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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1800 on: December 3, 2018, 01:50:48 PM »
Maybe in future judge players on their arbitrary criteria that suit your agenda, or failing that short term form.

If they've got both then great.

Fixed that for ya.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1801 on: December 3, 2018, 02:27:30 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1802 on: December 3, 2018, 02:36:58 PM »
Fixed that for ya.

Bless your cotton socks. Horrible being wrong isn't it?
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1803 on: December 3, 2018, 02:45:50 PM »
Fixed that for ya.

I assume you were one of those idiots who supported Karius and bigged him up a bit when it looked like we were 'sticking' with him as first choice? Fool.
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1804 on: December 3, 2018, 02:52:25 PM »
Pickford is way better than him. Made that blunder against Leicester and hasn't looked convincing at all.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1805 on: December 3, 2018, 02:53:14 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1806 on: December 3, 2018, 03:01:03 PM »
I assume you were one of those idiots who supported Karius and bigged him up a bit when it looked like we were 'sticking' with him as first choice? Fool.

Do you forge your opinions based on what might happen, rather than what you think should? Would explain a lot.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1807 on: December 3, 2018, 03:07:23 PM »
Do you forge your opinions based on what might happen, rather than what you think should? Would explain a lot.

I think we should've signed Messi 10 years ago. And we should've signed Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta, stuck them all up with Gerrard behind Messi & Suarez (whom we did sign) and even hired the bald 'fraud' to knit them all into one system and blow away every team we played against till yesterday for 10 years.

Who are the fools who think about what might happen? That is what we should've done.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1808 on: December 3, 2018, 03:09:24 PM »
Do you forge your opinions on what it looks like might happen, rather than what you think should? Would explain a lot.

 ;D

You really should put me on ignore mate, I can guide you through how to do it if you want.

I think if you constantly slag a player off, and you're eventually right about it and we then replace said player with a much better one....there's still really not much there to be proud of. Much the same as with Jordan Henderson, I'd sooner stick up for him and eventually be wrong than constantly slate him and eventually be right. Nothing to do with forging opinions on what looks like might happen, probably more to do with having faith (maybe blind) in the manager and that if he's picking a certain player consistently then there's a reason that he's doing so. Alisson has made us look so much better, doesn't mean we have to go back and slate the lad he's replaced now he's left. There's been enough of it already, really not sure it needs to continue. One of them is looking about the best keeper in the league (maybe even world) in terms of form at the moment and the other looks like he's dropping clangers in Turkey.
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1809 on: December 3, 2018, 03:13:36 PM »
I think we should've signed Messi 10 years ago. And we should've signed Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta, stuck them all up with Gerrard behind Messi & Suarez (whom we did sign) and even hired the bald 'fraud' to knit them all into one system and blow away every team we played against till yesterday for 10 years.

Who are the fools who think about what might happen? That is what we should've done.

Posting while under the influence of drugs/drink is a very dangerous game.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1810 on: December 3, 2018, 03:14:20 PM »
Do you forge your opinions based on what might happen, rather than what you think should? Would explain a lot.

This makes for some good reading

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=339677.1400

I was put on ignore list by the resident expert for the audacity of wanting the club to upgrade a vital position  ;D

glad that Alisson has shut them all up though
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1811 on: December 3, 2018, 03:18:32 PM »
This makes for some good reading

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=339677.1400

I was put on ignore list by the resident expert for the audacity of wanting the club to upgrade a vital position  ;D

glad that Alisson has shut them all up though

Just a hint SlowRap...... people don't put you on ignore lists for your footballing opinions

And actually that page you posted and the one after should give you a pretty good indication of why they do! I read the whole two pages, seems to be a discussion about whether Karius mistakes in the CL Final were to do with being concussed :D What a bizarre thread to dig up, doesn't particularly shine a good light on you buddy.
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I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1812 on: December 3, 2018, 03:20:17 PM »
Coutinho money = VVD and Big 'Ali'

Excellent business :)

What's interesting is if Barca would prefer to have VVD and Alison over Phil, and i think the answer is yes.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1813 on: December 3, 2018, 03:37:56 PM »
Just a hint SlowRap...... people don't put you on ignore lists for your footballing opinions

And actually that page you posted and the one after should give you a pretty good indication of why they do! I read the whole two pages, seems to be a discussion about whether Karius mistakes in the CL Final were to do with being concussed :D What a bizarre thread to dig up, doesn't particularly shine a good light on you buddy.
you don't have much opinions on players anyway mostly other posters which is a weird fetish,

I was referring to this



and

Are there people that can never be wrong? No, so what point is it that you're making - I might be wrong on wanting the club to get a new keeper in? Of course, but like de facto keeps pointing out I don't make decisions at the club so you can a. ignore my opinion and not reply saving us both time b. present arguments to the contrary which we can debate and both learn from or c. understand that statistical analysis gets overridden by emotion in football all the time and even if you can prove with statistical facts that Karius is the bees knees in reality the emotional baggage he brings with him might mean that he isn't worth the risk when there's options of getting someone else in as good/better.
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I've got a feeling that Origi is the real deal, from a couple of games I watched but mainly his interviews there seems to be something about him.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1814 on: December 3, 2018, 03:39:35 PM »
Posting while under the influence of drugs/drink is a very dangerous game.

I don't know, I was just going along the lines of what you implied.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1815 on: December 3, 2018, 03:40:42 PM »
I don't know, I was just going along the lines of what you implied.

It's the time of year to build a snowman, not a strawman.  ;) ;D
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1816 on: December 3, 2018, 03:44:31 PM »
It's the time of year to build a snowman, not a strawman.  ;) ;D


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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1817 on: December 3, 2018, 05:54:55 PM »
14 league games in, more than enough time to see the impact of a coach on a player or set of players.

I think we can safely say that Achterberg was never the root cause of our goalkeeper problems.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1818 on: December 3, 2018, 07:15:11 PM »
14 league games in, more than enough time to see the impact of a coach on a player or set of players.

I think we can safely say that Achterberg was never the root cause of our goalkeeper problems.

While some people are getting a massive hard-on criticising Karius and/or about how right they were with their genius footballing insight, it's great to see you still fighting the fight for our much maligned goalkeeping coach.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1819 on: December 3, 2018, 09:33:49 PM »
14 league games in, more than enough time to see the impact of a coach on a player or set of players.

I think we can safely say that Achterberg was never the root cause of our goalkeeper problems.

You mean one of the most qualified goalkeeper coaches in the game with regards to coaching badges who is also highly respected by his peers wasn't the cause of our problems?!
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1820 on: December 3, 2018, 10:31:21 PM »
He's in Italy tonight, something to do with Roma. Anyone know what it is? Seems a long trek just before our game on Wednesday night. Or maybe I should shut the hell up and know that the club staff know much better about this than I do!
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1821 on: December 3, 2018, 11:24:33 PM »
You mean one of the most qualified goalkeeper coaches in the game with regards to coaching badges who is also highly respected by his peers wasn't the cause of our problems?!

Apparently not! :D
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1822 on: December 3, 2018, 11:53:08 PM »
He's in Italy tonight, something to do with Roma. Anyone know what it is? Seems a long trek just before our game on Wednesday night. Or maybe I should shut the hell up and know that the club staff know much better about this than I do!

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1823 on: December 3, 2018, 11:58:27 PM »
He's in Italy tonight, something to do with Roma. Anyone know what it is? Seems a long trek just before our game on Wednesday night. Or maybe I should shut the hell up and know that the club staff know much better about this than I do!

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1824 on: December 4, 2018, 10:40:40 AM »
Wait, Klopp and teammates call him ďAliĒ? I bet Salah came up with that one ;D

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1825 on: December 4, 2018, 10:49:56 AM »
I think we can safely say that Achterberg was never the root cause of our goalkeeper problems.
He could have advised the club not to buy Mignolet for all the fundamental flaws in his game. He was the biggest GK expert at the club at the time who by his own admission scouts all the keepers in the world which makes me believe he gets consulted when we buy keepers. So you can't absolve him of all of the blame regarding Mignolet fiasco.

With him it's not just the coaching.

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« Reply #1826 on: December 4, 2018, 10:56:39 AM »
He could have advised the club not to buy Mignolet for all the fundamental flaws in his game. He was the biggest GK expert at the club at the time who by his own admission scouts all the keepers in the world which makes me believe he gets consulted when we buy keepers. So you can't absolve him of all of the blame regarding Mignolet fiasco.

With him it's not just the coaching.

So you think he cant be absolved of the 'Mignolet fiasco' through your own utter guesswork that he is consulted about which keepers we sign, which no one has ever intimated is remotely true?  ;D
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1827 on: December 4, 2018, 11:01:19 AM »
So you think he cant be absolved of the 'Mignolet fiasco' through your own utter guesswork that he is consulted about which keepers we sign, which no one has ever intimated is remotely true?  ;D
Not gonna derail the thread any further however it's common knowledge he scouts the keepers, doubt he'd be doing that unless he was being consulted on our GK targets.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1828 on: December 4, 2018, 11:08:56 AM »
Most people rate his point blank save today the highest. For me, that was just a matter of making himself big and the rest was luck where the strike goes. I thought that his save at Walcott's feet was far more impressive. But who cares, three points won.

I thought the point blank one was great but yeah, the Walcott one I reckon most other keepers are conceding a pen/getting sent in that situation.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1829 on: December 4, 2018, 01:03:27 PM »
Not gonna derail the thread any further however it's common knowledge he scouts the keepers, doubt he'd be doing that unless he was being consulted on our GK targets.

He doesn't make the decision on who we buy, that comes down to Klopp. You seem hell bent on blaming him for something in regards to Mignolet based on sweet fck all. You don't know what conversations took place and what he may have said to Klopp in regards to Mignolet. His job is to work with the keepers, his job is not to sign keepers.

So unless you have some kind of substantial evidence that he advocated for Mignolet to be our keeper, you're talking utter tripe.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1830 on: December 4, 2018, 01:05:12 PM »
He doesn't make the decision on who we buy, that comes down to Klopp. You seem hell bent on blaming him for something in regards to Mignolet based on sweet fck all. You don't know what conversations took place and what he may have said to Klopp in regards to Mignolet. His job is to work with the keepers, his job is not to sign keepers.

So unless you have some kind of substantial evidence that he advocated for Mignolet to be our keeper, you're talking utter tripe.

Or even Brendan Rodgers ;)
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1831 on: December 4, 2018, 01:06:02 PM »
Or even Brendan Rodgers ;)

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1832 on: December 4, 2018, 01:06:11 PM »
or even BUVAC
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1833 on: December 4, 2018, 01:43:14 PM »
Pictures online of Alisson out with his missus in Rome. In the words of Larry David, he's got "character".


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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1834 on: December 4, 2018, 03:42:03 PM »
He could have advised the club not to buy Mignolet for all the fundamental flaws in his game. He was the biggest GK expert at the club at the time who by his own admission scouts all the keepers in the world which makes me believe he gets consulted when we buy keepers. So you can't absolve him of all of the blame regarding Mignolet fiasco.

With him it's not just the coaching.

And yet we nearly won the league that first season with Mignolet :D

But again - read what I said, because it wasn't ambiguous - Achterberg was never the ROOT cause of our keeper problems, as a lot of posters here always put forward.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1835 on: December 4, 2018, 03:45:39 PM »
I was wrong about Achterberg and wrong about not spending 75 million or whatever it was on this beautiful Brazilian bastard. Quickly becoming my favourite player, after Big Div of course, what a colossus he is.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1836 on: December 4, 2018, 06:21:53 PM »
Wait, Klopp and teammates call him ďAliĒ? I bet Salah came up with that one ;D

Saw an interview somewhere in which Robbo said he calls him "Big Ali," which... of course he does. But then I realized that Alisson, despite the fact that he seems to speak  good English, probably has no idea what Robbo is saying.

Just keep passing the ball to the pale, unintelligible boy on the left, you gorgeous keeper.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1837 on: December 4, 2018, 06:44:37 PM »
I don't see why Mignolet is getting criticism in here, he was a decent keeper albeit not an amazing one. Yeah, he made mistakes but so will every other keeper that plays the game. Not being as proactive as Karius or Alisson isn't really a criticism, just not really suited to the way Klopp wants to play. Good luck to him when he leaves, same for Karius.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1838 on: December 4, 2018, 07:23:43 PM »
Pictures online of Alisson out with his missus in Rome. In the words of Larry David, he's got "character".

Ah c'mon, she's attractive!

Not as attractive as him, but then, who is!?

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1839 on: December 4, 2018, 07:52:22 PM »
So we buy one of the best keepers in the world for nearly £70m, the player comes here and carries on playing like one of the best keepers in the world and that`s used as reason to show why people were wrong over Achterberg?


People may be wrong over Achterberg but I don`t see Becker`s form as a reason to prove this.