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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34160 on: September 11, 2019, 06:53:28 AM »
Isn't that strictly for the bedroom?

In the bedroom it's not him that's wearing it.

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« Reply #34161 on: September 11, 2019, 07:59:11 AM »
They seem a broken fan base. It was fun while they still had some hope of revival last year. This year it seems like they are just to downbeat. No fun in that. Need them to build up some hope of finishing top 4.
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« Reply #34162 on: September 11, 2019, 08:01:58 AM »
I’d have the same idiotic sentiment if Mourinho or Fergusen was their manager and someone suggested that we snap them up from united.

I think if Liverpool were absolutely shite and mid-table I’d probably accept one of the current top 2 managers in the world coming to us. Regardless of who they’d previously managed.

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« Reply #34163 on: September 11, 2019, 08:18:19 AM »
I think if Liverpool were absolutely shite and mid-table I’d probably accept one of the current top 2 managers in the world coming to us. Regardless of who they’d previously managed.

A lot depends on the manager - there was no way I would ever have accepted Mourinho coming to us and I know plenty of Mancs who felt the same, all said to me what I have always said, I couldn't stand him and didn't want him near our club. However, when it is someone like Klopp, you'd have to be mental to not want him managing you. When he was at Dortmund, it was more akin to a fantasy that we would ever get him.

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« Reply #34164 on: September 11, 2019, 08:23:03 AM »
A lot depends on the manager - there was no way I would ever have accepted Mourinho coming to us and I know plenty of Mancs who felt the same, all said to me what I have always said, I couldn't stand him and didn't want him near our club. However, when it is someone like Klopp, you'd have to be mental to not want him managing you. When he was at Dortmund, it was more akin to a fantasy that we would ever get him.

These lot are just bitter pricks.

I agree with Mourinho, as he isn’t a manager who will build up a club and leave it in a better state when he leaves as when he got there.

Klopp is exactly what they need imo. Well that and some decent decision making above the manager level. Their fans are idiots if they wouldn’t want him there.

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« Reply #34165 on: September 11, 2019, 09:28:05 AM »
Klopp is exactly what they need imo. Well that and some decent decision making above the manager level. Their fans are idiots if they wouldn’t want him there.

Unless they sort out their footballing structure above the manager and have a long term strategy then any manager would struggle.

Klopp is an unbelievable manager but at Mainz, Dortmund and Liverpool he's had club's with footballing structures around him that he could mould too and enhance. What we've seen from United over the last 5-6 seasons suggests that it wouldn' be the case.

It's why in some way I don't necessarily agree with people who think Mourinho is a spent force. I think he is on the decline but that was exaggerated by United's haphazard strategic approach. Not sure he'll ever return to the heights he once was but wouldn't be surprised to see Mourinho go somewhere and win league titles and even European trophies.

What I find interesting and amusing now is that United fans sound like we did for the most part between 1993 and 2017. They are having the same debates. Looking for those same easy solutions. That a new manager is the key. That one new player could make the difference. That getting rid of player X will sort everything out. They now have a fractured fanbase. One that can't rally around a legendary manager and/or a group of players they trust. Much harder being loyal or seeing the wood for the trees in that situation.

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« Reply #34166 on: September 11, 2019, 09:57:04 AM »
I guess the thing with clubs that Klopp has managed is the hierarchy at each club recognised they had a unique personality in the man, and if they backed him properly, he could literally bring the whole club together  - the players, the staff, the management and the fans.  Its a unique situation that when it does happen it just makes things easier, especially for the owners of these clubs. 

Utd however, are just a complete mess from top to bottom and Klopp to a degree would have had no success there, because the owners just don't seem interested in putting the right people in place from the top down.

He would have been wasted there.  Thank God our owners where smart enough to know with this man in charge, if they made a few changes behind the scenes, we could thrive, and we have.

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« Reply #34167 on: September 11, 2019, 11:30:10 AM »
I guess the thing with clubs that Klopp has managed is the hierarchy at each club recognised they had a unique personality in the man, and if they backed him properly, he could literally bring the whole club together  - the players, the staff, the management and the fans.  Its a unique situation that when it does happen it just makes things easier, especially for the owners of these clubs. 

Utd however, are just a complete mess from top to bottom and Klopp to a degree would have had no success there, because the owners just don't seem interested in putting the right people in place from the top down.

He would have been wasted there.  Thank God our owners where smart enough to know with this man in charge, if they made a few changes behind the scenes, we could thrive, and we have.
You have a point, but I think a good manager also shapes the organization. Good results and good relations give confidence and leverage within the organization, and I think someone like Klopp would have made sure within 1-2 years that Woodiewood would have minimal influence on the sports side. Remember, Klopp didn't get a huge budget on day 1 at Liverpool.

Mourinho wasted hundreds of millions on old players in decline and got into fights with lots of players - and I assume with key people inside the organization as well. He burns bridges wherever he goes. Scouting is also not his style, he prefers calling his agent friends.

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« Reply #34168 on: September 11, 2019, 03:04:45 PM »
A lot depends on the manager - there was no way I would ever have accepted Mourinho coming to us and I know plenty of Mancs who felt the same, all said to me what I have always said, I couldn't stand him and didn't want him near our club. However, when it is someone like Klopp, you'd have to be mental to not want him managing you. When he was at Dortmund, it was more akin to a fantasy that we would ever get him.

These lot are just bitter pricks.

My mate (the girl who is the really decent Everton fan) is married to a guy from down south who is a United fan. His dad was from Mancland, so he's following in his footsteps supporting them. He lives in Liverpool now but is an OT regular. I went to his 50th birthday party and after he'd had a few too many beers he was virtually in tears over the state his club and was practically begging for Mourinho to be appointed manager. The not so Special One was seen as a born winner. The only one who could come in and save them. I think despair has really set in now he came in and was a disaster. I've not had chance to speak to him about how he sees things now the managerial giant, Oleh, is at the wheel, though.

Regarding Klopp, there is not a single sane United fan that wouldn't want him as their manager. He is exactly who/what they need. He is rock solid proven, and one of the few truly elite managers in the world currently. The ones who pretend they wouldn't want him there are the ones who know full well they have no chance of getting him there anyway. It's all a bit like me declaring that I've rejected Kate Beckinsale, isn't it. I think I'll reject Demi Rose tomorrow too.

I'm 100% sure that United fans would welcome Klopp with open arms if they were ever in with the remotest chance of getting him. He's never offended them or took the piss out of them. I think he said something about Disneyland' in relation to them, but that's just a statement of fact. Disneyesque hype and pomp is their style. But no, he's not offended them to the point they'd hate seeing him there in the way that Mourinho offends everyone, and not least how he has offended us over the years with his lack of respect. They would also twist any Klopp move to them as a snub of Liverpool, and 'evidence' that he saw them as bigger. Their whole narrative on Klopp would change overnight.

The only club in the world who currently may not want Klopp is Abu Dhabi. Everyone else would move mountains for him. United fans would 100% love to have him. The only question is which percentage of them will admit it and which would not?
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« Reply #34169 on: September 11, 2019, 03:15:13 PM »
You have a point, but I think a good manager also shapes the organization. Good results and good relations give confidence and leverage within the organization, and I think someone like Klopp would have made sure within 1-2 years that Woodiewood would have minimal influence on the sports side. Remember, Klopp didn't get a huge budget on day 1 at Liverpool...

I agree with you there. United are an absolute shambles, but if he'd ever have gone there I think he'd have looked for assurances that he could have a big say in how things were structured before he put pen to paper. If he had that, I think he'd have turned things around there reasonably quickly. The Glazers seem to be pretty much clueless on football, and making money seems to be their game, but a successful United makes even more money for the Glazers, so they'd be more than happy for Klopp to have run the show. United are a club and fanbase pulling in all sorts of different directions at the moment, but Klopp would have United them all and brought a new focus they haven't had since Ferguson. The likes of Woodward wouldn't last too long under Klopp, I imagine.
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« Reply #34171 on: September 11, 2019, 04:13:05 PM »
just...wow

Where to start!

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« Reply #34173 on: September 11, 2019, 05:10:35 PM »


My missus, her family and all her mates hated Mourinho when he was at Chelsea, probably from that legging up the line with Porto and she was disgusted when they got him, she couldn't see why they went for him at all and she hated the football he churned out.

The Manc I work with wanted him and couldn't understand why I was pissing myself laughing when he got the job - I said he'll leave you in a bigger mess than you are now. Mind you, he is the one who dismissed me when I said the writing was on the wall for them back in about 2009/10 and thinks Rashford is quality, while I tell him he is shit, ;D

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34174 on: September 11, 2019, 05:21:04 PM »
My missus, her family and all her mates hated Mourinho when he was at Chelsea, probably from that legging up the line with Porto and she was disgusted when they got him, she couldn't see why they went for him at all and she hated the football he churned out.

The Manc I work with wanted him and couldn't understand why I was pissing myself laughing when he got the job - I said he'll leave you in a bigger mess than you are now. Mind you, he is the one who dismissed me when I said the writing was on the wall for them back in about 2009/10 and thinks Rashford is quality, while I tell him he is shit, ;D

You should go easy on him. He sounds like a simple soul  ;D
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« Reply #34175 on: September 11, 2019, 05:28:17 PM »
My mate (the girl who is the really decent Everton fan) is married to a guy from down south who is a United fan. His dad was from Mancland, so he's following in his footsteps supporting them. He lives in Liverpool now but is an OT regular. I went to his 50th birthday party and after he'd had a few too many beers he was virtually in tears over the state his club and was practically begging for Mourinho to be appointed manager. The not so Special One was seen as a born winner. The only one who could come in and save them. I think despair has really set in now he came in and was a disaster. I've not had chance to speak to him about how he sees things now the managerial giant, Oleh, is at the wheel, though.



Not sure he was a disaster. He certainly managed for the short-term (which, it be fair, is the only way to be in most of top level management, and is a trait throughout Mourinho's entire career), but in the 2 and a half seasons he managed United, they won a League Cup, a Europa League, and finished second. Not sure they'll be eyeing up those prospects for a fair while now.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34176 on: September 11, 2019, 07:04:40 PM »
In the bedroom it's not him that's wearing it.

...Aaaaand I've just made the super-sub connection in my own head and am now cursing this very post.

I'll admit, I hadn't thought too deeply about it (unlike some :P) but yes, agreed.
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« Reply #34177 on: September 11, 2019, 08:32:21 PM »
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« Reply #34178 on: September 11, 2019, 10:09:21 PM »
Not sure he was a disaster. He certainly managed for the short-term (which, it be fair, is the only way to be in most of top level management, and is a trait throughout Mourinho's entire career), but in the 2 and a half seasons he managed United, they won a League Cup, a Europa League, and finished second. Not sure they'll be eyeing up those prospects for a fair while now.

I agree, but I should have made my context clearer. In the grand scheme of things he did ok, at least early on. I was talking in the context of what they (or the ones who really wanted him) expected he'd bring them. I was listening to a United fan who believed he would be their saviour and put them back to where they used to be under Ferguson. In that context, and taking his tenure as a whole, he was disastrous. He also left them in a worse state than he found them. Most clubs would be very content with his trophy haul at OT, but he fell woefully short of the expectations that many had of him. This was a man who never tires of telling people how many titles and European Cups he's won. More than a few of them thought he was the man who was going to take them back to where they believe they belong.
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« Reply #34179 on: September 11, 2019, 10:28:14 PM »
"Scott McT is an undroppable midfield FORCE."

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« Reply #34180 on: September 11, 2019, 11:18:06 PM »
"Scott McT is an undroppable midfield FORCE."

May the force be with you, my son.

https://youtu.be/EKu7TYWNxqA

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« Reply #34181 on: September 12, 2019, 12:09:44 AM »
Tommy Mc’T wouldn’t even make our bench.

Oh, I don't know. I heard he got a decent grade in his Woodwork GCSE. Maybe he could repair it a bit?
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« Reply #34182 on: September 12, 2019, 01:19:40 AM »
"Scott McT is an undroppable midfield FORCE."

May the force be with you, my son.

https://youtu.be/EKu7TYWNxqA

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« Reply #34183 on: September 12, 2019, 03:10:50 AM »
I agree, but I should have made my context clearer. In the grand scheme of things he did ok, at least early on. I was talking in the context of what they (or the ones who really wanted him) expected he'd bring them. I was listening to a United fan who believed he would be their saviour and put them back to where they used to be under Ferguson. In that context, and taking his tenure as a whole, he was disastrous. He also left them in a worse state than he found them. Most clubs would be very content with his trophy haul at OT, but he fell woefully short of the expectations that many had of him. This was a man who never tires of telling people how many titles and European Cups he's won. More than a few of them thought he was the man who was going to take them back to where they believe they belong.

Oh yeah, in terms of United fan's expectations, it was a disaster. Mourinho can walk away from that period with a certain degree of smugness in his "success" there. But if he was supposed to put them back on top, they'd have been just as well hiring Limmy. ;D
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34184 on: September 12, 2019, 04:02:49 AM »
In the bedroom it's not him that's wearing it.

...Aaaaand I've just made the super-sub connection in my own head and am now cursing this very post.

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« Reply #34185 on: September 12, 2019, 06:17:56 AM »
Tommy Mc’T wouldn’t even make our bench.
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« Reply #34186 on: September 12, 2019, 07:14:15 AM »
In the bedroom it's not him that's wearing it.

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« Reply #34187 on: September 12, 2019, 07:28:20 AM »
I agree, but I should have made my context clearer. In the grand scheme of things he did ok, at least early on. I was talking in the context of what they (or the ones who really wanted him) expected he'd bring them. I was listening to a United fan who believed he would be their saviour and put them back to where they used to be under Ferguson. In that context, and taking his tenure as a whole, he was disastrous. He also left them in a worse state than he found them. Most clubs would be very content with his trophy haul at OT, but he fell woefully short of the expectations that many had of him. This was a man who never tires of telling people how many titles and European Cups he's won. More than a few of them thought he was the man who was going to take them back to where they believe they belong.

Agreed

He constantly looked for short fixes. Buying success was easy at Chelsea where all other clubs were do not have Chelsea riches and FFP hasn’t come into play.

However his time at Utd where City, Chelsea all had unlimited funds plus us who are on the up, he found shown himself to be what he truly is, an old school coach who is out of touch. A one trick pony.

He also turned every club he worked for into a toxic environment and an old age retirement home.

It is therefore no surprise no top clubs have gone for him a season after getting the sack. His days are over.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34188 on: September 12, 2019, 07:29:30 AM »
Would love to see him being interviewed by sky wearing a gimp mask.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34189 on: September 12, 2019, 07:45:16 AM »
Not sure he was a disaster. He certainly managed for the short-term (which, it be fair, is the only way to be in most of top level management, and is a trait throughout Mourinho's entire career), but in the 2 and a half seasons he managed United, they won a League Cup, a Europa League, and finished second. Not sure they'll be eyeing up those prospects for a fair while now.

In the Europa they had a pretty easy group and they played no-one of note in the knockouts. Luckily I missed the final as we were flying to America, only just seen the stats, I didn't realise they only had 33% possession and 6 shots, 4 on target, over the 90 minutes.
While they did knock Abu Dhabi out in the League Cup, their other opponents were Northampton, West Ham and Hull then Southampton in the final, who I seem to remember were the better team.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34190 on: September 12, 2019, 07:54:35 AM »
In the Europa they had a pretty easy group and they played no-one of note in the knockouts. Luckily I missed the final as we were flying to America, only just seen the stats, I didn't realise they only had 33% possession and 6 shots, 4 on target, over the 90 minutes.
While they did knock Abu Dhabi out in the League Cup, their other opponents were Northampton, West Ham and Hull then Southampton in the final, who I seem to remember were the better team.

We can't mock Northampton as an easy league cup fixture.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34191 on: September 12, 2019, 08:17:30 AM »
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34192 on: September 12, 2019, 08:38:55 AM »
We can't mock Northampton as an easy league cup fixture.

We can
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34194 on: September 12, 2019, 09:14:22 AM »
No, we can.

Losing to a team in a cup tie after putting out a shocking team managed by a shocking manager doesn’t mean we can’t go ‘thats an easy game for them’.
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34195 on: September 12, 2019, 10:40:04 AM »
Would love to see him being interviewed by sky wearing a gimp mask.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34196 on: September 12, 2019, 10:41:33 AM »
You can wear whatever you want while watching TV mate.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34197 on: September 12, 2019, 10:43:47 AM »
Is it a green and gold gimp mask?

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34198 on: September 12, 2019, 10:46:53 AM »
Is it a green and gold gimp mask?

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's Ol8 from Molde!" Pogba: An Enigma wrapped in a noodle.
« Reply #34199 on: September 12, 2019, 11:02:39 AM »
No such thing as an "easy" fixture for United anymore.  Whilst some teams will always be easier than others, they can't take any result for granted.  Even Everton can't be considered guaranteed points anymore, now that they've got a new blue boyfriend to bend over for.
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