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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #240 on: October 4, 2018, 05:29:47 PM »
Donít think so , think not rated good enough or ready yet ?

Seems odd when he's been playing (albeit not much) for Wales. Lack of pace maybe? I remember him last season having a fair few stinkers for the u23's so maybe something like attitude might be a possibility...no idea

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #241 on: October 4, 2018, 05:38:07 PM »
If you dont have an immediate impact when on loan you're likely going to get dropped. The club doesnt really gain much by developing a player.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #242 on: October 4, 2018, 08:10:33 PM »
He has at least still made the Wales squad announced today for their upcoming games, along with Wilson

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #243 on: October 4, 2018, 08:49:09 PM »
Stevie's celebration for the Rangers goal just now  ;D. Klopp written all over it.

Oh, and Ejaria is playing.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #244 on: October 4, 2018, 09:17:26 PM »
Karius not doing very well, now even Beşiktaş fans are pretty pissed

https://twitter.com/MKezman9/status/1047942870123069440

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #245 on: October 4, 2018, 09:42:32 PM »
Karius not doing very well, now even Beşiktaş fans are pretty pissed

https://twitter.com/MKezman9/status/1047942870123069440

He isnt a good keeper at all.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #246 on: October 4, 2018, 09:43:36 PM »
Stevie's celebration for the Rangers goal just now  ;D. Klopp written all over it.

Oh, and Ejaria is playing.
Ejaria and Kent. Ejaria has been kicking ass and taking names all game. Great performance.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #247 on: October 4, 2018, 10:01:23 PM »
Ejaria and Kent. Ejaria has been kicking ass and taking names all game. Great performance.
Yeah Ovie could have had a goal from a header then got the assist for the penalty! Good game all round 3-1 to Rangers in the end. Stevie's doing well in Europe

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #248 on: October 4, 2018, 10:06:58 PM »
Ovieís bit of play for the pen was beautiful. Kent played well too.

Hopefully Karius does enough to trigger Beşiktaş buying him but Iíd be surprised.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #249 on: October 4, 2018, 10:41:27 PM »
He isnt a good keeper at all.

He is, lads just had a hopeless few months. Dunno why people thought heíd have what happened in the CL Final, pre season, replaced by Allison, shipped off to Turkey and then suddenly become this ultra confident monster. If heís able to recover the form that had a lot of people happy with our GK situation, itíll take a while.
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #250 on: October 4, 2018, 11:24:11 PM »
He is, lads just had a hopeless few months. Dunno why people thought heíd have what happened in the CL Final, pre season, replaced by Allison, shipped off to Turkey and then suddenly become this ultra confident monster. If heís able to recover the form that had a lot of people happy with our GK situation, itíll take a while.
I think at best heís a mid table keeper in our league.

At the moment though I donít even know if he can reach that level again, simply because of all thatís happened. These mistakes are all in his head now, and each time he makes another the focus on him goes up again. The jokes get louder.

I feel very sorry for him, because this situation is going to follow him his whole career.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #251 on: October 4, 2018, 11:28:42 PM »
He is, lads just had a hopeless few months. Dunno why people thought heíd have what happened in the CL Final, pre season, replaced by Allison, shipped off to Turkey and then suddenly become this ultra confident monster. If heís able to recover the form that had a lot of people happy with our GK situation, itíll take a while.

Football isn't a forgiving environment. If more than 4 months down the line you are still so affected by a couple of high profile errors that it is causing you to massively misjudge routine situations it has to call into question whether you have the mental strength to have a long term future at the top level.

I'm sad for him. His goose looks cooked. His reaction after than error was telling. No anger only resignation.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #252 on: October 4, 2018, 11:52:53 PM »
Yes definitely, I don't know how anyone can look at his expression in that clip and not feel sorry for him. Really hope he can get it together again soon.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #253 on: October 5, 2018, 08:05:55 AM »
He isnt a good keeper at all.

He's awful, glad we don't have to watch him week in, week out anymore.

Glad to see Kent get man of the match last night. Watched the game, he's becoming a key player for Rangers. Would like to see him add more goals to his game.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #254 on: October 5, 2018, 11:58:38 AM »
He isnt a good keeper at all.

He's an average gk, but some people refused to see that.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #255 on: October 5, 2018, 12:05:54 PM »
He's an average gk, but some people refused to see that.

Probably just tried to see the good aspects of a Liverpool player :)

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I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #256 on: October 5, 2018, 02:59:25 PM »
Karius not doing very well, now even Beşiktaş fans are pretty pissed

https://twitter.com/MKezman9/status/1047942870123069440

I genuinely always thought that his problems were more psychological than anything else, but he's just a very poor goalkeeper. It was an awful decision keeping him as long as we did.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #257 on: October 5, 2018, 06:37:49 PM »
I genuinely always thought that his problems were more psychological than anything else, but he's just a very poor goalkeeper. It was an awful decision keeping him as long as we did.
I'd suggest that his performances last season up until the CL final suggest that he's almost certainly not a "very poor goalkeeper," but I suppose there's a tiny chance that it was just four months of atypical form. Seems unlikely, but what do I know? But anyway, we've got a better keeper now. I wish Karius well, but we've moved on and it's probably the best for all concerned.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #258 on: October 5, 2018, 07:12:19 PM »
Didn't look such a horrific error to me. I suppose any mistake he makes will be forever be put under the microscope. Poor lad - i feel for him. I think he's actually a quality goalkeeper and pulls off some great saves and has good feet, but how do you coach out the brain farts? He has them - there's just no denying it. Plus he looks mentally pretty shot. I mean, who wouldn't be after that final. Enough to give anyone PTSD. Hope he finds the strength of character to get through it, and realise that most of the people criticising him to death are mainly armchair losers with nothing better to do in their life. Really hope this is now his rock bottom, he develops a fuck it attitude, and finds some good form.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #259 on: October 5, 2018, 07:24:47 PM »
Thought it was a freak deflection myself...

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #260 on: October 5, 2018, 07:57:46 PM »
Definitely a deflection there

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #261 on: October 5, 2018, 08:05:52 PM »
He is, lads just had a hopeless few months. Dunno why people thought heíd have what happened in the CL Final, pre season, replaced by Allison, shipped off to Turkey and then suddenly become this ultra confident monster. If heís able to recover the form that had a lot of people happy with our GK situation, itíll take a while.

Don't think many of us were expecting him to be a ultra confident monster immediately (or ever, after that CL final), but expecting him to do the basics of goalkeeping (like dealing with a relatively simple cross) isn't much to ask IMO.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #262 on: October 5, 2018, 08:08:44 PM »
Don't think many of us were expecting him to be a ultra confident monster immediately (or ever, after that CL final), but expecting him to do the basics of goalkeeping (like dealing with a relatively simple cross) isn't much to ask IMO.

Well....I think anyone who thought heíd not make any mistakes in the short term were pretty misguided too. Lad pretty much needs building up from scratch.
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #263 on: October 5, 2018, 08:31:35 PM »
He's awful, glad we don't have to watch him week in, week out anymore.

Glad to see Kent get man of the match last night. Watched the game, he's becoming a key player for Rangers. Would like to see him add more goals to his game.

How many mistakes has he made since going to Turkey? How does that compare to other keepers?

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #264 on: October 5, 2018, 08:35:14 PM »
How many mistakes has he made since going to Turkey? How does that compare to other keepers?

Of all the players seemingly take joy in making mistakes, youíd think our loanees (even the ones who are pretty much sold) would be pretty much right at the bottom of the list.
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #265 on: October 5, 2018, 09:47:47 PM »
Heís away for two seasons, if heís still pulling this kind of errors next season Iíd be worried for him but heís still struggling from a massive lack of confidence.

Wether heís good enough for us or not, Iíve got no idea.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #266 on: October 6, 2018, 11:23:52 AM »
Heís away for two seasons, if heís still pulling this kind of errors next season Iíd be worried for him but heís still struggling from a massive lack of confidence.

Wether heís good enough for us or not, Iíve got no idea.

As you can see from my post above I'm very supportive of Karius and think he's got a very bright future in the game. If he can get his head right and develop the right attitude, his raw goalkeeping ability and good distribution skills could get him a move to one of the top leagues again in the future, and who knows maybe he can kick on from there. He should take inspiration from keepers like Friedel. People have been like fucking hyenas to him (I don't mean on this forum in the main).

But I don't think anyone can reasonably conclude he's good enough for us based on what we've seen or has much of a future with us. It didn't take the recent error for Beşiktaş to help me come to such an inspired conclusion
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #267 on: October 6, 2018, 12:27:18 PM »
Ejaria vs Vienna.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #268 on: October 6, 2018, 02:13:40 PM »
Don't think many of us were expecting him to be a ultra confident monster immediately (or ever, after that CL final), but expecting him to do the basics of goalkeeping (like dealing with a relatively simple cross) isn't much to ask IMO.

it took a deflection, hardly a simple cross

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #269 on: October 6, 2018, 09:09:26 PM »
Of all the players seemingly take joy in making mistakes, youíd think our loanees (even the ones who are pretty much sold) would be pretty much right at the bottom of the list.

 ??? Don't follow.

My point is that the mistake in the vid above is not a huge one. If we accept that all keepers make mistakes (De Gea has had a pretty ropey start to this season), then whether Karius is crap or a reasonable keeper comes down to how often he makes them. If he is making loads of mistakes per 90 compared to other keepers then by all means feel free to laugh at how shit he is, but is that really the case? Seems only fair to ask the question.   

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #270 on: October 6, 2018, 11:07:12 PM »
it took a deflection, hardly a simple cross

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #271 on: October 6, 2018, 11:27:20 PM »
Is Woodburn injured? Havenít noticed him in the last couple of Sheffield United squads.

EDIT - forget that just looked back a page and see he seems to be struggling to make an impact there. Hopefully he can kick on soon
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #272 on: October 7, 2018, 03:47:53 PM »
Kent scored for Rangers against the league leaders, Hearts
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #273 on: October 7, 2018, 07:02:04 PM »
How many mistakes has he made since going to Turkey? How does that compare to other keepers?
Iíd say 2-3 big mistakes already. I really think at this speed even playing in Turkey will end up like a good memory in his career. Something is just not right with him, he has huge concentration issues.
I canít see Beşiktaş buying him after 2 years loan is over.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #274 on: October 9, 2018, 08:15:01 PM »
Harry Wilson - Derby - Started and played for 73 minutes as Derby drew 1-1 at home to Norwich, and then dropped to the bench for the following game before coming on in the 54th minute of another 1-1 draw away at QPR.
Ovie Ejaria - Rangers - Rangers bounced back from their disappointing defeat at Livingston with back to back 3-1 home wins against Rapid Vienna and league leaders Hearts, Ejaria started both games, completing 90 minutes against Vienna and 66 minutes against Hearts.
Ryan Kent - Rangers - Kent also started both games and scored the first of the three goals against Hearts. Kent has also spoken about the potential of making this move permanent: ďItís something Iíd consider. Definitely. The fans are amazing here. The club has a lot of history. Itís an amazing club, but thatís a conversation they will have to have with Liverpool Ė not me" as well as being voted as the clubs Player of the Month for September. Video of goal against Hearts - https://twitter.com/RangersGoaIs/status/1048972791314370561
Taiwo Awoniyi - Gent - Gent got smashed 5-1 at home by Genk, Awoniyi started the game but went off after 66 minutes.
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Shamal George - Tranmere - Not in the squad as Tranmere beat Morecambe 4-3 away from home to climb up to 7th in League 2.
Adam Bogdan - Hibernian - Now up to 4 clean sheets in a row as Hibs beat Hamilton 6-0. After the international break they have Celtic, if he makes it 5 in a row it's entirely possible he'll replace Alisson on the ballon d'or list.
Ben Woodburn - Sheffield Utd - Not in the match day squad for either of the games against Hull or Blackburn, making it 3 games in a row hes missed out on the 18.
Herbie Kane - Doncaster - Doncaster's impressive start to the season temporarily halted this week with back to back defeats against Accrington and Fleetwood, Kane completed both games. They drop down to 6th.
Marko Grujic - Hertha Berlin - Injured. Hertha drew 0-0 away at Mainz. 
Connor Randall - Rochdale - Injured.
Loris Karius - Beşiktaş - Beşiktaş lost 2-0 away at Malmo in the Europa League and then followed that up with a 2-2 draw away at Konyaspor.
Corey Whelan - Crewe - They beat Swindon 1-0 at home to bring their losing streak to an end after 3 games, but followed that victory up with a 1-0 defeat away at table topping Lincoln, Whelan completed both games.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #275 on: October 10, 2018, 04:39:31 AM »
Iíd say 2-3 big mistakes already. I really think at this speed even playing in Turkey will end up like a good memory in his career. Something is just not right with him, he has huge concentration issues.
I canít see Beşiktaş buying him after 2 years loan is over.

Aren't they required to if he makes a certain amount of appearances? Not sure what the loan terms were.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #276 on: October 10, 2018, 09:59:15 AM »
Aren't they required to if he makes a certain amount of appearances? Not sure what the loan terms were.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #277 on: October 10, 2018, 11:22:04 AM »
Doesn't sound too good for Woodburn so far. Will be interested to see how he reacts when/if he's given a chance.

I'm presuming there is some sort of clause here again if he's not getting enough game time?

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #278 on: October 10, 2018, 12:53:43 PM »
This was the line-up for the U23 Cup game vs West Brom on Sunday 7th October;

Liverpool U23s: George, N. Williams, Gallacher (Lewis), Johnston, Juanma, Christie-Davies, Markovic (O'Rourke), Virtue, Millar, Chirivella (Coyle), Jones.

Was that Shamal George in goal for us??
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #279 on: October 10, 2018, 01:16:04 PM »
This was the line-up for the U23 Cup game vs West Brom on Sunday 7th October;

Liverpool U23s: George, N. Williams, Gallacher (Lewis), Johnston, Juanma, Christie-Davies, Markovic (O'Rourke), Virtue, Millar, Chirivella (Coyle), Jones.

Was that Shamal George in goal for us??

Potentially, I think loanees can still play for the U23s
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.