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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15880 on: December 4, 2020, 03:05:15 pm »
Ok so the initial ballot was fairly well received but then why have over 1000 in the waiting list seemingly turned down the offer?

We say turned down, they probably didnt even know

No posts on the news section, no emails either. Got to keep checking the ticket site, imagine some people wont have chance at work or wouldn't think they'd have a chance being so low in the list

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15881 on: December 4, 2020, 03:09:02 pm »
Ok so the initial ballot was fairly well received but then why have over 1000 in the waiting list seemingly turned down the offer?

I know of two people who've bought in the last hour or so who didn't know until it was pointed out.

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« Reply #15882 on: December 4, 2020, 04:13:22 pm »
We say turned down, they probably didnt even know

No posts on the news section, no emails either. Got to keep checking the ticket site, imagine some people wont have chance at work or wouldn't think they'd have a chance being so low in the list
Good point mate

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15883 on: December 4, 2020, 04:13:39 pm »
Did it sell out finally? 2200 here haha

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« Reply #15884 on: December 4, 2020, 05:54:34 pm »
Did it sell out finally? 2200 here haha
So they've fucked up - who'd have believed it ?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15885 on: December 4, 2020, 06:29:15 pm »
Did it sell out finally? 2200 here haha

They've taken the game down but there's still 11 seats left

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15886 on: December 5, 2020, 10:10:55 am »
So they've fucked up - who'd have believed it ?
what?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15887 on: December 5, 2020, 05:52:24 pm »
At what point do we think the criteria may drop from 19/19 for members?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15888 on: December 5, 2020, 06:07:45 pm »
At what point do we think the criteria may drop from 19/19 for members?

When everyone on 19/19 has won a ballot or at least had chance to.

Will be a good while yet if 2000 remains the capacity figure

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« Reply #15889 on: December 5, 2020, 06:53:53 pm »
At what point do we think the criteria may drop from 19/19 for members?

Don’t think it will.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15890 on: December 5, 2020, 06:55:01 pm »
Don’t think it will.

Not until more than 4000 will be allowed in at least.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15891 on: December 5, 2020, 06:56:38 pm »
We’ve got 27000 season ticket holders never mind members with 19, I doubt they lower it until all of them are either in the ground or they’ve declined the option.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15892 on: December 5, 2020, 07:09:20 pm »
Reports are that the clubs want grounds to be up to a third full at some point this season and if that happens, and they don't extend those who can go to outside the Liverpool City Region they'll probably drop it to get more people into the ground. For every season ticket holder and member to be able to attend they'd need to extend it to outside the city region.

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Re: Members Sales
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15894 on: December 5, 2020, 07:38:22 pm »
Could be wrong but I thought I’d seen when they were looking at 25% Capacity that season tickets and 13+ members would be entered into a ballot and you’d get 1 in every 4 games.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15895 on: December 5, 2020, 08:36:13 pm »
what?
Sorry mate - thought you meant you were in at 2200 (with 2000 capacity) !   ;D

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15896 on: December 6, 2020, 06:05:15 pm »
Surely we can have the secret for the old ticket website now?
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« Reply #15897 on: December 6, 2020, 06:28:34 pm »
Have a safe and amazing time tonight all you lucky ballot winners, sing your hearts out for the champions and for all of us who can't be there.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15898 on: December 6, 2020, 07:07:02 pm »
Has anyone had any problems with Names not matching going into the ground? For example people who normally share a members card or season ticket.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15899 on: December 6, 2020, 07:08:33 pm »
All STs are in one name now so only that person can go atm - or that is my understanding
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15900 on: December 7, 2020, 01:04:03 pm »
I went last night, but ended up going to the ticket office and getting a paper ticket to get in, because my iphone 5 wouldn't except the bar code they send you after you purchase your ticket. I got there with plenty of time to get in but there wasn't many windows open and it took about 15 minutes to sort out so if your lucky enough to get a ticket for the next match and don't have an up to date phone get there early. Stewards and ticket office staff where fine and helpful no complaint's there.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15901 on: December 7, 2020, 02:22:21 pm »
Any info on Tottenham ballot? Don't want to miss this registration!
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15902 on: December 7, 2020, 02:26:41 pm »
I'll post up an explanation after Wolves game is played :D

Hi can you spill the beans on this now?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15903 on: December 7, 2020, 02:31:17 pm »
Anyone got an idea of numbers in terms of people who are able to apply for the ballots?

So the 2,000 that went last night can't go again until everyone else has had a go? I'm saving my ballot for the first game after Christmas, if successful I was just curious to see how long i'd be unable to go again

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15904 on: December 7, 2020, 02:58:15 pm »
Anyone got an idea of numbers in terms of people who are able to apply for the ballots?

So the 2,000 that went last night can't go again until everyone else has had a go? I'm saving my ballot for the first game after Christmas, if successful I was just curious to see how long i'd be unable to go again

I don’t think it’s ‘had a go’, I think it’s applied and been successful. If 100% of people who apply get to go to a game, the next game would presumably be open and if it doesn’t have 100% take up the process gets reset. So it’s possible that everyone gets back in quite quickly if people try and cherry pick and play a game of chicken.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15905 on: December 7, 2020, 07:37:27 pm »
How do we reckon European games are going to be allocated?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15906 on: December 7, 2020, 07:52:59 pm »
How do we reckon European games are going to be allocated?

Hopefully by February a few more are allowed in

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15907 on: December 7, 2020, 11:05:58 pm »
How do we reckon European games are going to be allocated?

Presumably on a similar basis for those with full European credits?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15908 on: December 8, 2020, 09:32:45 am »
Hi can you spill the beans on this now?

Will tonight when I am home from work :)

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« Reply #15909 on: December 8, 2020, 02:40:33 pm »
Changed things for the Spurs ballot. So now if you register as a group (with family members/people in your house) you will be successful or unsuccessful together.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15910 on: December 8, 2020, 03:09:00 pm »
How do we reckon European games are going to be allocated?

Hopefully those who have full European credits.  Probably still be locals only which is fair enough.

I'd hope that when things are back to some form of normality for the 21/22 season, they'll honour those people who were on the ACS scheme for the 19/20 Champions League, same for FA/League Cup.  PL might be a bit more difficult to do to please everyone tho.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15911 on: December 8, 2020, 04:14:17 pm »
Hopefully those who have full European credits.  Probably still be locals only which is fair enough.

I'd hope that when things are back to some form of normality for the 21/22 season, they'll honour those people who were on the ACS scheme for the 19/20 Champions League, same for FA/League Cup.  PL might be a bit more difficult to do to please everyone tho.
I'm happy to forgo the cups until we can get full stadiums again. I think they will honour the 19/20 season.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15912 on: December 8, 2020, 04:27:46 pm »
Hopefully those who have full European credits.  Probably still be locals only which is fair enough.

I'd hope that when things are back to some form of normality for the 21/22 season, they'll honour those people who were on the ACS scheme for the 19/20 Champions League, same for FA/League Cup.  PL might be a bit more difficult to do to please everyone tho.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15913 on: December 8, 2020, 05:16:31 pm »
Hopefully those who have full European credits.  Probably still be locals only which is fair enough.

I'd hope that when things are back to some form of normality for the 21/22 season, they'll honour those people who were on the ACS scheme for the 19/20 Champions League, same for FA/League Cup.  PL might be a bit more difficult to do to please everyone tho.

Hoping we get away first leg to push the home game back as possible, in hope that more allowed in and I get a chance.  Got full European credits for years but 18/19 missed the two free for all games due to luck.

I live only a few miles outside the Liverpool city region, so be gutted to qualify and not go with they use it for bigger attendances.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15914 on: December 8, 2020, 05:23:41 pm »
It would be interesting to see what they do for the European games. I’d assume if it was similar to the way the league tickets have been distributed, do you go to a last 16 home game to potentially miss a home semi final?? A lot of options to weigh up for anyone who’s eligible.

Personally, I’d take what I can get

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15915 on: December 8, 2020, 05:44:22 pm »
Hoping we get away first leg to push the home game back as possible, in hope that more allowed in and I get a chance.  Got full European credits for years but 18/19 missed the two free for all games due to luck.

I live only a few miles outside the Liverpool city region, so be gutted to qualify and not go with they use it for bigger attendances.

Guaranteed home second leg now we have won group which is good news

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15916 on: December 8, 2020, 05:55:26 pm »
I think I’ve come to terms with the fact I’m not going this season. I just hope, first of all, full crowds are back by next August and second of all, with no games counting as credits this season, they use the same criteria for 20/21 as they would have done normally had this never happened.

I did like the all scouse vibe the other night. Hopefully all lads on full credits get to at least a couple before the seasons end and they open it up to those outside Liverpool once they drop tiers

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« Reply #15917 on: December 8, 2020, 06:14:08 pm »
I think I’ve come to terms with the fact I’m not going this season. I just hope, first of all, full crowds are back by next August and second of all, with no games counting as credits this season, they use the same criteria for 20/21 as they would have done normally had this never happened.

I did like the all scouse vibe the other night. Hopefully all lads on full credits get to at least a couple before the seasons end and they open it up to those outside Liverpool once they drop tiers
D'you mean 21/22 there mate ? Agree with you though - should be.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15918 on: December 8, 2020, 06:15:01 pm »
Ok, so it’s been requested on here for months to finally reveal the ‘secrets’ of getting past the old ticket website queue and given there has now been a successful sale on the new site, now is probably the time to spill the beans on the method to the madness. I’m hoping this doesn’t come to bite me in the arse by switching back to the old system!

In short, there were several ‘times’ you could enter the pre-queue page and it would put you straight in when the ticket site/queue goes live at 8.15am.

I believe the algorithm for queue position was worked out based on the duration of the pre-queue being up, which for most games was 7.15am on the dot which allowed consistent entry. It was different for sales at 2pm where they may only have a 15 min pre-queue or on members bulk sales it was from 6.30am – I struggled with these ones due to the low frequency of them to do testing.

I work in IT and have access to a large quantity of devices. I use to just get as many in the queue as I could and hope for the best like most do, the reason these people are successful is because of the time it takes to open so many queue entries - they get lucky and catch one of the ‘times’, not due to sheer volume.

One morning I decided to open 1 unique queue entry every 60 seconds from the moment the pre-queue page went live. I had up-to 20 unique entries per device using different chrome ‘users’ I had setup on each PC (depending if it was my own device or a spare one ready to deploy to a user at work, one had 20 some had 4 etc), and what I found is that the first 6 were all over an hour in queue time, the 7th opened at 7.21am got in straight away. 7.22am had a 2-minute queue, 7.23am had around 10 minutes and the times slowly increased until it was back over an hour again. Personally I stuck at these times, but I also found there was a clear ‘opening’ at around the 7.38am mark too but due to having meetings 3 mornings a week between 7.30 and 8, I never explored this time more other than the occasion I mention below. These times stayed the same no matter on which device I was using, network connection or physical location (work or home if on holiday)

So 7.21am… to try and validate this I opened a tab every 30 seconds between 7.15 and 7.30, again the tab I opened around the 7.21 mark was first in, 7.21.30 was also straight in, and so was 7.22. 7.22.30 was a short wait, and then the wait time slowly went up again until over an hour. All entries before 7.21 were over an hour.

The sale after this was a local one and I didn’t require any tickets, so I did the same again but this time focused on finding the unique queue position in the HTML of the page and it confirmed that all entries before 7.21 were put right at the back, and after that they slowly increased again in queue position. I did this check twice myself during the season, and a close friend checked once and found the same results.

After this I wanted to do more digging on the 2nd ‘window’ which was around the 7.38 mark so the next sale when I didn’t have a meeting and didn’t require tickets I went back to the 60 second method. I found that 7.38 and 7.21 got in no queue, 7.39 and 7.22 had short queues of under 5 minutes, and both increased gradually minute by minute till over an hour was hit again. Looking at the HTML the queue positions for 7.22 and 7.39 were in the low hundreds, and as each minute increased (7.23, 7.24 – 7.40, 7.41 etc) the queue positions went up at a very similar rate, with never more than 500 positions separating them, even though they both entered precisely 17 minutes apart.

As the season went on and more and more entries were in the queue, the ‘window’ for getting in no queue shortened from being over a minute to more like 20-30 seconds. The window was slightly larger for the local sales with less people qualifying.

This proved the queue was not random and guaranteed I’d always get in in the additional sales (unless I was late for work :D) I kept my usual amount of sessions and opened them all between 7.18 until I run out, in case the pre-queue time holding page ever altered slightly and it also allowed me to get up to 5 browsers into the site with no queue meaning I could get up to 4 tickets on 5 different logins for people without sitting refreshing.

There’s some people on here who’ve messaged over the last 12 months who guessed it spot on to be down to pre-queue entry times, hopefully this explanation helps you understand how you got lucky!

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15919 on: December 8, 2020, 06:26:37 pm »
D'you mean 21/22 there mate ? Agree with you though - should be.

Haha yep