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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1600 on: November 13, 2018, 08:37:16 PM »
Throwing an object at the ball is a direct free kick. (Laws of the game). If it is in the area, that's a definite pen.

It is not. It depends if the keeper throws it or an outfield player throws it. the difference comes from the fact that any foreign object is considered "an extension of the arm" and the keeper can use his arms. An outfield player would also get a red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity, but the keeper would only get a yellow for unsporting behavior.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1601 on: November 13, 2018, 10:53:28 PM »
Are all players allowed to wear caps, or it's just the gk?
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1602 on: November 13, 2018, 10:59:21 PM »
It is not. It depends if the keeper throws it or an outfield player throws it. the difference comes from the fact that any foreign object is considered "an extension of the arm" and the keeper can use his arms. An outfield player would also get a red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity, but the keeper would only get a yellow for unsporting behavior.

What happens if a spectator throws it? Apparently a goal is given if there is a goal

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1603 on: November 13, 2018, 11:24:53 PM »
The other team would be awarded five runs.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1604 on: November 14, 2018, 02:17:43 AM »
What happens if a spectator throws it? Apparently a goal is given if there is a goal
The correct call would be a drop ball from the place of impact. That beach ball goal, if you have that in mind, should have never stood.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1605 on: November 14, 2018, 03:51:30 AM »
It is not. It depends if the keeper throws it or an outfield player throws it. the difference comes from the fact that any foreign object is considered "an extension of the arm" and the keeper can use his arms. An outfield player would also get a red card for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity, but the keeper would only get a yellow for unsporting behavior.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1606 on: November 14, 2018, 04:16:15 AM »
He is so calm that I barely see any facial expression from his face at all, which is perfect for a keeper.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1607 on: November 14, 2018, 06:36:16 AM »
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The very next page (p.122) discusses the offenses by goalkeepers and the correct calls. TLOTG does not specify the above situation, but it's covered in clinics. The goalkeepers are NOT punished the same way as an outfield players (your example), but by an "Indirect free kick from the position where the offence occurred".
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1608 on: November 14, 2018, 07:51:44 AM »
You can create thousands of hypothetical cases. No gk is going to throw a damn hat.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1609 on: November 14, 2018, 09:15:40 AM »
You can create thousands of hypothetical cases. No gk is going to throw a damn hat.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1610 on: November 14, 2018, 09:20:49 AM »
Are there any regulations about the size of the hat? What if he wore one which filled the entire goal and he just stood there with it on?

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1611 on: November 14, 2018, 09:27:44 AM »
What happens if a spectator throws it? Apparently a goal is given if there is a goal

I have imagined countless times being on the Anfield Road and running to tackle Demba Ba when he was running through on goal from the halfway line during that notorious match back in 2014.  >:(

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1612 on: November 14, 2018, 12:08:39 PM »
The very next page (p.122) discusses the offenses by goalkeepers and the correct calls. TLOTG does not specify the above situation, but it's covered in clinics. The goalkeepers are NOT punished the same way as an outfield players (your example), but by an "Indirect free kick from the position where the offence occurred".

Come off it. It is in black and white written into the laws of the game. Why on earth would goalies be allowed to chuck things at the ball, and why would something thrown be considered an extension of anything? You're suggesting that the refs are given advice to let keepers cheat in direct contravention of the established laws of the game.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1613 on: November 14, 2018, 12:11:40 PM »
Better than I thought he'd be. Long may it continue.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1614 on: November 14, 2018, 12:13:39 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1615 on: November 14, 2018, 12:35:51 PM »
He is so calm that I barely see any facial expression from his face at all, which is perfect for a keeper.

It's his beard that covers it.  :P

Ramses is a fine keeper.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1616 on: November 14, 2018, 02:44:43 PM »
I have imagined countless times being on the Anfield Road and running to tackle Demba Ba when he was running through on goal from the halfway line during that notorious match back in 2014.  >:(

You’d have had to have been bloody fast, he scored at the Kop end!

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1617 on: November 14, 2018, 02:51:43 PM »
Are there any regulations about the size of the hat? What if he wore one which filled the entire goal and he just stood there with it on?

Or the size of the keeper's hands?





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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1618 on: November 14, 2018, 04:52:34 PM »
At least by the stats he's on his way to possibly being more valuable than what we even paid for him - https://statsbomb.com/2018/11/how-are-kepa-and-alisson-settling-in-england/

Kepa on the other hand, not so much...

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1619 on: November 14, 2018, 05:23:00 PM »
Hopefully puts to bed the myth of the net negative effect of John Acheterberg, and switches it with the more accurate "we've been buying duff keepers that no coach could elevate beyond their limits"
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1620 on: November 14, 2018, 05:59:27 PM »
I have imagined countless times being on the Anfield Road and running to tackle Demba Ba when he was running through on goal from the halfway line during that notorious match back in 2014.  >:(

Yeh what would be the ruling if that had happened to prevent a goal? the spectator gets sent off and never allowed to another football match again? ;D

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1621 on: November 14, 2018, 06:31:50 PM »
Anyone notice how often he was warming up against Fulham during the game. Maybe he was cold but I don't remember previous goalies warming up that much!

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1622 on: November 14, 2018, 10:11:52 PM »
Anyone notice how often he was warming up against Fulham during the game. Maybe he was cold but I don't remember previous goalies warming up that much!
I didn't notice that, but then again I tend to not be paying much attention to our keeper unless the ball's near our area. On a slightly different note, my ex could tell you everything you could need to know about what Pepe got up to between the sticks for the full 90', she'd miss the whole game staring at his arse, used to do my head in  :D

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1623 on: November 14, 2018, 10:40:59 PM »
Did she ever come home smelling of BBQ?
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1624 on: November 14, 2018, 10:41:01 PM »
Anyone notice how often he was warming up against Fulham during the game. Maybe he was cold but I don't remember previous goalies warming up that much!

Wasn't there for Fulham but he's been doing that a lot against the dross. Was basically doing a yoga video during the Brighton game, before it even got cold out

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1625 on: November 14, 2018, 10:41:34 PM »
Statsbomb has a good article on how he's settling vs. Kepa so far.

https://statsbomb.com/2018/11/how-are-kepa-and-alisson-settling-in-england/

Alisson is performing above expectations in shot stopping, and leading the league in high pressure distributions.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1626 on: November 14, 2018, 10:51:23 PM »
Statsbomb has a good article on how he's settling vs. Kepa so far.

https://statsbomb.com/2018/11/how-are-kepa-and-alisson-settling-in-england/

Alisson is performing above expectations in shot stopping, and leading the league in high pressure distributions.

Pickford doesn't come out of that smelling of roses does he?

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« Reply #1627 on: November 14, 2018, 11:05:45 PM »
Pickford doesn't come out of that smelling of roses does he?

He also has trouble getting roses close enough to his nose to smell them, as his arms are too short
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1628 on: November 15, 2018, 12:45:17 AM »
Statsbomb has a good article on how he's settling vs. Kepa so far.

https://statsbomb.com/2018/11/how-are-kepa-and-alisson-settling-in-england/

Alisson is performing above expectations in shot stopping, and leading the league in high pressure distributions.

I posted this like 5 posts above yours and on the same page still....

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1629 on: November 15, 2018, 01:48:42 AM »
Statsbomb has a good article on how he's settling vs. Kepa so far.

https://statsbomb.com/2018/11/how-are-kepa-and-alisson-settling-in-england/

Alisson is performing above expectations in shot stopping, and leading the league in high pressure distributions.

Thanks for posting this!
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« Reply #1630 on: November 15, 2018, 01:59:38 AM »
Thanks for posting this!

I agree! I'm surprised someone hadn't posted this earlier!

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1631 on: November 15, 2018, 09:46:17 AM »
Hopefully puts to bed the myth of the net negative effect of John Acheterberg, and switches it with the more accurate "we've been buying duff keepers that no coach could elevate beyond their limits"

The Echo have just dropped an article of him praising Achterberg that is sure to trigger a lot of people.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1632 on: November 15, 2018, 11:05:15 AM »
Hopefully puts to bed the myth of the net negative effect of John Acheterberg, and switches it with the more accurate "we've been buying duff keepers that no coach could elevate beyond their limits"

Oh his biggest critics on here covered their bases nice and early stating if a keeper does well here it will be in spite of John :lmao

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« Reply #1633 on: November 15, 2018, 02:49:34 PM »
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« Reply #1634 on: November 15, 2018, 04:10:26 PM »
I wasn't a fervent critic of Achterberg but I did complain about him from time to time. Big enough to hold my hands up and say I was chatting utter utter shite  ;D

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1635 on: November 15, 2018, 06:19:10 PM »
Statsbomb has a good article on how he's settling vs. Kepa so far.

https://statsbomb.com/2018/11/how-are-kepa-and-alisson-settling-in-england/

Alisson is performing above expectations in shot stopping, and leading the league in high pressure distributions.
Cheers for this!

That puts into perspective how different City were/are with Hart and Ederson...

I wonder how would the error bars look on such a chart. Facing a small number of shots on target certainly affects the percentage of saves.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #1636 on: November 15, 2018, 07:05:40 PM »
What's that drink that he's always drinking? Looks like some sort of tea.
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« Reply #1637 on: November 15, 2018, 07:08:39 PM »
Cheers for this!

That puts into perspective how different City were/are with Hart and Ederson...

I wonder how would the error bars look on such a chart. Facing a small number of shots on target certainly affects the percentage of saves.

It does and it doesn't :D

As in - you can only save shots on target :)
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« Reply #1638 on: November 15, 2018, 07:09:18 PM »
What's that drink that he's always drinking? Looks like some sort of tea.

Didn't Suarez drink some form of Uruguayan super green tea, or something?

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« Reply #1639 on: November 15, 2018, 07:10:37 PM »
the Mate tea