option, as someone who’s watched him for years his Derby loan hasn’t taught me anything that I didn’t already know, other than reaffirm he’s good enough to play here, but I had an inclination of that before he went on loan to Hull.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #378 on: November 8, 2018, 09:59:17 AM »
You can't just recall players out on a season long loan.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #379 on: November 9, 2018, 11:15:01 PM »
Woodburn not in the 18 for the Steel City derby tonight. How many minutes had he actually played for Sheff Utd this season? How's he going to benefit from a season of relative inactivity? At least the likes of Wilson, Kent & Ejaria are more involved.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #380 on: November 9, 2018, 11:29:58 PM »
Woodburn not in the 18 for the Steel City derby tonight. How many minutes had he actually played for Sheff Utd this season? How's he going to benefit from a season of relative inactivity? At least the likes of Wilson, Kent & Ejaria are more involved.

By all accounts he’s struggled to make an impact . Obviously hasn’t shown the manager enough in his cameo appearances or in training to warrant it which is slightly worrying but the fact they are near the top of the table has probably played a part as well - if others are performing then it’s difficult to warrant including him

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #381 on: November 11, 2018, 01:47:21 AM »
If we’re not making any signings in January I wouldn’t mind recalling him because he is currently playing in positions where we are bemoaned for a lack of creativity.

Having another creative option on the bench who could score long range efforts, would automatically be the best set piece taker at this club penetrate with his dribbling, wouldn’t be a bad option, as someone who’s watched him for years his Derby loan hasn’t taught me anything that I didn’t already know, other than reaffirm he’s good enough to play here, but I had an inclination of that before he went on loan to Hull.


A few reasons why this simply wouldn’t and shouldn’t happen:
1.Contractually it would be really difficult to do I’m sure. Probably heavy penalties written into the contract if we did that
2. Future clubs would be wary of dealing with us for loans if we did that. We damage our credibility
3. Wouldn’t be fair to Derby. They should reap the benefits this season of their investment in his development
4 Most importantly it wouldn’t serve the players interests well. He’s getting regular game time at a top club. He wouldn’t even be making match day squads for us
5. We don’t need him. Our squad has good depth
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #382 on: November 11, 2018, 01:49:37 AM »
By all accounts he’s struggled to make an impact . Obviously hasn’t shown the manager enough in his cameo appearances or in training to warrant it which is slightly worrying but the fact they are near the top of the table has probably played a part as well - if others are performing then it’s difficult to warrant including him

 Very concerning he’s not getting proper game time at Sheffield Utd. Wish he’d gone up to Rangers to be honest - he’d be getting game time there and building confidence in a big club environment under one of our own.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #383 on: November 11, 2018, 02:01:00 AM »
A few reasons why this simply wouldn’t and shouldn’t happen:
1.Contractually it would be really difficult to do I’m sure. Probably heavy penalties written into the contract if we did that
2. Future clubs would be wary of dealing with us for loans if we did that. We damage our credibility
3. Wouldn’t be fair to Derby. They should reap the benefits this season of their investment in his development
4 Most importantly it wouldn’t serve the players interests well. He’s getting regular game time at a top club. He wouldn’t even be making match day squads for us
5. We don’t need him. Our squad has good depth

Was speaking more hypothetically but can’t argue with the first three points, as for the last two points I definitely rate Wilson higher than you and maybe a lot of posters on this forum do, if he didn’t go Derby this season and stayed at our club training with the first team week in week out and getting the odd appearance I fail to see how he wouldn’t make an impression, we just happen to send him to Derby he could quite easily be playing in the premier league already and reasonably well at that.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #384 on: November 11, 2018, 11:44:43 AM »
If Woodburn isn’t getting game time we should recall him in Jan, but I’d keep Wilson at Derby for the full season and then reassess in the summer

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #385 on: November 11, 2018, 03:23:26 PM »
Herbie Kane scored both of Doncaster's goals in FAC R1 v Chorley. 2nd was an absolute pearler. His 1st 2 goals for them this season. Not sure if he's anywhere near the 1st team squad, but always good to see Reds doing well!!

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #386 on: November 11, 2018, 03:43:40 PM »
I believe he's started nearly all of Doncaster's games since he went there. Definitely a regular starter.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #387 on: November 11, 2018, 06:54:50 PM »
Was speaking more hypothetically but can’t argue with the first three points, as for the last two points I definitely rate Wilson higher than you and maybe a lot of posters on this forum do, if he didn’t go Derby this season and stayed at our club training with the first team week in week out and getting the odd appearance I fail to see how he wouldn’t make an impression, we just happen to send him to Derby he could quite easily be playing in the premier league already and reasonably well at that.

Rate him extremely highly mate, but the lad is getting the game time he needs at Derby. Next year he will hopefully get a solid preseason under his belt and make a push to be in first team squads. I think that’s a fair development plan for him.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #388 on: November 11, 2018, 09:17:33 PM »
Herbie Kane scored both of Doncaster's goals in FAC R1 v Chorley. 2nd was an absolute pearler. His 1st 2 goals for them this season. Not sure if he's anywhere near the 1st team squad, but always good to see Reds doing well!!

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #389 on: November 12, 2018, 12:05:48 PM »
I believe he's started nearly all of Doncaster's games since he went there. Definitely a regular starter.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #390 on: November 12, 2018, 09:38:52 PM »
Grant McCann, his manager, called him “different class” and wants him in the box more.  4 assists already too. It may be League 1 but very encouraging for debut season at first team level