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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1960 on: December 6, 2018, 01:21:56 PM »
Jennifer, Philippa, Sue, Deborah and Annabelle can all fuck off. It's all about Alisson.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1961 on: December 6, 2018, 02:45:29 PM »
Really feels like he's "arrived".
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1962 on: December 6, 2018, 03:55:30 PM »
Jennifer, Philippa, Sue, Deborah and Annabelle can all fuck off. It's all about Alisson.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1963 on: December 6, 2018, 04:04:39 PM »
Jennifer, Philippa, Sue, Deborah and Annabelle can all fuck off. It's all about Alisson.

I love him from the bottom of my pencil case.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1964 on: December 6, 2018, 05:20:21 PM »
I love him from the bottom of my pencil case.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1965 on: December 6, 2018, 05:21:21 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1966 on: December 6, 2018, 07:54:42 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1967 on: December 6, 2018, 08:36:48 PM »
Signing of the season so far.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1968 on: December 6, 2018, 08:47:38 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1969 on: December 6, 2018, 11:59:06 PM »
So we’re winning 2-1 and not much time left. He makes an excellent save and then retrieves the ball. Most keepers would have fallen to the ground wasting time. Instead he has his wits about him, takes a chance, throws to Sturridge and then 3-1.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1970 on: December 7, 2018, 01:51:42 AM »
Alisson and Van Dijk. World record signings for their respective positions that are now considered bargain buys and worth 3-4 times more. Fantastic signings, the absolute spine of the team that makes pretenders become true contenders. Absolutely brilliant piece of business by the club
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1971 on: December 7, 2018, 01:59:43 AM »
Have to admit I was wrong about this guy. At the start of the season I would have stuck with Karius as I couldn’t see ability wise there was much in it between the two to justify the big spend.

However more than being a better goalkeeper skill or ability wise (he is, that much is very clear now) he has brought a presence in much the same way Virgil has. He commands respect and you can see that the whole squad have complete belief and trust in him which they didn’t have in Karius.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1972 on: December 7, 2018, 01:36:30 PM »



I love how long his arms are!   :-*
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1973 on: December 7, 2018, 01:37:40 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1974 on: December 7, 2018, 04:53:15 PM »



I love how long his arms are!   :-*

Great photo. I was unsure before whether that was going in or not but this proves it. Not many goalkeepers would have been able to stop that one.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1975 on: December 7, 2018, 05:34:30 PM »
So a little something I've been  working on, it's still a work in progress but thought I would share it.

I basically look at all shots on target and look at the net difference in xG for each situation. So for example if a goalkeeper faces 10 shots in open play each with an xG of .5 and saves 6 he has has a net positive xG recorded of 0.5 *.  If on the other hand he concedes 6 he will have a negative 0.5, and if he saves 5 shots the net balance will be 0.

That way we can look at shot quality in effect for each situation. I'm still trying to figure out how to mitigate sample size here. Even though it's a net balance I'm still concerned whether the result is distorted if some gk's face twice the number of shots others do (compare Hart to Alisson for an example of this). In the meantime I have restricted my analysis to Goalkeepers who have played more than 450 mins (5 games).

I also prefer to remove Penalties as they are 'rare' events with high xG values and therefore can skew the results but have included it here in the 2nd viz if you're interested.




* edit: Actually just realised that the net balance would be +/-1  but you get the gist
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1976 on: December 7, 2018, 06:07:11 PM »
"Shot quality" has always irked me.

I think a better metric they could use would be "GK positioning". A "good quality" shot on target and a "poor quality" shot on target are equally likely to become a goal, depending on the keeper's position. Also, "Shot quality" is subjective as far as I'm concerned.

And I'm saying that having seen my top scorer for one of my youth teams shin every goal he's scored this season :D
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1977 on: December 7, 2018, 06:16:13 PM »
"Shot quality" has always irked me.

I think a better metric they could use would be "GK positioning". A "good quality" shot on target and a "poor quality" shot on target are equally likely to become a goal, depending on the keeper's position. Also, "Shot quality" is subjective as far as I'm concerned.

And I'm saying that having seen my top scorer for one of my youth teams shin every goal he's scored this season :D

Is GK positioning not subjective? Certainly seen enough rows about it in here over the last few years...
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1978 on: December 7, 2018, 06:18:00 PM »
JCB: to take into account volume of shots faced, could you consider some sort of “normalisation” or “scaling”?
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1979 on: December 7, 2018, 06:25:04 PM »
Is GK positioning not subjective? Certainly seen enough rows about it in here over the last few years...

Well it's definitely subjective for the keeper :D :D :D
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1980 on: December 7, 2018, 06:27:59 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1981 on: December 7, 2018, 10:00:04 PM »
JCB: to take into account volume of shots faced, could you consider some sort of “normalisation” or “scaling”?

The way I have it set up in Tableau might pose a problem what with the Table Calculations I do on it. I'll pm you separately so as not to bore the others.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1982 on: December 8, 2018, 12:25:22 AM »



I love how long his arms are!   :-*

Ah yes, but can he make the ball bounce twice along the crossbar?   :missus
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1983 on: December 8, 2018, 02:17:54 AM »
"Shot quality" has always irked me.

I think a better metric they could use would be "GK positioning". A "good quality" shot on target and a "poor quality" shot on target are equally likely to become a goal, depending on the keeper's position. Also, "Shot quality" is subjective as far as I'm concerned.

And I'm saying that having seen my top scorer for one of my youth teams shin every goal he's scored this season :D

Even better than pure shinning technique is the combination of surfaces, the incredibly skillful shin-toe loopers that no keeper can ever save...
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1984 on: December 8, 2018, 02:49:04 AM »
Ah yes, but can he make the ball bounce twice along the crossbar?   :missus

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1985 on: December 8, 2018, 07:38:23 AM »
Jennifer, Philippa, Sue, Deborah and Annabelle can all fuck off. It's all about Alisson.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1986 on: December 8, 2018, 09:56:08 AM »
"Shot quality" has always irked me.

I think a better metric they could use would be "GK positioning". A "good quality" shot on target and a "poor quality" shot on target are equally likely to become a goal, depending on the keeper's position. Also, "Shot quality" is subjective as far as I'm concerned.

And I'm saying that having seen my top scorer for one of my youth teams shin every goal he's scored this season :D

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1987 on: December 8, 2018, 10:06:35 AM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1988 on: December 8, 2018, 10:52:56 AM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1989 on: December 8, 2018, 01:21:58 PM »
We should send him up for corners. :)
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1990 on: December 8, 2018, 01:25:18 PM »
Fuck sake. Dont mess that beautiful hair up man

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1991 on: December 8, 2018, 01:25:46 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1992 on: December 8, 2018, 01:26:41 PM »
If Van Dijk ever gets injured let’s just stick Alisson at centre back. What a header!
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1993 on: December 8, 2018, 02:35:00 PM »
That header!

Also reckon Stanislas thinks he's hit the free kick of his life there but he just steps across and catches it like it was nothing.  ;D

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1994 on: December 8, 2018, 02:36:19 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1995 on: December 8, 2018, 02:39:36 PM »
Need a GIF of that header. Colossal!

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1996 on: December 8, 2018, 02:41:00 PM »
I still can't get over that header he did, wondeful player.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1997 on: December 8, 2018, 02:47:07 PM »
He’s fantastic and has a presence hardly matched by any goalkeeper I have seen. Reminds me of Schmeichel in that regard. With added quality on the the ball and superb passing ability.

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« Reply #1998 on: December 8, 2018, 02:48:10 PM »
He's the VVD of goalkeepers. He has no weaknesses whatsoever and is a real leader at the back. Unbelievable signing.
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« Reply #1999 on: December 8, 2018, 02:51:24 PM »
During the Stanislas free kick, was he shouting Daniel? Pretty sure he was, then laughed when he realised it was Gini. Could be wrong like.
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