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Re: Steven Gerrard
« Reply #720 on: September 8, 2019, 07:52:32 PM »
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Re: Steven Gerrard
« Reply #721 on: September 11, 2019, 04:22:32 PM »
Can't believe the amount of people who want him to manage us after Klopp. The mind boggles.

It'll take Lampard and Solskjaer failing for that noise to die down a bit.

We should always appoint the best manager we can get, Rafa was and Klopp was and they won us the CL after taking over average sides. Don't settle for mediocrity (Hodgson), a gamble (Rodgers) or romanticism (Gerrard). Settle for a proven top quality manager, or someone who has at leasty achieved something more noteworthy than getting promoted with Swansea or success in Scotland (unless it's winning titles with Aberdeen or something).
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Re: Steven Gerrard
« Reply #722 on: October 12, 2019, 04:00:48 PM »
Looked in the first half of the legends game like he could still play at a decent level. Garcia and Kurt too.

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Re: Steven Gerrard
« Reply #723 on: October 12, 2019, 05:55:46 PM »
Looked in the first half of the legends game like he could still play at a decent level. Garcia and Kurt too.
Thats because they were playing against players who are retired :D

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Re: Steven Gerrard
« Reply #724 on: October 12, 2019, 06:34:57 PM »
Looked in the first half of the legends game like he could still play at a decent level. Garcia and Kurt too.

If Garcia dyed his hair to get rid of the grey, he would look in almost better shape than when he played for us, not that he's the sort of man with an ego to do that. I had the pleasure to meet him two years ago and enjoyed a five minute conversation with him and my son, which left me more in awe of him then ever. As well as being a wonderful footballer, he's a decent human being with a great sense of humour.

As for Stevie, he's still got it and if he was okay with the shit being kicked out of him in every game would cut it in the SPL. Probably a good decision not to bother.

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Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #725 on: October 12, 2019, 08:49:01 PM »
Not sure many will agree, but having seen a few masterful touches from him in that friendly, it did make me think back on Gerrard leaving - and whether we let him go too early?

The season after he left, we finished 8th. I know he probably wouldn't have been able to adapt, with the loss of pace, to Klopp's pressing game - but it still feels a shame he didn't get at least a season playing under him.


Gerrard was 35 when Liverpool let him leave, without offering a renewed contract.

Pirlo played for Juventus until he was 36, I think?

Lampard played for Chelsea until he was 36, and then went on to play for a title challenging Man City team.

Scholes played for Man United, having come back from retirement, up to the age of 38.

Totti played for Roma until he was 40.


Could we have got another season or two out of our best ever player?

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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #726 on: October 12, 2019, 08:55:43 PM »
No, it was time.  As good as he was he was slipping to the point of impact sub.  That's no place for a player of Gerrard's character and lifelong contribution to a club.  Maybe in the past, but not these days.  It's a crying shame to think what Jurgen could have done with a peak Steven Gerrard, but their paths were not destined to cross.

I really hope if Stevie has ideas on managing Liverpool that he comes back in a coaching role to learn from the Master though.
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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #727 on: October 12, 2019, 08:56:53 PM »
No, was the right time, at the top

Lampard, Totti, Pirlo & Scholes were never fit to lace Gerrards boots so not sure why you're talking about any of them either

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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #728 on: October 12, 2019, 08:59:28 PM »
Your last three posts have been a nothing post about Gerrard and two posts about Gary Neville. Mmmmm.
One thing does need to be said: in the post-Benitez era, there was media-led clamour (but also some politicking going on at the club) to make the club more English; the idea being that the club had lost the very essence of what it means to be ‘Liverpool’. Guillem Ballague 18/11/10

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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #729 on: October 12, 2019, 09:36:52 PM »
No, it was time.  As good as he was he was slipping to the point of impact sub.  That's no place for a player of Gerrard's character and lifelong contribution to a club.  Maybe in the past, but not these days.  It's a crying shame to think what Jurgen could have done with a peak Steven Gerrard, but their paths were not destined to cross.

I really hope if Stevie has ideas on managing Liverpool that he comes back in a coaching role to learn from the Master though.
From memory, Gerrard didn't want to stay with reduced playing time. I agree with the OP that he could have been a great player to retain for a little bit longer, perhaps using him off the bench roughly the way we use Milner (as a midfielder) in a lot of games these days.
I think it's all worked out for us, mind.

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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #730 on: October 12, 2019, 09:44:14 PM »
He is a Manc and wants to talk about Gerrard and slipping!
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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #731 on: October 12, 2019, 09:50:13 PM »
The final few years must have been mentally draining for him. The Hodgson era, H&G mess, Torres/Alonso leaving, the end to the 13/14 season. He left at the right time.

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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #732 on: October 12, 2019, 10:20:20 PM »
I'd argue quality wise he probably left a year too late (although given how 13/14 finished, it's good that he didn't go out like that).
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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #733 on: October 12, 2019, 10:27:25 PM »
The final few years must have been mentally draining for him. The Hodgson era, H&G mess, Torres/Alonso leaving, the end to the 13/14 season. He left at the right time.

Defo. He'd been playing top level football for a long time and he wouldn't have the legs any more for a Klopp team. And much as I love him to pieces and his barnstorming greatness his tactical discipline sometimes took second place and I'm not sure Klopp would fancy that.

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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #734 on: October 12, 2019, 10:50:32 PM »
Definitely agree with his last few years here being mad. When you hold yourself to such a high standard of accountability as he did, I don't know how I'd ever have recovered after the climax of the 13/14 season. That said I thought he was very good that year and he'd done more than his fair share.

Even though the time was probably up, I'd have liked to have seen him stay on one more year, especially getting to (and losing) two cup finals. If that Sevilla game was his last, even turning 36, you could never have put it past him to turn up one last time and do something mad.
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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #735 on: October 12, 2019, 11:25:20 PM »
After he left, he only rarely displayed his incredible skills in MLS. Even that league was a bit too punishing on his body. He left us at the right time.

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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #736 on: October 12, 2019, 11:59:31 PM »
From memory, Gerrard didn't want to stay with reduced playing time. I agree with the OP that he could have been a great player to retain for a little bit longer, perhaps using him off the bench roughly the way we use Milner (as a midfielder) in a lot of games these days.
I think it's all worked out for us, mind.

Based on the opinion's of others there, it seems sensible to say that Gerrard himself knew his time was up, and was happy to move on for a pay day.  If he'd felt in his soul he still had something to give he would have tried to stick around - but not at the expense of a player trying to come through.  He knew where the future lay.
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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #737 on: October 13, 2019, 12:01:29 AM »
Such is Gerrard's quality that even when he's 50 and playing in testimonials you'd question if he should be playing professionally. But his body was shot much like Sturridge. Injuries, his all action style of play, and the number of games he racked up took their toll on his body. In the 13/14 season the players around him were carrying him physically and we were soft through the middle but no one else could do what he could do on the ball. I'm pretty sure he racked up a fair few assists from a deeper position. I think he timed his exit about right. Was an astonishing player in his prime.

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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #738 on: October 13, 2019, 12:32:22 AM »
After he left, he only rarely displayed his incredible skills in MLS. Even that league was a bit too punishing on his body. He left us at the right time.

This, exactly. He left at the perfect time.

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Re: Did Gerrard leave too soon?
« Reply #739 on: October 13, 2019, 06:19:04 PM »
No, it was time.  As good as he was he was slipping to the point of impact sub.  That's no place for a player of Gerrard's character and lifelong contribution to a club.  Maybe in the past, but not these days.  It's a crying shame to think what Jurgen could have done with a peak Steven Gerrard, but their paths were not destined to cross.

I really hope if Stevie has ideas on managing Liverpool that he comes back in a coaching role to learn from the Master though.

He didn't have the legs anymore towards the end and wasn't willing to sit on the bench like, say, Robson did towards the end at United. He would have been the perfect sub to come on but we couldn't keep starting him every week and he was a player who relied on his pace, power and energy which had deserted him. It'd have happened a fair bit earlier if Rodgers had the gravitas to phase him out the team.

Steven Gerrard anywhere near his pomp would complete this team perfectly though. He'd be like De Bruyne+ .
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Re: Steven Gerrard
« Reply #740 on: October 15, 2019, 10:25:30 PM »
https://www.football365.com/news/gerrard-wonders-whether-he-left-liverpool-a-year-too-early

Seems like Gerrard himself agrees with me anyway.

Al 666 - You think I'm a manc because I wanted Gerrard to stay a couple more years? You sound like a bloody genius mate. Bet you're well on top of all the conspiracy theories and whatnot.

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Re: Steven Gerrard
« Reply #741 on: October 16, 2019, 06:14:22 AM »
https://www.football365.com/news/gerrard-wonders-whether-he-left-liverpool-a-year-too-early

Seems like Gerrard himself agrees with me anyway.

Al 666 - You think I'm a manc because I wanted Gerrard to stay a couple more years? You sound like a bloody genius mate. Bet you're well on top of all the conspiracy theories and whatnot.

Gerrard left because he wasnt prepared to sit on the bench and start more sparingly when his legs had gone  If he would have accepted that then he did leave too early, otherwise he stayed a year too long.

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Re: Steven Gerrard
« Reply #742 on: October 16, 2019, 07:48:51 AM »
Gerrard, iirc, said that had he been offered a fledgling coaching role alongside bench-sitting he would have stayed. As he came back to coach the Under-18s that would seem to be true.