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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3200 on: January 6, 2021, 01:17:48 pm »
Great, some good news!!!!

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3201 on: January 6, 2021, 01:22:23 pm »
They mentioned on TAW yesterday how the whole dynamic of the Christmas period changed when he went down against WBA and I think they’re right. If Joel could just put a few games together to get us through this next stretch it could be the difference.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3202 on: January 6, 2021, 01:29:47 pm »
Let's hope Schlumberger can work miracles and get Matip fit to play at least 1 game a week. Hopefully they can work out whether these injuries are coming from things like stress or diet, and whether a different warmup or stretching could help minimise strains and pulls.

We have top guys involved, hope they can figure this out.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3203 on: January 6, 2021, 01:38:59 pm »
I could be wrong but havent his last two injuries been after he’s had a week off? It’s not like we overplayed him, sadly he’s just so injury prone that there is no way to manage him. I think when he’s fit enough we play him and hope for the best, not much else we can do.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3204 on: January 6, 2021, 01:52:13 pm »
Let's hope Schlumberger can work miracles and get Matip fit to play at least 1 game a week. Hopefully they can work out whether these injuries are coming from things like stress or diet, and whether a different warmup or stretching could help minimise strains and pulls.

We have top guys involved, hope they can figure this out.

Suspect Schlumberger will be our only Jan signing with a view to aiding VVD/Gomez's recovery and keeping Matip fit

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3205 on: January 6, 2021, 01:55:53 pm »
Good stuff.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3206 on: January 6, 2021, 01:59:57 pm »
Suspect Schlumberger will be our only Jan signing with a view to aiding VVD/Gomez's recovery and keeping Matip fit

Ridiculous if true.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3207 on: January 6, 2021, 03:14:03 pm »
I think the evidence is there to suggest he simply is one of those players who can't stay fit.

I think he's a fantastic player and would advocate keeping him around despite his issues, he's quality enough that in normal circumstances, if you can get 25 appearances a season out of him you keep him (as long as he's not on a wild contract).

As it is, with no Gomez or Van Dijk available to mitigate the sting when he's injured, he feels more of a risk than ever - and more of a risk not to use the transfer market and the current opportunities that are presenting themselves across Europe (mainly France).
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3208 on: January 6, 2021, 03:17:54 pm »
Pearce saying we’re hopeful Joel will be back for the Utd game. No doubt will be a huge boost if he is but how long can he stay fit for is always the worry.
fantastic news
if true keep fabinho, TAA and Robertson rested til sunday week
play thiago for one half on friday to get match fit
rest the front three
and lets have a full team raring to go against united

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3209 on: January 6, 2021, 03:51:55 pm »
fantastic news
if true keep fabinho, TAA and Robertson rested til sunday week
play thiago for one half on friday to get match fit
rest the front three
and lets have a full team raring to go against united

Wrong thread, but you haven't been paying attention if you think our players having nearly 2 weeks with no game is a good thing.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3210 on: January 6, 2021, 04:02:55 pm »
I still think him average but I must admit he is better than Williams and Phillips.

Are you referring to Matip?

Personally I'd argue that in terms of ability there's no question that Matip is a Top 5 centre back in this league. I understand people questioning his durability but in terms of ability I think he's right up there in that group below van Dijk.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3211 on: January 6, 2021, 04:05:48 pm »
Are you referring to Matip?

Personally I'd argue that in terms of ability there's no question that Matip is a Top 5 centre back in this league. I understand people questioning his durability but in terms of ability I think he's right up there in that group below van Dijk.

100% agree. There was a spell during the Kiev season where he was arguably the 3rd best in the league behind VVD and Laporte.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3212 on: January 6, 2021, 04:07:41 pm »
Matip is criminally underrated and his ability to get on the pitch consistently is at the root of that.

If he was more durable and elected to play for his country of birth - this guy would have 100+ Germany caps and a World Cup winner's medal.

Personally I think the guy is in the Top 10 Centre Halves in the world, if we're accounting for quality and durability isn't a factor.

Good in the air, good at one-on-ones, reasonably mobile, great passer, surprisingly effective dribbler, attacking threat at set-pieces... He's a great player.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3213 on: January 6, 2021, 04:26:14 pm »
Matip is criminally underrated and his ability to get on the pitch consistently is at the root of that.

If he was more durable and elected to play for his country of birth - this guy would have 100+ Germany caps and a World Cup winner's medal.

Personally I think the guy is in the Top 10 Centre Halves in the world, if we're accounting for quality and durability isn't a factor.

Good in the air, good at one-on-ones, reasonably mobile, great passer, surprisingly effective dribbler, attacking threat at set-pieces... He's a great player.

Most certainly.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3214 on: January 6, 2021, 04:27:47 pm »
If you think he's an average player, then you must be watching a different sport.


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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3215 on: January 6, 2021, 04:45:30 pm »
Average :lmao :lmao

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3216 on: January 6, 2021, 04:47:03 pm »
He is of average ability in comparison to our two other senior CBs who are of the same sort of level
Trent is pretty poor at free kicks. Said it for a long time. One decent free kick a few years ago and the commentators think he's Beckham

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3217 on: January 6, 2021, 04:48:23 pm »
He is of average ability in comparison to our two other senior CBs who are of the same sort of level
He isn't average even when compared to Van Dijk.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3218 on: January 6, 2021, 05:03:43 pm »
He isn't average even when compared to Van Dijk.

I believe that was the implication ;D
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3219 on: January 6, 2021, 05:04:20 pm »
He is of average ability in comparison to our two other senior CBs who are of the same sort of level

He's better than one of them

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« Reply #3220 on: January 6, 2021, 05:05:35 pm »
He is of average ability in comparison to our two other senior CBs who are of the same sort of level

Van Dijk is better, but I think matip is better than Gomez. Gomez is quicker, but Matip is better overall as a defender. Gomez however has a huge upside, so no slight on him.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3221 on: January 6, 2021, 05:08:38 pm »
I believe that was the implication ;D
Got it ;D
Thought it meant that they make him look average.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3222 on: January 6, 2021, 05:09:58 pm »
He's better than one of them

Matio and VVD would be my choice as the best pair. Gomez is fast but his aerial abilty and a tendency to be a bit rash need improving,

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3223 on: January 6, 2021, 05:36:16 pm »
Van Dijk is better, but I think matip is better than Gomez. Gomez is quicker, but Matip is better overall as a defender. Gomez however has a huge upside, so no slight on him.

Most of our assessments on Gomez come down to how good his partnership has been with VVD at times, his age and his potential high ceiling.

Both Gomez and Matip offer different things and do them well. I guess VVD is the best bits of both with virtual zero weaknesses, other than the tendency to get injured when assaulted by rivals!

Matip has still been one helluva signing, sometimes I wish we would've paid £30m+ as he probably would be rated higher amongst the fanbase and the media, in the same way that Maguire is seen as world classs cos Woody spunked £80m on him!

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« Reply #3224 on: January 6, 2021, 06:08:56 pm »
Got it ;D

Thought it meant that they make him look average.

Nah, three cracking players

And as unpopular as it often ended up being to say...Lovren was right up there as well
Trent is pretty poor at free kicks. Said it for a long time. One decent free kick a few years ago and the commentators think he's Beckham

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« Reply #3225 on: January 6, 2021, 06:22:05 pm »
Nah, three cracking players

And as unpopular as it often ended up being to say...Lovren was right up there as well

Yeah he was a good enough player to start in most games.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3226 on: January 6, 2021, 06:38:31 pm »
Hopefully he is fit to return against United, let's see how long he can stay fit or injury free this time.

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« Reply #3227 on: January 6, 2021, 06:40:37 pm »
agreed - we needed another CB while we had Dejan Lovren and then we sold him and I do believe he had a better injury/availability record than Matip. I still think him average but  I must admit he is better than Williams and Phillips.

Do we know when Matip is expected back ?
Any predictions?  For me he will probably be available for match selection after United game so 18 Jan  onwards

Matip is well above average and clearly better than Gomez all round. His short passing from the back is probably the best in the league for me.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3228 on: January 6, 2021, 06:44:11 pm »
Are you referring to Matip?

Personally I'd argue that in terms of ability there's no question that Matip is a Top 5 centre back in this league. I understand people questioning his durability but in terms of ability I think he's right up there in that group below van Dijk.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3229 on: January 6, 2021, 07:20:51 pm »
Hopefully he is fit to return against United, let's see how long he can stay fit or injury free this time.

Probably not very long.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3230 on: January 6, 2021, 07:46:41 pm »
Matip is criminally underrated and his ability to get on the pitch consistently is at the root of that.

If he was more durable and elected to play for his country of birth - this guy would have 100+ Germany caps and a World Cup winner's medal.

Personally I think the guy is in the Top 10 Centre Halves in the world, if we're accounting for quality and durability isn't a factor.

Good in the air, good at one-on-ones, reasonably mobile, great passer, surprisingly effective dribbler, attacking threat at set-pieces... He's a great player.

Great player when fit,  but its beyond his capabilities to get caps for Germany considering he played international football for Cameroon!

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« Reply #3231 on: January 6, 2021, 07:56:57 pm »
Great player when fit,  but its beyond his capabilities to get caps for Germany considering he played international football for Cameroon!

Well they guy you quoted literally said IF Matip opted to play for the country of BIRTH, he would have 100 plus caps for Germany [He was born in Bochum]  :D

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3232 on: January 6, 2021, 08:01:22 pm »
Sorry my bad!!distracted by watching crazy trump supporters storm Capitol Hill

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3233 on: January 6, 2021, 10:01:55 pm »
I really hope he is back for the United game.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3234 on: January 6, 2021, 11:08:25 pm »
agreed - we needed another CB while we had Dejan Lovren and then we sold him and I do believe he had a better injury/availability record than Matip. I still think him average but  I must admit he is better than Williams and Phillips.

Do we know when Matip is expected back ?
Any predictions?  For me he will probably be available for match selection after United game so 18 Jan  onwards

Injury prone ? Yes

Average? :lmao

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« Reply #3235 on: January 7, 2021, 01:57:00 am »
For the record again, Lovren wanted to leave the club for over a year now, as he wanted to play regularly. Klopp convinced him once, to stay for one more year. he did that, and then got his move well deservedly, as he didn't want to be 4th choice.

However he too had problems with injuries, it's why he lost his place to begin with in 2018/2019. In fact they both missed the same amount of games total from 18 to the end of last season.

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« Reply #3236 on: January 7, 2021, 02:20:43 am »
That period from before Madrid through the start of last season where he somehow managed to stay fit - I’d say his performances weren’t far off VVD level. He was one of the best players on the pitch in Madrid too.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3237 on: January 7, 2021, 10:40:46 am »
Injury prone ? Yes

Average? :lmao

Get a grip

Think he means Lovren?

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3238 on: January 7, 2021, 09:51:28 pm »
Think he means Lovren?

Yes i think he meant Lovren. Its still fucking stupid if he meant Lovren who is levels above being rated an average defender.

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3239 on: January 7, 2021, 10:08:36 pm »
In the 4-0 win against Barcelona he was imperious.

His timing is outstanding