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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1840 on: December 4, 2018, 07:56:57 PM »
14 league games in, more than enough time to see the impact of a coach on a player or set of players.

I think we can safely say that Achterberg was never the root cause of our goalkeeper problems.

No, he's been kept away as far a humanly possible from Alisson, so much so, do you know right now he is doing a coaching piece for LFC in the Antarctic?

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1841 on: December 4, 2018, 08:03:30 PM »
So we buy one of the best keepers in the world for nearly £70m, the player comes here and carries on playing like one of the best keepers in the world and that`s used as reason to show why people were wrong over Achterberg?


People may be wrong over Achterberg but I don`t see Becker`s form as a reason to prove this.

the reason Jürgen Klopp wants him as the goalie coach and rates him so highly should be reason enough to think he's not a shit coach.

IT's so odd that people actually think he'd remain in the employment of this club so long if he was hopeless.  They invest so much in these players, why would they then give them a shit coach.



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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1842 on: December 4, 2018, 08:11:38 PM »
No, he's been kept away as far a humanly possible from Alisson, so much so, do you know right now he is doing a coaching piece for LFC in the Antarctic?

I bet he's not wearing shorts, though!!!

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1843 on: December 4, 2018, 08:13:17 PM »
So we buy one of the best keepers in the world for nearly £70m, the player comes here and carries on playing like one of the best keepers in the world and that`s used as reason to show why people were wrong over Achterberg?


People may be wrong over Achterberg but I don`t see Becker`s form as a reason to prove this.

It's exactly a reason. Bad coaches have detrimental effects on quality players. See Hodgson with Liverpool, Moyes with United, Mike Kelly with Pepe Reina.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1844 on: December 4, 2018, 08:59:16 PM »
He could have advised the club not to buy Mignolet for all the fundamental flaws in his game. He was the biggest GK expert at the club at the time who by his own admission scouts all the keepers in the world which makes me believe he gets consulted when we buy keepers. So you can't absolve him of all of the blame regarding Mignolet fiasco.

With him it's not just the coaching.
Mignolet was a good young keeper when we signed him. Many people including me rated him.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1845 on: December 4, 2018, 09:34:57 PM »
such a relief to have a top keeper at last

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1846 on: December 4, 2018, 09:39:26 PM »
Mignolet was a good young keeper when we signed him. Many people including me rated him.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1847 on: December 4, 2018, 11:06:20 PM »
He's been brilliant so far. Plenty of top class saves and a few motm performances, but it's the way he commands his area and plays the ball in and around it. Really not surprised he's maintained his form working with a coach like Achterberg!

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1848 on: December 4, 2018, 11:29:26 PM »
14 league games in, more than enough time to see the impact of a coach on a player or set of players.

I think we can safely say that Achterberg was never the root cause of our goalkeeper problems.

You are overlooking the fact that like any other professional in pretty much every organisation, Achterberg will still strive to continuously improve his methods. The fact that a goalie is doing well can also mean that the coach is not repeating failing methods because he has learnt from his mistakes. I will immediately dismiss any worker who thinks that they can't improve

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1849 on: December 5, 2018, 03:06:08 AM »
You are overlooking the fact that like any other professional in pretty much every organisation, Achterberg will still strive to continuously improve his methods. The fact that a goalie is doing well can also mean that the coach is not repeating failing methods because he has learnt from his mistakes. I will immediately dismiss any worker who thinks that they can't improve

Nope. Our previous goalies weren't failing because of Acheterberg or his "failing" methods. They were failing because we were buying sub-elite keepers.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1850 on: December 5, 2018, 05:16:00 AM »
Nope. Our previous goalies weren't failing because of Acheterberg or his "failing" methods. They were failing because we were buying sub-elite keepers.

They were good keepers, that is why we bought them. Unfortunately Achterberg failed to improve them. They actually regressed under his watch.
At this moment, Alisson is just continuing with his Roma and Brazil form. Achterberg has nothing to do with it! Klopp is not a fool, that is why he has recruited the former United goalkeeping coach.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1851 on: December 5, 2018, 05:35:31 AM »
They were good keepers, that is why we bought them. Unfortunately Achterberg failed to improve them. They actually regressed under his watch.
At this moment, Alisson is just continuing with his Roma and Brazil form. Achterberg has nothing to do with it! Klopp is not a fool, that is why he has recruited the former United goalkeeping coach.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1852 on: December 5, 2018, 10:17:17 AM »
It's pointless arguing PoP, some people are too deep into Actherberg being a terrible GK coach that no matter what happens they won't change their minds. See Moreno, Lovren, Henderson, et al. This is the 1st time since he's been our GK coach that we have had a top class keeper instead of buying decent or promising ones and hoping they develop into world class ones

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1853 on: December 5, 2018, 10:45:51 AM »
Alisson is so good he has actually been teaching Achterberg that's why he is improving as a coach :D

“He leaves me very calm and relaxed on a day-to-day basis and we learn from each other’s work. I’ve pointed out some areas that contribute to his work and likewise he has helped me with things I can improve in on the pitch.

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/325286-alisson-liverpool-goalkeepers-achterberg

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1854 on: December 5, 2018, 10:53:39 AM »
the reason Jürgen Klopp wants him as the goalie coach and rates him so highly should be reason enough to think he's not a shit coach.

IT's so odd that people actually think he'd remain in the employment of this club so long if he was hopeless.  They invest so much in these players, why would they then give them a shit coach.
That`s true mate and I didn`t say he`s a shit coach, I just don`t believe his continuing form can be a reason to point the finger at people to say they were wrong.

A top class keeper starts playing behind a top class defence and carries on performing like a top class keeper, who knew!

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1855 on: December 5, 2018, 11:23:18 AM »
I fucking love this guy. He's just a marvel of a goalkeeper who has everything we need.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1856 on: December 5, 2018, 11:38:15 AM »
That`s true mate and I didn`t say he`s a shit coach, I just don`t believe his continuing form can be a reason to point the finger at people to say they were wrong.

A top class keeper starts playing behind a top class defence and carries on performing like a top class keeper, who knew!

I guess it's one of these situations where he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't!

Goalie is shit - his fault. Goalie is good - nothing to do with him.

Anyway sure he's not arsed  ;D  He's rated and respected by the only people that matter - his manager, his club bosses, his fellow coaches and his players.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1857 on: December 5, 2018, 12:25:38 PM »
They were good keepers, that is why we bought them. Unfortunately Achterberg failed to improve them. They actually regressed under his watch.
At this moment, Alisson is just continuing with his Roma and Brazil form. Achterberg has nothing to do with it! Klopp is not a fool, that is why he has recruited the former United goalkeeping coach.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1858 on: December 5, 2018, 12:48:26 PM »
Que?

Jack Robinson, they employed him earlier this year, he's the assistant goalie coach, works under Achterberg, and also works with the younger goalies. Definately not there to take over from John!
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1859 on: December 5, 2018, 12:49:49 PM »
Jack Robinson, they employed him earlier this year, he's the assistant goalie coach, works under Achterberg, and also works with the younger goalies. Definately not there to take over from John!

Ah missed that bit of news cheers.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1860 on: December 5, 2018, 12:54:12 PM »
Ah missed that bit of news cheers.

I think the previous poster was overstating is somewhat say he was the 'former United goalkeeping coach.' Like he was their first team goalie coach!

He actually came from the FA to Liverpool. He's only a young coach, early 30's I think. He was at Man Utd when he was very young, not sure what his role was there, I would guess maybe working with their younger goalies first and foremost.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1861 on: December 5, 2018, 01:02:56 PM »
I think the previous poster was overstating is somewhat say he was the 'former United goalkeeping coach.' Like he was their first team goalie coach!

He actually came from the FA to Liverpool. He's only a young coach, early 30's I think. He was at Man Utd when he was very young, not sure what his role was there, I would guess maybe working with their younger goalies first and foremost.

Hyperbole on Rawk? Well I never  ;D Seems he's more of a reserve team coach for us anyway.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1862 on: December 5, 2018, 02:58:01 PM »
This article is more about the struggles of previously elite keepers, like de Gea, Neuer and Courtois, but Alisson does get a mention. He’s actually improved over last season in shot stopping, although quality of shots doesn’t appear to be a factor.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2018/nov/29/europe-top-de-gea-courtois-ter-stegen-neuer?CMP

Edit: didn’t realize it’s a few days old and probably already discussed ;D

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1863 on: December 5, 2018, 09:36:26 PM »
That 3rd goal is all about him. Made the save then launched the counter.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1864 on: December 5, 2018, 09:37:02 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1865 on: December 5, 2018, 09:37:29 PM »
Brilliant tonight. Again, just brilliant.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1866 on: December 5, 2018, 09:38:29 PM »
He is astonishing.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1867 on: December 5, 2018, 09:38:30 PM »
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« Reply #1868 on: December 5, 2018, 09:38:54 PM »
What a man. What a keeper.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1869 on: December 5, 2018, 09:39:01 PM »
Unbelievable save.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1870 on: December 5, 2018, 09:39:16 PM »
What a fucking save.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1871 on: December 5, 2018, 09:39:22 PM »
Another huge save. And then the foresight to quickly clear it for the third goal.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1872 on: December 5, 2018, 09:39:25 PM »
The hunky pink clad bastard  ;D
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1873 on: December 5, 2018, 09:39:45 PM »
Big sexy brilliant bastard. Turns 2-2 to 1-3.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1874 on: December 5, 2018, 09:39:56 PM »
Brilliant at the death.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1875 on: December 5, 2018, 09:39:57 PM »
Worth his weight in gold. He has singlehandedly  kept us within sight of City

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« Reply #1876 on: December 5, 2018, 09:40:05 PM »
He even saved their goal- the fucking c*nt of a ref let it go even though they kicked the ball out of his two hands!!
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1877 on: December 5, 2018, 09:40:20 PM »
We have a goalkeeper.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1878 on: December 5, 2018, 09:40:35 PM »
This guy has made such a huge difference. He's won us points on his own this season rather than costing us them.
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« Reply #1879 on: December 5, 2018, 09:41:07 PM »
Best keeper in the league and I cant think of anyone better in Europe.... so best keeper in the world now  ;D